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Quote Originally Posted by huria View Post
Pandora, I knew you will not answer because you have no answers, your book is corrupted and it is been corrupted to this day but you do not want to see the truth. It is all clear in this thread for true seeker of the truth.

'You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink'
you can't make the deaf hear, and you can't make the blind see.

Huria, I did not say I would not answer your questions.. You asked so many.. More than my three questions which you repeatedly ignore. In fact you have not answered any of my questions. This thread just seems to be a vehicle for your refutes. I confess I find your manner difficult, but that is my problem not yours.. :) So, as you have asked so many points I will answer them separately.. Or try to. I hope you will grant me the curtesy of choosing the order in which I answer.

You ask if we have original Manuscripts the answer is we have copies of the originals and many (hundreds) of them, The Jews made copies of the torah in Hebrew and the Greek Christians made copies of the Old Testament it's not unreasonable to assume the loss of original as the materials they were recorded on would not have lasted and long rotted. You have no reason or evidence to show that the oldest copies we have in existence today are faithful copies of the original autographs.. After all they believed they were dealing with Gods divine message.

Also we didn't have a Christian Uthman to burn all our original copies to come up with one standard version or translation... We can compare and contrast and make God given intelligent decisions what God was saying in context by looking up words in Greek or Hebrew etc etc, This is something you as Muslims cannot do. Uthman burned the original Qurans and he didn't use memory to reconstruct it... As historical accounts claim he used Hafsah’s copy of the original and after her death, her copy was destroyed. Now this said to have happened after Muhammad’s death.. so, why do you pick on the Scriptures that God sent before when Allah said he sent them and his word in unalterable? If the Bible is corrupted as you imply, then so the Quran is also open to this possibility.. Because at some point in its conception men were involved... So you ask me how can we know the Bible is the true inspired word of God but can you prove prefect preservation of the Quran, because of the actions of Uthman. At least we didn’t burn our copies... We still have them for reference. We take it on faith that God sent the Torah and Gospel.

The central Gospel message is consistent. Jesus died for our sin and He is the only way to God, because He is the word of God. We believe there is only one God and Jesus is His word. Jesus is the word God used to create all things.. even the Quran states He is a word from Allah “BE” which is a form of I am. That is why Jesus could say “before Abraham was I am” He is the “Be” God used to create all things including you. Jesus is the word of God not a partner of God. He is the word that is eternal and uncreated. He is not a messenger.. he is the message. Jesus forgave sin, and accepted worship. We are not stupid. He doesn’t have to say I am Divine. We know in our hearts that He is the word of God and God exalts His word above all his name. We don’t associate anyone with God. Mohammed never criticized the Bible... he respected it as from God..he may have criticised some Jews and Christians but never the Bible itself.

Mohammed had friends that could read, and he heard gospel stories via oral tradition..it's perfectly feasible that he heard stories this way such as the virgin birth... Which was only found in the New Testament.. This could have influenced his revelations. You take it on faith that his revelations ( the Quran ) were from Allah via Gabrielle. Yet you criticise Christians for having faith that God revealed His Word to us through ( the Bible ).. So we don’t need to know the last names of inspired men of God... Or even the names on the scribes who penned the words..Our faith is the substance of things hoped for and evidence of what we don’t see. If you took all the Bibles and the Quran's and threw them into the ocean.. (I hear this comparison often) you could reproduce the Quran from oral tradition. Well.. The Gods word is independent of the Bible.. His Word is etched on the hearts of believers.

Peace