Concept of salvation between Islam and Christianity

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شبكة الفرقان الإسلامية شبكة سبيل الإسلام شبكة كلمة سواء الدعوية منتديات حراس العقيدة
البشارة الإسلامية منتديات طريق الإيمان منتدى التوحيد مكتبة المهتدون
موقع الشيخ احمد ديدات تليفزيون الحقيقة شبكة برسوميات شبكة المسيح كلمة الله
غرفة الحوار الإسلامي المسيحي مكافح الشبهات شبكة الحقيقة الإسلامية موقع بشارة المسيح
شبكة البهائية فى الميزان شبكة الأحمدية فى الميزان مركز براهين شبكة ضد الإلحاد

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    That’s exactly what the death of Jesus was about, it wasn’t intended by the Jews to make a sacrifice or atonement so that Jesus takes away their sins, they were just looking to him as someone who shall destroy their leadership and positions and they wanted to get rid of him. So the whole action can be accounted as an atonement, but as murder crime, and this has nothing with what Jesus himself intended, because he is not the one who implemented the action, otherwise he would kill himself.
    you obviously have not read what Jesus had to say on the subject.

    Mark 10:32-34
    Taking the twelve disciples aside, Jesus once more began to describe everything that was about to happen to him in Jerusalem. "When we get to Jerusalem," he told them, "the Son of Man will be betrayed to the leading priests and the teachers of religious law. They will sentence him to die and hand him over to the Romans. They will mock him, spit on him, beat him with their whips, and kill him, but after three days he will rise again."

    Mark 10:43-45
    Whoever wants to be a leader among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first must be the slave of all. For even I, the Son of Man, came here not to be served but to serve others, and to give my life as a ransom for many."

    Mark 14:22-25
    As they were eating, Jesus took a loaf of bread and asked God's blessing on it. Then he broke it in pieces and gave it to the disciples, saying, "Take it, for this is my body." And he took a cup of wine and gave thanks to God for it. He gave it to them, and they all drank from it. And he said to them, "This is my blood, poured out for many, sealing the covenant between God and his people. I solemnly declare that I will not drink wine again until that day when I drink it new in the Kingdom of God."

    John 10:17-18
    "Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father."

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    you obviously have not read what Jesus had to say on the subject.
    Well, the point here is not about what Jesus said, but what the Jews intended to do. The Jews didn't try to murder Jesus as an atonement for their sins, but because he was taking away their leadership, otherwise you should look at the Pharisees who tried to murder Jesus in a better way and not to look at Judas as a traitor who betrayed Jesus, but as a man who helped achieving the salvation plan you believe in. That's my point, it's about the intention, the Jews didn't intend to make atonement for their sins by trying to kill Jesus, so the event of crucifixion cannot be considered as an achievement of the plan of salvation. And as I said above, the point is not what Jesus intended but what the Jews intended, otherwise it should have been that Jesus kill himself to achieve the salvation plan. As for what Jesus intended and the verses you quoted, you can see my article: "Did Jesus really die for our sins?".

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