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Quote Originally Posted by هشيم View Post
You can answer but not make excuses and say "I really don't understand why you are so hung up on a concept that makes no sense to you or you have any wish to understand." I did not asked you to explain Trinity, I heard about describing Trinity from Christians many times. But what I put are questions. I already knew and wrote "Of course Christians are going to explain what is (Trinity) is while turn blind eyes on such verses and avoid reasoning.", and my expectation was true.

Here are the questions again:

Why the angel did not mention (Trinity) only son? Did the (God and Holy Spirit) was with the (Son)? When the (Three) gathered and made (Trinity)?

No one can imagine God being a child!, it is impossible. We all know what child means: weak, needs help, feeding from his/her mother... How can this be God?


And if you like I have more.
Yes, I'm sure you have lots of questions in the same theme... Yet I feel you will not be happy with any answers I could give you. However, if it is answers you require then I shall do my utmost to comply.

You ask why did the Angel not mention the trinity... Why would it be expected? The annunciation of the birth it was not concerned with explaining the nature of God. It was concerned with the coming into the world of Jesus, as Christians believe the promised Messiah.
The Birth of Jesus Foretold in Luke 1:26-38


26 In the sixth month of Elizabeth’s pregnancy, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, 27 to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. 28 The angel went to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.”


29 Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. 30 But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”


34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”


35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. 36 Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be unable to conceive is in her sixth month. 37 For no word from God will ever fail.”


38 “I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May your word to me be fulfilled.” Then the angel left her.

We see in the above scripture Mary found favour with God, a holy son was to be born to her... To be called Son of God, and the Holy Spirit will come upon her to enable this to happen. We have the three elements of the trinity long before men had even thought of the concept. The trinity is a concept .. Not a physical thing. If you look at the message Gabriel brought to Mary the trinity concept is there.

You ask when did God, Jesus and the Spirit come together..

The three were never apart,

John 1
The Word Became Flesh


1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.


6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.


9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.


14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.


15 (John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’”) 16 Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

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From this I see ... God whose power is behind all there is and all we are, His word... Jesus ... By which God communicates His will to His creation. His Spirit... By which God works His will through us. Have existed for all eternity in unity and with one purpose.

You ask about God being child in Jesus.. Jesus was born of flesh, the means of His birth though miraculous never the less, He was flesh and blood body. As a flesh and blood being born a baby then obviously would have the same physical needs as any other. Yet does this in anyway detract from the greatness of God the Father? Does the fact Jesus as His word exists within the confines of humanity in any way lessens the Power of God? Why would you suppose this... Do you not see that God exists beyond the confines of time and place as we understand it. Christians believe that nothing is impossible with God we would never put limitations on His greatness by thinking that any manifestations that God chooses to communicate with us would in any way limit His greatness. God is constant, God is unchanging.

Now, I am certain you will see things very differently to I, and that is to be expected. I have answered your queries to the best of my ability as to my understanding. You must make of it as you will.

Peace.