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pandora
I am only in a dangerous position according to your belief... Not my own. How dare you imply I believe God had a wife or son or even partners. That is blasphemy and you are guilty of it not I. :( for that is your understanding not mine. Do not measure me my your own lack of understanding of my belief. What are you talking about my children???? My children only inherit my genes everything else is there own. Never place yourself on a par with Christ Jesus you as a sinful man / woman are not able to stand in His shoes.. There is no comparison. Without Christ you are dead in your sins. :(
I cannot accept Islam with all the inconsistencies it presents to me. I chose to put my trust and faith in God... Never in the opinions of men. Take your faith from priests??? What a statement..!! I take my faith from God alone I am nothing but Gods humble servant and all I am and all I do I do by His divine will. I feel here you are trying to convert me to believe as you do, shameful!! And I am sorry for that because it means dialogue must end and I have enjoyed talking with you. :(
i wish you well on your chosen path. Btw.. Would the moderator who deleted my post not care to offer an explanation as to the reason why. If it was in any way offensive to your sensibilities I will offer an apology as it is not my intention to cause offence. It can be by PM if I am allowed that facility or whatever.
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Dear Pandora,
1- Let me first thank you for your kind message. Of course you believe in the original sin and that Jesus ( peace be upon him ) came to die on the cross to forgive our sins. He is the Savior that will save us of our sins . Please, excuse me. The original sin is a big lie because there is no inherited sin. Do you think that this pure and innocent baby can be born with sin. Do you think that God ( the Beneficent and Merciful ) is so cruel and injustice (Heaven Forbid ) that he loads this pure baby the sin of his brother or his parents or his old father (Adam) .Does God have hard heart that he could not forgive Adam without the blood of the Messiah. Islam clearly holds to the idea of original innocence. Everyone is responsible for his own sin. The sin which he himself committed and God (praise be to him) is the Most Gracious, Most Merciful can easily forgive any person who repent to God and come back to him .We don't have to confess our sins to priests or monks but we call God directly without any intermediary because he hears and sees us whenever or wherever we can.
"13. Every man's fate we have fastened on His own neck: on the Day of Judgment we shall bring out for Him a scroll, which He will see spread open.
14. (it will be said to him:) "Read Thine (own) record: sufficient is Thy soul This Day to make out an account against thee."
15. Who receiveth guidance, receiveth it for His own benefit: who goeth astray doth so to His own loss: no bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another: nor would we visit with Our wrath until we had sent an apostle (to give warning) (17/13-15)."
2- If you read your book ,you will see that The Almighty God (the Beneficent and Merciful ) said the same thing that every one is responsible for his own sin and if he repented and came back to God He will forgive him soon . He does not need any blood or any Crucifixion :
The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.(Deu 24/16)
But I said unto their children in the wilderness, Walk ye not in the statutes of your fathers, neither observe their judgments, nor defile yourselves with their idols:( Eze 20/18)
And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the congregation? (Num 16/22)
Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. (Isa 55/7)
Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel? (Eze 33/11)
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.21But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. (Eze 18/20-21)
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. (Chr 2 7-14)
For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. (Math 6/14-15)
*** Where is the justice in the crucifixion of Christ. Where did Jesus say : I came to crucify on the cross ? Why did he cry saying Why has you forsaken me ? He was looking at heaven who did he talking to ?
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Apart from the fact the world is full of people of differing opinions and many like to express them. What to you defines a "Christian scholar"? Or even a "western scholar" and why do you believe their opinion is necessarily correct? Maybe because you believe it kind of proves your point. Well, it doesn't really. The first name you chose I have heard of Bishop David Jenkins I found an article that you may find of interest on "heretical vicars".. Being a vicar, at least in the Anglican Church does not mean that person is particularly holy, Right and always speaks truth.. They are but mortal men and like all other sinners will answer for their sins before God at the judgement. 
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