this is what I call muslims reading things how they wish them to be.. :) not that it matters what the Quran says in support of the Bible.. Because the Bible stands on its own authority. On this point it appears the Quran agrees with the Bible.. Scribes falsified teachings of the Torah with their own hands... In this respect it agrees with Prophet Jeremiah and his warnings on this exact point. That you choose to read it differently is not my problem. Obviously it suits your purpose to believe it means that the term "scripture" here applies to the Torah.. All the better to bolster your belief in the aledged claim of Biblical corruption.
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Interesting !
the universe's creator lived under the law of the Jews !
Yes exactly .. As a man, why would you assume differently.
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can you deny the fact that Jesus is
God ???
Have you been at this refuting lark for long? Because if so, I would have expected you to at least have a basic concept of how Christians view the nature of God.. Basically ... Christians believe that Jesus was both God and man. He had two natures. He was both divine and human at the same time. This teaching is known as the hypostatic union... And No.. You will not find the words "hypostatic union" mentioned in the Bible nor will you see the word "trinity".. However, that does not mean that both beliefs are supported by scripture. Anyway, hypostatic union means the coming together of two natures in one person. Therefore... since Jesus was a man ... though not only a man... and since he was made under the law and lower than the angels, it is natural to conclude that he would have someone that he would call God. That is God the Father.
You know Christianity teaches that God is a Trinity, God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. To say that Jesus Christ is God is almost like saying that he IS the Trinity that would make no sense. I know you are thinking the Trinity makes no sense.. But it's my belief and makes perfect sense. When Christians says that Jesus is God, we really mean that Jesus is divine in nature. Meaning Jesus shares the same divinity with the Father and Holy Spirit. As one God, His Word (Jesus) and His Spirit.
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also you think this evidence is not credible !
Jeremiah 23 : 36
And the burden of the LORD shall ye mention no more: for every man's word shall be his burden; for ye have
perverted the words of the living God, of the LORD of hosts our God.
Credible of what? Not I'm sure what you think it means. Jeremiah 23 deals with the matter of false prophets. Do you naively believe all men and women who claimed to be prophets were genuine prophets? The Lord knows the genuine from the false and The Lord gives mankind guidance to sort the genuine from the false.
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dragons are a fact or just a fiction ???
metaphorical or actual? Many times the Bible refers to Satan as a dragon.. I expect you are leading up to something else.. lol. ;)
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if only christians listened to God !
And if only they upheld [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to them from their Lord, they would have consumed [provision] from above them and from beneath their feet. Among them are a moderate community, but many of them - evil is that which they do.
the holy Qura'n 5 : 66
What makes you think we don't? Is the Quran referring to ALL Christians past and future here? Or just a selection who lived in the locality of prophet Mohammed at that time.
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maybe you think i'm like a bloody vimpire or an alien with a green skin :)
maybe i' am more humaneness than you !
Please don't swear it's not polite and not necessary. I think you are a regular guy... When it comes to who has the greater degree of humanity.. I am no judge. I would leave such judgement to God.
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i' said :
this was a question not a recognition.
the holy Qura'n admits the Torah falsification.
O People of the Scripture, why do you confuse the truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know [it]?
the holy Qura'n 3 : 71
please re-read carefully the Verses :
Among the Jews are those who distort words from their [proper] usages and say, "We hear and disobey" and "Hear but be not heard" and "Ra'ina," twisting their tongues and defaming the religion. And if they had said [instead], "We hear and obey" and "Wait for us [to understand]," it would have been better for them and more suitable. But Allah has cursed them for their disbelief, so they believe not, except for a few.
the holy Qura'n 4 : 46
So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allah ," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.
the holy Qura'n 2 : 79
I really think we have covered this from every which way and it would serve no purpose to keep repeating the same. You read it one way I read it another. Let's live with it... Draw a line and move on.
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And your Lord says, Call upon Me; I will respond to you.
And does he????
Originally Posted by *اسلامي عزي*
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