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هل اخطا القران في الانكار على احبار اليهود اتهامهم مريم الصديقة عليها السلام؟

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    افتراضي هل اخطا القران في الانكار على احبار اليهود اتهامهم مريم الصديقة عليها السلام؟

    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

    هذا موضوع لتوضيح ما يقوله اليهود لا اقل و لا اكثر و ليست فيه ادنى موافقة مني و العياذ بالله لما يقولون فمن طعن في المسيح عليه الصلاة و السلام او امه عليها السلام الطاهرة فقد كفر بالله عز وجل

    قال تعالى (( فَبِمَا نَقْضِهِم مِّيثَاقَهُمْ وَكُفْرِهِم بِآيَاتِ اللَّهِ وَقَتْلِهِمُ الْأَنبِيَاءَ بِغَيْرِ حَقٍّ وَقَوْلِهِمْ قُلُوبُنَا غُلْفٌ ۚ بَلْ طَبَعَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهَا بِكُفْرِهِمْ فَلَا يُؤْمِنُونَ إِلَّا قَلِيلًا (155) وَبِكُفْرِهِمْ وَقَوْلِهِمْ عَلَىٰ مَرْيَمَ بُهْتَانًا عَظِيمًا (156) وَقَوْلِهِمْ إِنَّا قَتَلْنَا الْمَسِيحَ عِيسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ وَمَا صَلَبُوهُ وَلَٰكِن شُبِّهَ لَهُمْ ۚ وَإِنَّ الَّذِينَ اخْتَلَفُوا فِيهِ لَفِي شَكٍّ مِّنْهُ ۚ مَا لَهُم بِهِ مِنْ عِلْمٍ إِلَّا اتِّبَاعَ الظَّنِّ ۚ وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ يَقِينًا (157) بَل رَّفَعَهُ اللَّهُ إِلَيْهِ ۚ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ عَزِيزًا حَكِيمًا (158))

    الاجابة على السؤال :
    لا و ذلك لان الادلة تشير و تؤكد انه منذ القرون الاولى للنصرانية كان احبار اليهود ينقلون هذه الفرية و نجد الادلة على ذلك في التالي

    1. الفيلسوف الوثني سيلس مثلا في القرن الثاني لما الف كتابا في الرد على النصارى و دعوة المسيح عليه الصلاة و السلام نقل هذه الفرية و كان اساس اعتماده على مصادر يهودية
    نقرا من كتاب ريموند براون the birth of the messiah الصفحة 535
    (( Although it has been claimed that this represents a form of the story of Jesus’s illegitimacy earlier than the one known to Celsus (which we are about to discus), it is more clearly dependent upon Matthew than is Celsus' story.
    *The anti-Christian work of Celsus, written ca, A.D. 177-180, drew upon Jewish sources; and in it we find a fully developed tale of Jesus birth which we may reconstruct as follows:
    It was Jesus himself who fabricated the story that he had been born of a virgin. In fact, however, his mother was a poor country woman who earned her living by spinning. She had been driven out by her car-penter-husband [tekton] when she was convicted of adultery with a soldier named Panthera." She then wandered about and secretly gave birth to Jesus. Later, because he was poot, Jesus hired himself out in Egypt where he became adept in magical powers. Puffed up by these, he claimed for himself the title of God.))





    2.اتهام الحبر الضال السفي شمعون بن عزاي من القرن الثاني
    نقرا من نفس المصدر السابق الصفحة 536
    (( The evidence cited in the previous paragraph represents a Christian re port of Jewish polemics; such counter polemic is not always trustworthy, But in this instance we have substantiation from Jewish writings which refer to Jesus as "the son of Panthers" (Jeshu ben Panters) and place this designation in the mouths of rabbis of the Tannaitic period (in particular of the early second century A.D.).° While this designation does not necessarily mark Jesus as illegitimate (Pantera could be a family name), one is hard-pressed to dissociate the name from Origen's report of a Jewish story about adultery between Mary and Panthera. A rabbi of the early second century, Simeon ben Azzai is said (Mishnah Jebamoth 4:13) to have found in Jerusalem a genealogy, seemingly dating from the period before A.D. 70, in which it was stated: "So-and-so is illegitimate, born of a married woman." Since Jews in fear of Christian persecution became very circumspect about making derogatory references to Jesus, the "So-and-so" has been thought to stand for Jesus; and this has been called "the earliest authenticated passage ascribing illegitimate birth to Jesus." However, there is no way to be certain that the passage did originally refer to Jesus.10))



    وقد انتشر هذا حتى في الاعمال الابوكريفية المسيحية التي جاءت كردة فعل تجاه اتهامات اليهود مثال ذلك في سفر اعمال بيلاطس الابوكريفي (قرن رابع ) فانه يذكر قصة طعن اليهود بنسب المسيح عليه الصلاة و السلام (و حاشاه) من قبل بعض اليهود امام بيلاطس ثم شهادة 12 فردا من اليهود ببراءة مريم عليها السلام
    النص من الاصحاح الاول من سفر اعمال بيلاطس الابوكريفي
    4 Pilate then calling Jesus, said, thou hast heard what they testify against thee, and makest no answer?
    5 Jesus replied, If they had not a power of speaking, they could not have spoke; but because every one has the command of his own tongue, to speak both good and bad, let him look to it.
    6 But the elders of the Jews answered, and said to Jesus, What shall we look to?
    7 In the first place, we know this concerning thee, that thou wast born through fornication; secondly, that upon the account of thy birth the infants were slain in Bethlehem; thirdly, that thy father and mother Mary fled into Egypt, because they could not trust their own people.
    8 Some of the Jews who stood by spake more favourably, We cannot say that he was born through fornication; but we know that his mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, and so he was not born through fornication.
    9 Then said Pilate to the Jews who affirmed him to be born through fornication, This your account is not true, seeing there was a betrothment, as they testify who are of your own nation.
    10 Annas and Caiaphas spake to Pilate, All this multitude of people is to be regarded, who cry out, that he was born through fornication, and is a conjuror; but they who deny him to be born through fornication, are his proselytes and disciples.
    11 Pilate answered Annas and Caiaphas, Who are the proselytes? They answered, They are those who are the children of Pagans, and are not become Jews, but followers of him.
    12 Then replied Eleazer, and Asterius, and Antonius, and James, Caras and Samuel, Isaac and Phinees, Crispus and Agrippa, Annas and Judas, We are not proselytes, but children of Jews, and speak the truth, and were present when Mary was betrothed.
    13 Then Pilate addressing himself to the twelve men who spake this, said to them, I conjure you by the life of Cوsar, that ye faithfully declare whether he was born through fornication, and those things be true which ye have related.
    14 They answered Pilate, We have a law, whereby we are forbid to swear, it being a sin: Let them swear by the life of Cوsar that it is not as we have said, and we will be contented to be put to death.
    15 Then said Annas and Caiaphas to Pilate, Those twelve men will not believe that we know him to be basely born, and to be a conjuror, although he pretends that he is the son of God, and a king: 2 which we are so far from believing, that we tremble to hear.
    16 Then Pilate commanded every one to go out except the twelve men who said he was not born through fornication, and Jesus to withdraw to a distance, and said to them, Why have the Jews a mind to kill Jesus?
    17 They answered him, They are angry because he wrought cures on the Sabbath day. Pilate said, Will they kill him for good work? 1 They say unto him, Yes, Sir.
    https://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/lbob/lbob10.htm

    وهذا يدل على ان النصارى في القرن الرابع كانوا على علم بمقولة اليهود و اتهامهم الكاذب

    3. الاشارة على ذلك في انجيل يوحنا 8:41
    41 أَنْتُمْ تَعْمَلُونَ أَعْمَالَ أَبِيكُمْ». فَقَالُوا لَهُ: «إِنَّنَا لَمْ نُولَدْ مِنْ زِنًا. لَنَا أَبٌ وَاحِدٌ وَهُوَ اللهُ»

    يرى بعض النقاد ان هنا اشارة من اليهود الى اتهامهم مريم عليها السلام و حاستها
    نقرا من نفس كتاب ريموند براون وان كان هو بنفسه لا يرى دليلا كافيا في هذا العدد
    This causes "the Jews" to protest: "We were not born illegitimate. We have but one father, God Himself* (8:41). Knowing the allusive character of the Johannine discourse, many have seen here an ad hominem argument against Jesus. He has been talking about his heavenly Father and about their real father, but were there not rumors about his own birth? The Jews may be saying, "We were not born illegitimate, but you were." The emphatic use of the Greek pronoun "We" allows that in-terpretation. Wead? would see the possibility of an ironic hint to the same effect earlier in the chapter (vs. 19), where, in response to a statement of Jesus about his (heavenly) Father, the Jews ask, "Where is this 'father' of yours?" Since illegitimacy and true fatherhood are a concern in John 8, the hint of a Jewish charge of illegitimacy is more plausible here than in Mark 6:3.
    Yet, the charge is far from certain, Thus, as a result of studying both the later and tho earlor evidence, I would have to judge tat so simply do may later and the til fortist chargs of legitmaey, which appears dead yo know whet century, had a source independent hi the intancy namath. tactition- a source that would help to and implicito tical the chronog of an early birth supposed by Matthew and (implicitly) by Luke.





    نقرا من كتاب شرح انجيل يوحنا لكيرلس عامود الدين - البابا كيرلس الأول (عامود الدين) الصفحة 573


    و نقرا من كتاب تفسير العهد الجديد لوليم باركلي الصفحة 63


    و نقرا من تفسير ديفيد جوزك :
    (( a. We were not born of fornication: As previously in John 8:19, they again insulted the parentage of Jesus, calling Him an illegitimate child. The implication was, “We were not born of fornication, but we don’t know about You, Jesus.” i. “While John does not speak directly of the virgin birth, there may be hints that he knew of it and that some of the people knew that there was a mystery surrounding Jesus’ origin.” (Tenney))
    https://enduringword.com/bible-commentary/john-8/

    و نضع لكم الان شهادة العالم النصراني جوش ماكدويل في كتابه ثقتي في السيد المسيح الصفحة 32 (صورتان في الاسفل ) و الصفحة 33 (صورة واحدة)







    وصلى الله على سيدنا محمد و على اله وصحبه وسلم
    التعديل الأخير تم بواسطة محمد سني 1989 ; 16-11-2023 الساعة 06:17 PM
    نقره لتكبير أو تصغير الصورة ونقرتين لعرض الصورة في صفحة مستقلة بحجمها الطبيعي

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