The forgotten person in the trinity : The Holy Spirit

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    Christians theologians assure us that the members of the trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit } are co-equal. However, when we read the New Testament, a somewhat different picture emerges. We find that both the father, and the son mentioned together frequently but the mention of the holy spirit is ignored, like it doesn’t even exist , if they are co-equal, shouldn’t he be mentioned with them equally?


    Shall we see some example?


    "Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord". 1 Timothy 1:2


    "To Timothy, my dearly beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord". 2 Timothy 1:2



    Why has Paul left out The Holy Spirit of these greetings??


    It is clear that Paul doesn't consider the Holy Spirit as a deity.

    "That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ". 1 John 1:3


    Why did Paul mention Fellowship with God the Father and the Son, and neglect to mention the Holy spirit ( don't we agree that no one should be left out? )

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    " Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son". 1 John 2:22
    " Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also." 1 John 2:23



    Paul doesn’t tell us the consequences of denying the Holy Spirit? Even though blasphemy against, the Holy Spirit is unforgivable



    "Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the
    beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father". 1 John 2:24

    No Holy Spirit?


    We understand who ever loves the Father must also love his Son but how about the Holy Spirit? Isn’t that bias against him?


    Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. 2 John 1:3

    Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father, and from Jesus, and nothing from the Holy Spirit?

    "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son". 2 John 1:9



    If you hold firmly to what you were taught, both the Father, and the Son will be with you. How about the Holy Spirit, and why isn't he mentioned here?

    "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him". Luke 10:22



    Look at the verse no one know who the Father is except the Son, which means the holy spirit doesn't know the father , because if he knows him the verse would have said “the Father is except the Son, and the Holy Spirit”


    Isn't that logical?


    "No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten ,Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him". John 1:18

    Which means, the Holy Spirit never seen the father, let alone recognize him . If you tell me that the Father is the Son, and he is the Holy Spirit that will be Sabellianism heresy.

    " The Father loves the Son and has placed everything in his hands". John 3:35

    Does this mean, that the Holy Spirit own nothing, as the Father placed everything in the hand of the Son, how is he a God then?



    Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. John 5:19



    Can the Holy Spirit do anything by himself or he needs the orders from the Father?

    For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed.5:20

    Why does the Son get special treatment? Why doesn't the father tell us that he loves the Holy Spirit ,and he will show him great amazing things too?

    " that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him". John 5:23



    How about honoring the Holy Spirit? Isn't he co-equal with them? This is really not fair!!!

    "For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself". John 5:26



    I want to find one verse where that Father gave something to the Holy Spirit, it seems only the Son gets everything.

    After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:
    “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you" John 17

    The Father glorifies the Son, the Son glorifies the Father, and no mention of the holy spirit.

    Do you now believe me, when I say the Holy Spirit is the forgotten one?


    This thread is translated from this original thread in Arabic
    Last edited by huria; 23-08-2014 at 09:09 PM.

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The forgotten person in the trinity : The Holy Spirit

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