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pandora
Yes I did say that.. And I stand by my words. Please read Mark 6:3 and note the context.. The writers of the Gospels do not answer for the recording of the accounts of others committing such calumny. The sin is not theirs and we answer for our OWN sins.
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A Prophet Without Honour~
6 Jesus left there and went to his hometown, accompanied by his disciples. 2 When the Sabbath came, he began to teach in the synagogue, and many who heard him were amazed.
“Where did this man get these things?” they asked. “What’s this wisdom that has been given him? What are these remarkable miracles he is performing? 3 Isn’t this the carpenter? Isn’t this Mary’s son and the brother of James, Joseph, Judas and Simon? Aren’t his sisters here with us?” And they took offense at him.
4 Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own town, among his relatives and in his own home.” 5 He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them. 6 He was amazed at their lack of faith.
The people referring to Jesus as Son of Mary in this verse are NOT Christians ..that is followers of Christ. They are the Jews that did not believe Jesus was who He claimed to be the Messiah. THEY TOOK OFFENCE AT HIM.. They questioned His credentials as a prophet and His ability to perform miracles. In other words they scoffed at Him.
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I encourage you to read your book more.. Does the Quran in fact claim that someone can bear the sins of another?
They will bear their own burdens in full on the Day of Resurrection, and also of the burdens of those whom they misled without knowledge. Evil indeed is that which they shall bear! (Qur'an 16:25,)
And verily, they shall bear their own loads, and other loads besides their own, and verily, they shall be questioned on the Day of Resurrection about that which they used to fabricate. (Qur'an 29:13)
These verses on the face of it look as if some sinners will not only bear their own sins but also the sins of those they have wronged.
No one is saying that God does not forgive the repentant sinner.. It's quite clear from scripture He does, however God dictates the terms and makes the rules. The Bible clearly states that there is a penalty that has to be paid for sin.. All the Old Testament prophets teach this, so I don't know what prophets you are thinking of! Just as you pay in society for a crime you commit against it.. And are punished.. And pay a price weather it be a fine or incarceration or worse.. Gods justice is the same.. However, we understand that His divine justice is tempered by His love and mercy for His creation.
Peace to you.
Still jesus peace be upon him did not deny the response :
4 Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own town, among his relatives and in his own home.” 5 He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them. 6 He was amazed at their lack of faith.
There is nothing in this context that suggests that jesus peace be upon him denied what they said about him being the son of Mary
You obviously do not deny that he had brother and sisters so why deny this ???
Second nothing in the quran verses state what you claim . You obviously just copy and paste without reading :
That they may bear their own burdens in full on the Day of Resurrection and some of the burdens of those whom they misguide without knowledge. Unquestionably, evil is that which they bear.
OF THOSE WHOM THEY MISGUIDE
If somebody preaches false teachings or tries to overthrow the message of god say like Pharoah he will bear both his sins and the sins of those who did not believe moses peace be upon him but that does not mean that his followers are without sins rather their sins are shared by them and pharoh , example from the Quran :
And We did certainly send Moses with Our signs and a clear authority
To Pharaoh and his establishment, but they followed the command of Pharaoh, and the command of Pharaoh was not [at all] discerning.
He will precede his people on the Day of Resurrection and lead them into the Fire; and wretched is the place to which they are led.
And they were followed in this [world] with a curse and on the Day of Resurrection. And wretched is the gift which is given.
Surah hud verses : 96-99
Another example more clearly :
And [mention] when they will argue within the Fire, and the weak will say to those who had been arrogant, "Indeed, we were [only] your followers, so will you relieve us of a share of the Fire?"
Those who had been arrogant will say, "Indeed, all [of us] are in it. Indeed, Allah has judged between the servants."
Surah gafir verses 47-48
The difference between us is that we say that those whom have misled the people will share the sins with those of whom they have misled and are BOTH condemed
You claim that god sent his son (whom have not committed a sin ) to bear the sins of others (whom he has preached to the way of god) because humanity's father has sinned and that sin is inheritted !!!!!
THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE
AS for the other verse this either proves to me that you intentionally ommitted the verse from its context or you know nothing about the quran here is the context of the verse :
And those who disbelieve say to those who believe, "Follow our way, and we will carry your sins." But they will not carry anything of their sins. Indeed, they are liars.
But they will surely carry their [own] burdens and [other] burdens along with their burdens, and they will surely be questioned on the Day of Resurrection about what they used to invent.
Quran 29:12-13
The verse 12 proves that no body takes the burdon of others its a PAGAN idea
The verse 13 was talking about the current and their own FUTURE sins which they will carry
As for your last part it totally dismisses what is said in the old testement in fact you did not answer what I quoted for you :
20 The person who sins is the one who will die. A son will not suffer for his father’s iniquity, and a father will not suffer for his son’s iniquity; the righteous person will be judged according to his righteousness, and the wicked person according to his wickedness.
Ezekiel 18 :20
2. God can forgive the sin of others if they repent :
10 When God saw their actions—they turned from their evil way of living!—God relented concerning the judgment he had threatened them with and he did not destroy them.
Jonah 3:10
I incourage you to read your book more
peace be with you
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