عضو شرفي
no one of themQuoteThere are 4 Injils. Which one do you need?
I need the enjel of jesus
لا أريد الانحيل وفقا لمتى او يوحنا او مرقص
انا أريد انجيل عيسى
حتى هذه الكتب المسماه انجيل متى ويوحنا ليست حتى من كتابه متى ولا يوحنا
انا اريد انجيل عيسى
جاوبنى على هذا السؤال ثم ندخل على الصلب التى استشهدت بها
لقد حاولوا أن يقنعونا بأن ندير لهم خدنا الأيمن إن ضربونا على الأيسر .. وإن كنا فعلنا ذلك , لاستعبدونا لالآف السنينPHP Code:قناتى المخصصه لمحاضرات الشيخ أحمد ديدات المترجمه للعربيه
http://www.youtube.com/user/shakalala2004
عضو
I never had dialogue with a person with knowledge but I have defeat him, and I never had dialogue with insane person but he defeated meQuotethen such Christians are in fact unbelievers and they ALL are equal to Muslims
لم احاور عالما الا وغلبته و لم احاور مجنونا الا وغلبني
I am out
عضو
THE CONVERSATION IS VERY INTERESTING
I ENJOY WATCHING
JUST ONE THING I WANT TO SAY
BAHIRA:DON'T FORGET THAT YOU WHORSHIP A LAMBQuotethose who worship cows
عضو
السلام على من اتبع الهدى
peace be upon whom they follow the guidance of Allah Mohammed pbuh
I know in advance that no matter how much we explain or how many proves we give to you, you will never understand because understanding is not your goal, your only goal is to pathetically try to make doubts about the clear meanings of Qur'ran, or maybe it is your holy ghost which openning your eyesand making you understand things upside down, and I know argue with people like you is useless but I will repeat my answer again just for the passing by people who they might read this topic so they read my answer on your ignorancy
أَوَلَا يَذْكُرُ الْإِنسَانُ أَنَّا خَلَقْنَاهُ مِن قَبْلُ وَلَمْ يَكُ شَيْئًا
Doth not man remember that We created him before, when he was naught?
19:67
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in this ayah 19:76 Allah point the speak to the son's of adam in general.
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فَوَرَبِّكَ لَنَحْشُرَنَّهُمْ وَالشَّيَاطِينَ ثُمَّ لَنُحْضِرَنَّهُمْ حَوْلَ جَهَنَّمَ جِثِيًّا
And, by thy Lord, verily We shall assemble them and the devils, then We shall bring them, crouching, around hell.
19:68
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in ayah 19:68 it is the judgment day, everyone will be resurrected and gathered AROUND hell, again AROUND hell to be judged, everyone means everyone include CrossTians Muslims athiests and shaitans too.
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ثُمَّ لَنَنزِعَنَّ مِن كُلِّ شِيعَةٍ أَيُّهُمْ أَشَدُّ عَلَى الرَّحْمَنِ عِتِيًّا
Then We shall pluck out from every sect whichever of them was most stern in rebellion to the Beneficent.
19:69
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in ayah 19:69 the speak pointer now changes from pointing to the son's of adam in general to point at those who are the most sinners and the disbelievers.
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ثُمَّ لَنَحْنُ أَعْلَمُ بِالَّذِينَ هُمْ أَوْلَى بِهَا صِلِيًّا
And surely We are best aware of those most worthy to be burned therein.
19:70
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in this ayah 19:70 the speak still pointing at those who they are the most who diserve to be burned in hell.
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وَإِن مِّنكُمْ إِلَّا وَارِدُهَا كَانَ عَلَى رَبِّكَ حَتْمًا مَّقْضِيًّا
There is not one of you but shall approach it. That is a fixed ordinance of thy Lord.
19:71
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in this ayah 19:71 YOU which is in red point at those who they are the most who diserve to be burned in hell.
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ثُمَّ نُنَجِّي الَّذِينَ اتَّقَوا وَّنَذَرُ الظَّالِمِينَ فِيهَا جِثِيًّا
Then We shall rescue those who kept from evil, and leave the evil doers crouching there.
19:72
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in this ayah 19:72 that group which was judged on them to go to hell already have enter it, then Allah say he will give mercy to those who they have any little amount of faith in their hearts and was avoiding evil doings, and the rest who they wronged them selves will remain in hell forever.
so, do you understand now? I doubt you do because understanding is not what you want.
anyways, that group which will remain in hell forever is athiests and CrossTians like you.
عضو
يا استاذ bahiraomar اذا كانت طريقة فهمك المضحكة لمعنى تلك الآيات هي حقا كيف تفهمها, فأنت بحاجة لدخول مدرسة للحالات الخاصه, الحالات الخاصه جدا.
اما اذا كانت طريقة فهمك لتلك الآيات هي فقط ما تتمنى ان تستطيع خداعنا لجعلنا نفهمها على حسب فهمك, فأنت مثير للشفقة و شفائك ميؤوس منه.
دعني هذه المره اشرحها لك باللغة العربيه و بلغة الأمثال البسيطه التي نستخدمها لتبسيط الامور للأطفال و لذوي الحالات الخاصه.
دعنا نفترض جدلا بأن اعضاء هذا المنتدى هم الاسماء التاليه:-
shakalala2
جهادي
bahiraomar
وكلنا نعلم بأن هذا المنتدى قد وضع قوانين و يجب على الأعضاء الالتزام بها.
اعطانا مدير المنتدى مدة معينة من الزمن كفرصة لأثبات ايماننا بقوانين هذا المنتدى و التزامنا بها.
من يؤمن و يلتزم بالقوانين, يتم ترقيته الى مرتبة عضو مميز.
من يؤمن بالقوانين ولكن لسبب ضعف في ايمانه قام بأرتكاب خروقات شنيعة لتلك القوانين, تتم معاقبته بحرمانه لمدة محددة من دخول المنتدى ثم يتم الافراج عنه بعد ان يكون قد قضى مدة عقوبته التي حددها له مدير المنتدى.
من لم يؤمن و لم يلتزم بالقوانين يتم طرده طردا نهائيا من المنتدى و يتم وضعه الى الأبد في القائمة السوداء.
قام مدير المنتدى ببعث رسالة لنا جميعا (جميـــــــــــــعاً) وقال فيها:-
1-(عندما تنقضي مدة التجربة سأجمعكم جميعا في مكان المحاكمة بقرب باب الطرد)
فَوَرَبِّكَ لَنَحْشُرَنَّهُمْ وَالشَّيَاطِينَ ثُمَّ لَنُحْضِرَنَّهُمْ حَوْلَ جَهَنَّمَ جِثِيًّا 19:68
2-(ثم نقوم بفرزكم و عزل من لم يحترموا تلك القوانين)
تبين بأن جهادي و bahiraomar قد ارتكبوا خروقات لتلك القوانين, فتم عزلهم عن باقي المجموعة, مما يعني بأن shakalala2 قد خرج من المجموعه و قد تمت ترقيته.
3-(نحن نعلم من منكم يستحق الطرد عن جدارة)
بما ان shakalala2 قد تم استثنائه في المرحله الثانيه, اذن البند الثالث من الرساله موجه الى المجموعه التي ارتكبت خروقات وهي جهادي و bahairaomar, و تبين بأن جهادي يؤمن بالقوانين و يحترمها ولكن لم يلتزم التزاما كاملا بها على رغم محاولاته ان يلتزم بها, اما bahairaomar فلم يعترف او يؤمن بتلك القوانين و من الطبيعي انه لن يلتزم بها او يحترمها.
4-(سنطردكم جميعا سواء من استحق الطرد كعقوبة او من استحق الطرد بجدارة)
في البند الرابع shakalala2 لا يزال مستثنى من الكلام حيث ان الكلام موجه فقط الى المجموعه التي اخلت بالقوانين و هم جهادي و bahairaomar.
5-(ثم سنعفو عن الذي آمن بقوانين المنتدى دون التزام كامل بها, اما الذي لم يؤمن بالقوانين و لم يحترمها سيبقى مطرودا الى الأبد)
هذا يعني بأن جهادي الذي آمن ولكن ارتكب خروقات للقوانين تتم معاقبته بطرده من المنتدى لمدة يحددها مدير المنتدى ثم يعفا عنه و يسمح له بدخول المنتدى ثانية بعد ان يكون قد قضى مدة عقوبته.
اما المسكين bahairaomar لن يعفى عنه و سيبقى مطرودا الى الأبد.
هل فهمت الآن ام لازال كبرك يمنعك من تقبل الحقيقة؟
ان كبرك هو الذي سيجعل مصيرك جهنم, اما ان تترك كبرك و تنقذ نفسك, او تتمسك بكبرك و تنتهي في قرار الجحيم, القرار قرارك.
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17 فَإِنَّ الْمَسِيحَ قَدْ أَرْسَلَنِي لاَ لأُعَمِّدَ، بَلْ لأُبَشِّرَ بِالإِنْجِيلِ، غَيْرَ مُعْتَمِدٍ عَلَى حِكْمَةِ الْكَلاَمِ، لِئَلاَّ يَصِيرَ صَلِيبُ الْمَسِيحِ كَأَنَّهُ بِلاَ نَفْعٍ.QuoteOriginally Posted by جهادي
18 لأَنَّ الْبِشَارَةَ بِالصَّلِيبِ جَهَالَةٌ عِنْدَ الْهَالِكِينَ؛ وَأَمَّا عِنْدَنَا، نَحْنُ الْمُخَلَّصِينَ، فَهِيَ قُدْرَةُ اللهِ.
19 فَإِنَّهُ قَدْ كُتِبَ: «سَأُبِيدُ حِكْمَةَ الْحُكَمَاءِ وَأُزِيلُ فَهْمَ الْفُهَمَاءِ!»
20 إِذَنْ، أَيْنَ الْحَكِيمُ؟ وَأَيْنَ الْكَاتِبُ؟ وَأَيْنَ الْمُجَادِلُ فِي هَذَا الزَّمَانِ؟ أَلَمْ يَقْلِبِ اللهُ حِكْمَةَ هَذَا الْعَالَمِ جَهَالَةً؟
21 فَبِمَا أَنَّ الْعَالَمَ، فِي حِكْمَةِ اللهِ، لَمْ يَعْرِفِ اللهَ عَنْ طَرِيقِ الْحِكْمَةِ، فَقَدْ سُرَّ اللهُ أَنْ يُخَلِّصَ بِجَهَالَةِ الْبِشَارَةِ الَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ.
22 إِذْ إِنَّ الْيَهُودَ يَطْلُبُونَ آيَاتٍ، وَالْيُونَانِيِّينَ يَبْحَثُونَ عَنِ الْحِكْمَةِ.
23 وَلكِنَّنَا نَحْنُ نُبَشِّرُ بِالْمَسِيحِ مَصْلُوباً، مِمَّا يُشَكِّلُ عَائِقاً عِنْدَ الْيَهُودِ وَجَهَالَةً عِنْدَ الأُمَمِ؛
24 وَأَمَّا عِنْدَ الْمَدْعُوِّينَ، سَوَاءٌ مِنَ الْيَهُودِ أَوِ الْيُونَانِيِّينَ، فَإِنَّ الْمَسِيحَ هُوَ قُدْرَ ةُ اللهِ وَحِكْمَةُ اللهِ.
25 ذَلِكَ لأَنَّ «جَهَالَةَ» اللهِ أَحْكَمُ مِنَ الْبَشَرِ، وَ«ضَعْفَ» اللهِ أَقْوَى مِنَ الْبَشَرِ.
26 فَاتَّخِذُوا الْعِبْرَةَ مِنْ دَعْوَتِكُمْ أَيُّهَا الإِخْوَةُ: فَلَيْسَ بَيْنَكُمْ كَثِيرُونَ مِنَ الْحُكَمَاءِ حِكْمَةً بَشَرِيَّةً، وَلاَ كَثِيرُونَ مِنَ الْمُقْتَدِرِينَ، وَلاَ كَثِيرُونَ مِنَ النُّبَلاَءِ.
27 بَلْ إِنَّ اللهَ قَدِ اخْتَارَ مَا هُوَ جَاهِلٌ فِي الْعَالَمِ لِيُخْجِلَ الْحُكَمَاءَ. وَقَدِ اخْتَارَ اللهُ مَا هُوَ ضَعِيفٌ فِي الْعَالَمِ لِيُخْجِلَ الْمُقْتَدِرِينَ.
28 وَقَدِ اخْتَارَ اللهُ مَا كَانَ فِي الْعَالَمِ وَضِيعاً وَمُحْتَقَراً وَعَدِيمَ الشَّأْنِ، لِيُزِيلَ مَا لَهُ شَأْنٌ،
29 حَتَّى لاَ يَفْتَخِرَ أَيُّ بَشَرٍ أَمَامَ اللهِ.
30 وَبِفَضْلِ اللهِ صَارَ لَكُمْ مَقَامٌ فِي الْمَسِيحِ يَسُوعَ الَّذِي جُعِلَ لَنَا حِكْمَةً مِنَ اللهِ وَبِرّاً وَقَدَاسَةً وَفِدَاءً،
31 حَتَّى إِنَّ «مَنِ افْتَخَرَ، فَلْيَفْتَخِرْ بِالرَّبِّ»، عَلَى حَدِّ مَا قَدْ كُتِبَ.
ﻛﻮﺭﻧﺜﻮﺱ ﺍﻻﻭﻝ 1
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Salam Muhammad,Quote
do you know the difference between a cow and a lamb?
One of the name of Ibn Allah is the Lamb of God. Right after hajj you can observe an Islamic ritual killing of animals performed to remember the sacrifice of the son of our father Ibrahim to God.
God ordered him to kill his son and Ibrahim killed him in his heart. And God gave him a lamb instead of child accepting the FAITH of Ibrahim. It was a test of his faith. This lamb was a symbol that soon will come another Lamb of God who is Ibn Allah and He should be killed instead of us on the cross to accept the sin of the world to His HOLY body and forgive us of all our sins through FAITH in Him.
We worship Him- Ibn Allah and you Muslims kill lambs during your hajj.
Why do we see it in Islam? It is a symbol that God gives us His Son to LIVE eternally!!!!
Bahira
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السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاتهQuoteالسلام على من اتبع الهدى
peace be upon whom they follow the guidance of Allah Mohammed pbuh
I know in advance that no matter how much we explain or how many proves we give to you, you will never understand because understanding is not your goal, your only goal is to pathetically try to make doubts about the clear meanings of Qur'ran, or maybe it is your holy ghost which openning your eyes
أَوَلَا يَذْكُرُ الْإِنسَانُ أَنَّا خَلَقْنَاهُ مِن قَبْلُ وَلَمْ يَكُ شَيْئًا
Doth not man remember that We created him before, when he was naught?
19:67
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in this ayah 19:76 Allah point the speak to the son's of adam in general.
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فَوَرَبِّكَ لَنَحْشُرَنَّهُمْ وَالشَّيَاطِينَ ثُمَّ لَنُحْضِرَنَّهُمْ حَوْلَ جَهَنَّمَ جِثِيًّا
And, by thy Lord, verily We shall assemble them and the devils, then We shall bring them, crouching, around hell.
19:68
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in ayah 19:68 it is the judgment day, everyone will be resurrected and gathered AROUND hell, again AROUND hell to be judged, everyone means everyone include CrossTians Muslims athiests and shaitans too.
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ثُمَّ لَنَنزِعَنَّ مِن كُلِّ شِيعَةٍ أَيُّهُمْ أَشَدُّ عَلَى الرَّحْمَنِ عِتِيًّا
Then We shall pluck out from every sect whichever of them was most stern in rebellion to the Beneficent.
19:69
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in ayah 19:69 the speak pointer now changes from pointing to the son's of adam in general to point at those who are the most sinners and the disbelievers.
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ثُمَّ لَنَحْنُ أَعْلَمُ بِالَّذِينَ هُمْ أَوْلَى بِهَا صِلِيًّا
And surely We are best aware of those most worthy to be burned therein.
19:70
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in this ayah 19:70 the speak still pointing at those who they are the most who diserve to be burned in hell.
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وَإِن مِّنكُمْ إِلَّا وَارِدُهَا كَانَ عَلَى رَبِّكَ حَتْمًا مَّقْضِيًّا
There is not one of you but shall approach it. That is a fixed ordinance of thy Lord.
19:71
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in this ayah 19:71 YOU which is in red point at those who they are the most who diserve to be burned in hell.
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ثُمَّ نُنَجِّي الَّذِينَ اتَّقَوا وَّنَذَرُ الظَّالِمِينَ فِيهَا جِثِيًّا
Then We shall rescue those who kept from evil, and leave the evil doers crouching there.
19:72
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in this ayah 19:72 that group which was judged on them to go to hell already have enter it, then Allah say he will give mercy to those who they have any little amount of faith in their hearts and was avoiding evil doings, and the rest who they wronged them selves will remain in hell forever.
so, do you understand now? I doubt you do because understanding is not what you want.
anyways, that group which will remain in hell forever is athiests and CrossTians like you.
You know it is funny to read your commentary.
Do you know why?
Because it is WRONG what you say:
ثُمَّ نُنَجِّي الَّذِينَ اتَّقَوا وَّنَذَرُ الظَّالِمِينَ فِيهَا جِثِيًّا
Then We shall rescue those who kept from evil, and leave the evil doers crouching there.
19:72
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in this ayah 19:72 that group which was judged on them to go to hell already have enter it, then Allah say he will give mercy to those who they have any little amount of faith in their hearts and was avoiding evil doings, and the rest who they wronged them selves will remain in hell forever.
But you say:
that group which was judged on them to go to hell already have enter it, then Allah says he will give mercy to those who they have any little amount of faith in their hearts and was avoiding evil doings, and the rest who they wronged them selves will remain in hell forever.
Note brother:
If you are in the hell it means you are a criminal!!! But Islam says that you will get to heaven from hell. Also note that there is no word that these people have 'a little amount faith'.
Just think how can you be a sinner and condemned by God if you will be measured on the scale by Islamic allah?
Do you remember that he is going to weigh your good and deeds and then to put you to hell!!!
So, he weighed them and put you there! It is quite reasonable. But to save criminals from hell it is someting strange.
Also, not that in this Sura is written that ALL people will be put there!!!!!
Ibn Allah gives you forgiveness of ALL your sins through FAITH in Him, because He took all your sins on the cross to make you HOLY and forgiven and you will NEVER get to the hell fire if you will put TRUST in Him.
He said it in His HOLY Scripture which existed MANY CENTURIES before foundation of Islam by angels and Muhammad!
What can we see here in this ayah 19:72?
We see that Muslims and other people will get to the hell. And some of them will be taken to heaven from HELL!!!
Last edited by bahiraomar; 04-06-2011 at 06:36 PM.
عضو
I told you, argue with this guy is pointless.
no wonder why a person like you understand things upside down, if your book said you are stupid and your stupidity is what will take you to paradise looooooooooooooool.
go home and study your insane bible and leave studying Qur'ran to us
we do not need a stupid like you to teach us our Qur'ran
these stupids they do not just understand Qur'ran upside down, but this is how they understand their bibleS too.
now you are posting from your bibles, then I think it is time to change the topic from Qur'ran to talk about your bibleS.
this stupid insane guy want to say that we the milliars of muslims around the world believe in Islam because we want to go to hell.
hell is made for you and for your cross and for the god you worship, your god is going to be infront of you in hell.
عضو
IF YOU MEAN THE TASTE, SURE IT IS VERY CLEAR TO EVERY ONE WHO ATE THEMQuotedo you know the difference between a cow and a lamb?
BAHIRA: THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE WHEN YOUR MIND ACCEPT TO WHORSHIP A COW OR A LAMB, IT IS EXACTLY THE SAME
BY THE WAY, WHAT'S YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE FOLLOWING
Quotewho is bahiraomar
first he is not a women he is a male
second that is not the first site he entered and want to have a dialogue
third we ar not the first members beat him
that is his e-mail
fadlofallah@hotmail.com
and that is one of the sites that he had a conversation with members there
and there are a good Muslims .I swear
from her
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