Translation Errors And Forgeries* In The Bible

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Translation Errors And Forgeries* In The Bible

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    To start with the beginning:
    The Old Testament.The first five texts in the Bible; Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy are not written by Moses as the Church usually claims. Unknown Jewish priests wrote these five books between 900 and 100 BC. Their final editing was first done around 200 AD. The Psalms of David are not written by him, but were actually written much later.

    We have our knowledge of this king David ("the bloodhound") from his son, the "prophet" Solomo (in Proverbs, Ecclesiastes and Song of Solomon). But then there is the problem that the alleged Solomon died at least 100-400 years before these texts ascribed to him were first created! Looking at the texts, it is obvious that they are the product of several different writers, writing at different times between 500 BC and 100 AD.


    حتى نضع أيدينا على بداية التحريف , نبدأ ببداية الكتاب المقدس :

    العهد القديم :- الأسفار الخمسة الاولى " التكوين , الخروج , العدد , التثنية , .." لم يكتبها سيدنا موسى عليه السلام
    كما تتعدى الكنيسة .
    قام كهنة يهود مجهولين بكتابة هذه الاسفار الخمسة ما بين حوالى 100 سنة قبل الميلاد . وكان اخر تعديل اجرى عليها تقريبا ما بين القرن القرن الثانى .

    اما نشيد الانشاد لنبى الله دواد - لم يكتبها هو حوالى القرن التاسع قبل الميلاد .. بل هى كتبت بعد ذلك بكثير !

    لقد عرفنا نبى داود " السفاح " من ابنه النبى " سليمان " من in Proverbs, Ecclesiastes and Song of Solomon)..

    ولكن لدينا مشكلة فى ان النبى سليمان مات على الاقل ما بين 100 الى 400 سنة قبل ما تكتب هذه الاسفار المنسوبة اليه .!
    فالبنظر الى هذه الاسفار , يظهر لك بوضوح على انها من انتاج كتبة مختلفين , كتبوها فى ازمنة مختلفة ما بين القرن الخامس قبل الميلاد حتى القرن الواحد الميلادى .

    يتابع ان شاء الله

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    معك على الخط on line

    على فكرة أنا عندي مواقع كثير بهذا الشكل ولكن الترجمة تعطلني كثيراً

    فنريد مجموعة عمل للترجمة فهل من مجاهد ؟

    هيا ياأخوان ... نريد مجاهدين في سبيل الله لكشف الحقائق .

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    بارك الله فيكم وإلى الأمام دوما ً
    نقره لتكبير أو تصغير الصورة ونقرتين لعرض الصورة في صفحة مستقلة بحجمها الطبيعي

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    Both Judges, Kings and Chronicles are anonymous manuscripts, written at a much later time than the events they present. The same is the case for the books of the so-called prophets, which also were subjected to heavily editing later. (Prophecies made much later than the events they predict, are never particularly impressive.)

    The chapters 24-27 and 40-55 of Isaiah, are forgeries in Isaiah's name. Only the first chapter of Zechariah are really by him, the rest is a forgery. Only 200-300 of the total 1273 verses by Ezekiel are probably by Ezekiel. Etc etc.

    A lot of the stories in the Old Testament are in fact borrowed material. Particularly from the rich mythical heritage of the Sumerians, the inventors of writing. The story of Noah and the great flood, Cain and Abel, the gardens of Eden, creation of Eve from Adams rib, and numerous other myths are stories found recorded on Sumerian clay tablets dating 2-3000 years back, long before the earliest parts of the Old Testament were written down.

    The version of the Old Testament as we know it (with its 39 texts) was first assembled in the 15. Century AD!! Up through history there have existed a number of different Christian Bibles. All the different Christian sects had their own compilation of religious texts. Most of our Old Testament is based on translated medieval manuscripts not older then the 9.th or 10.th century AD.

    The New Testament
    None of the gospels were written to be part of a "holy Bible" inspired by God (Simply because the Bible as such didn't exist at that time.) We don't know anything about who wrote the gospels. The Church ascribed the names of Mark, Matthew, Luke and John to the texts much later. These four texts were not originally in the Bible, and they first became authoritative (approved by the church) late in the 2. century AD. The gospels are all written in Greek and there is no indication of any Hebrew originals, which rules out that the authors could be anyone among the followers of Jesus (who spoke Arameic). According too the gospels both Jesus and his disciples had no education and were illiterates, as most of their contemporaries. The gospel texts are also heavily edited by editors, in particular the gospel of St. John.

    The letters of John are not written by John the apostle. All the "Catholic letters" (I Peter, II Peter, I-III John, Jude) are also forgeries. And six of the thirteen letters of St. Paul are not by him. Even his "real" letters were later heavily edited by the Church.
    Around 400 AD the scholar Hieronimus made a major editing of the Latin Bible, the result is the Latin Vulgata version of the Bible. This became the mother of all later translations. Hieronimus changed no less than 3500 instances in the text.


    Among the later added parts, not in the original Gospel texts: The sermon on the Mount, The story of Jesus' birth (Luke 2:1-21) and the stories of Jesus' resurrection!
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    وفقكم الله

    هل يمكننا ان نجد ترجمة لهذا الكلام كما عودتنا اخي بهاء

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    Default انت تأمر اخى طه .

    السلام عليكم :
    اعتذر لاخوة على عدم الترجمة , وان شاء الله نكمل ...
    Both Judges, Kings and Chronicles are anonymous manuscripts, written at a much later time than the events they present. The same is the case for the books of the so-called prophets, which also were subjected to heavily editing later. (Prophecies made much later than the events they predict, are never particularly impressive.)
    * ان كل من أسفار القضاة الاول والثانى , والملوك واخبار الايام " الاول والثانى ....مخطوطتها مجهولة او كتبتها مجهولين , وقد كتبت فى فترة بعد وقوع أحداثها .
    نفس الحكاية تجدها فى كتب من يدعون أنبياء و والتى ايضا صيغت مادتها بعد ذلك متأخرة .
    "اما عن النبواءت التى تنبأت عن الاحداث حدثت بعد هذا ....فهى لم تكن مؤثرة ".

    The chapters 24-27 and 40-55 of Isaiah, are forgeries in Isaiah's name. Only the first chapter of Zechariah are really by him, the rest is a forgery. Only 200-300 of the total 1273 verses by Ezekiel are probably by Ezekiel. Etc etc.
    الأصحاحات من 24-27 و 40-55 مزورة باسم اشعياء .

    الأصحاح الاول لنبى الله زكريا فقط هو اللى كتبه , الباقى تزوير .
    الفقرات ما بين مائتان الى ثلاثمائة فقرة فقط مدونة بيد حزقيال من مجموع 1273 فقرة.

    A lot of the stories in the Old Testament are in fact borrowed material. Particularly from the rich mythical heritage of the Sumerians, the inventors of writing. The story of Noah and the great flood, Cain and Abel, the gardens of Eden, creation of Eve from Adams rib, and numerous other myths are stories found recorded on Sumerian clay tablets dating 2-3000 years back, long before the earliest parts of the Old Testament were written down.

    كثيرآ من قصص العهد القديم ,. فى الحقيقة -مقتبسة-مسروقة بالنص . من أغنى أرث لاساطير السامريين.
    قصة نوح , والطوفان العظيم .قابيل وهابيل , جنات عدن , خلق حواء من ضلع ادم , وكثيرآ من هذه الاساطير هى قصص وجددت مسجلة على الواح من طين تقريبا ما بين 2000-الى -3000 سنة قبل الميلاد , بعيدة جدآ قبل ما يدون اوائل النصوص فى العهد القديم .
    The version of the Old Testament as we know it (with its 39 texts) was first assembled in the 15. Century AD!! Up through history there have existed a number of different Christian Bibles. All the different Christian sects had their own compilation of religious texts. Most of our Old Testament is based on translated medieval manuscripts not older then the 9.th or 10.th century AD

    *ان نسخة العهد اقديم , التى نعرفها الأن بأسفارها 39 , تم تجميعها بداية من حوالى القرن الخامس عشر .قبل الميلاد!
    على مرر العصور كان هناك العديد من الكتب المقدسة المختلفة .

    كل من الطوائف المسيحية , لها مجموعة من النصوص الدينية .

    اغلب عهدنا القديم قائم اساسا على ترجمة مجموعة من المخطوطات ليست اقدم من القرن التاسع والعاشر قبل الميلاد .

    أتمنى من اى احد يرى خطأ فى الترجمة يقول على طول ,وأنا اعدل المشاركة .

    نكمل ان شاء الله بعد ذلك .

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Translation Errors And Forgeries* In The Bible

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