?Why Prophet Muhammad Married Aisha When She Was Only 9

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I think it is interesting in this thread why you should feel obliged to excuse this marraige of Prophet Mohammed to Aisha. It is known that people married young at that age life expectancy was much shorter. Also girls were given in marraige to seal political alliances.

However just because a girl may reach puberty at an early age it does not neccessarily follow that she is ready and able to take on the role of wife. Physically her body may be preparing her for womanhood but emotionally she may not be ready for all that entails.

It is said that the Prophet Mohammed consummated the marraige when Aisha was nine years old, my today's terms we think too young, but then who can say it may have been common practice. It is also said that Prophet Mohammed married many women and did not consummate the marraige with all of his wives. he had the choice not to consummate the marraige with Aisha but just to love and care for her in a platonic way. he chose not to. Thus leaving muslims with the need to constantly justify his actions in today's world.

Why if Mohammed had so many wives to choose from did he seek the carnel pleasures with a child, but writings show that Aisha herself was ok with this so we can deduce it was a sign of the times they lived in.
Why did Mohammed have so many wives when Allah limited other muslims to having no more than four?

I think some have been reading things into my post that are not there..

firstly lets make it clear I do not have an issue at all with the age of Aisha at her marraige. It's known that girls were married younger then than what society deems acceptable now. I mean if you know of any nine year old girls in your family circle or friends whatever...would you wish to see them married at nine years, to a much older man?!!!

I believe I said ..see above.. I did not necessarily believe that with puberty comes maturity however in some cases it can, but difficult to prove either way when it comes to individuals from the past.

There is no age mentioned in the Bible in regards to Mary bearing the Messiah, but many believe she could have been fourteen or fifteen based on historical evidence of the time, and traditionally it would have been normal for girls to marry at that age.

I guess the problem people have with the Mohammed Aisha age thing, is when it is emulated in today's world in societies that have moved on from thinking that it is no longer morally acceptable.
What was considered right then is not considered right now. I don't think you should make so much of an issue out of it.

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I think it is interesting in this thread why you should feel obliged to excuse this marraige of Prophet Mohammed to Aisha

There is a difference between justified and correct misconceptions (suspicion)

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Why if Mohammed had so many wives to choose from did he seek the carnel pleasures with a child, but writings show that Aisha herself was ok with this so we can deduce it was a sign of the times they lived in.
Why did Mohammed have so many wives when Allah limited other muslims to having no more than four?

We are tired of answering these old suspicions

Do you really can read

http://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/t193367.html

http://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/t195133.html


Now tell me the ethics of the prophets in the Bible

Adultery, lying, polygamy, incest ...


You may not comparison between ethics prophets of the Bible and the Prophet Muhammad

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This is such typical response. Try turn the topic around...back to what you see as defiencies in the Bible. But this thread is not about the Bible and its prophets..it's about your prophet and his marraige to Aisha, on which I was expressing an opinion.

I will say prophets were men and as such prone to the same weaknesses and sins and were in need of forgiveness. The only man born sinless is Jesus Christ.

I understand if you find it difficult to answer or don't wish to answer these old suspicions and misconceptions. You must have to do it so often I'm not surprised you find it tiring.

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This is such typical response. Try turn the topic around...back to what you see as defiencies in the Bible. But this thread is not about the Bible and its prophets..it's about your prophet and his marraige to Aisha, on which I was expressing an opinion.

I will say prophets were men and as such prone to the same weaknesses and sins and were in need of forgiveness. The only man born sinless is Jesus Christ.

I understand if you find it difficult to answer or don't wish to answer these old suspicions and misconceptions. You must have to do it so often I'm not surprised you find it tiring.

Haha
I've responded to suspicion
All Christians are fleeing to speak of ethics of the prophets in the Bible

If the prophets of the Bible so bad for what you're talking about morality

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The only man born sinless is Jesus Christ.

Jesus is a Sinner according to the Nicene Creed



Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene, Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness. And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins; (Luke 3:1-3)

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Jesus is a Sinner according to the Nicene Creed



Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene, Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness. And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins; (Luke 3:1-3)

[19:19] He said, "I am the messenger of your Lord, to grant you a pure son."
Sura Maryam

http://www.muhammadanism.org/Jesus/JesusQuran.htm

http://www.faithfacts.org/world-reli...-bible#sinless

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[19:19] He said, "I am the messenger of your Lord, to grant you a pure son."
Sura Maryam

http://www.muhammadanism.org/Jesus/JesusQuran.htm

http://www.faithfacts.org/world-reli...-bible#sinless

You want to prove that Christ did not faulting of the Koran.Islam describes prophets always good, but did not mention that Christ is God



What is your comment

Jesus is a Sinner according to the Nicene Creed



Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene, Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness. And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins; (Luke 3:1-3)

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You want to prove that Christ did not faulting of the Koran.Islam describes prophets always good, but did not mention that Christ is God



What is your comment

Jesus is a Sinner according to the Nicene Creed



Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene, Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness. And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins; (Luke 3:1-3)

Im not sure what you mean but I am assuming it is the matter of Baptism, The Nicene Creed below I fail to see how it makes Christ out to be a sinner, but for sure you do tend to see things differently.

We believe (I believe) in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, and born of the Father before all ages. (God of God) light of light, true God of true God. Begotten not made, consubstantial to the Father, by whom all things were made. Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven. And was incarnate of the Holy Ghost and of the Virgin Mary and was made man; was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, suffered and was buried; and the third day rose again according to the Scriptures. And ascended into heaven, sits at the right hand of the Father, and shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead, of whose Kingdom there shall be no end. And (I believe) in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father (and the Son), who together with the Father and the Son is to be adored and glorified, who spoke by the Prophets. And one holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We confess (I confess) one baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for (I look for) the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen."

Quite simply for us at least, Jesus was baptized so he could enter into the Melchizedek priesthood so He could be the High Priest and offer Himself as a sacrifice for our sins.

To be consecrated as a priest, He had to be -

Washed with water Lev. 8:6; Exodus 29:4, Matt. 3:16
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Anointed with oil Lev. 8:12; Exodus 29:7; Matt. 3:16

Both of these were bestowed upon Jesus at His baptism.

Also, He may have needed to be 30 years old - (Num. 4:3) which is fulfilled in Luke 3:21-23, "Now it came about when all the people were baptized, that Jesus also was baptized, and while He was praying, heaven was opened, 22 and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, “Thou art My beloved Son, in Thee I am well-pleased.” 23 And when He began His ministry, Jesus Himself was about thirty years of age.

As I said this according to what YHWH ordained in the Bible obviously you will not choose to accept this, as is your prerogative. Either way my face isn't bothered.

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Im not sure what you mean but I am assuming it is the matter of Baptism, The Nicene Creed below I fail to see how it makes Christ out to be a sinner, but for sure you do tend to see things differently.

We believe (I believe) in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, and born of the Father before all ages. (God of God) light of light, true God of true God. Begotten not made, consubstantial to the Father, by whom all things were made. Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven. And was incarnate of the Holy Ghost and of the Virgin Mary and was made man; was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, suffered and was buried; and the third day rose again according to the Scriptures. And ascended into heaven, sits at the right hand of the Father, and shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead, of whose Kingdom there shall be no end. And (I believe) in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father (and the Son), who together with the Father and the Son is to be adored and glorified, who spoke by the Prophets. And one holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We confess (I confess) one baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for (I look for) the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen."

Quite simply for us at least, Jesus was baptized so he could enter into the Melchizedek priesthood so He could be the High Priest and offer Himself as a sacrifice for our sins.

To be consecrated as a priest, He had to be -

Washed with water Lev. 8:6; Exodus 29:4, Matt. 3:16
.
Anointed with oil Lev. 8:12; Exodus 29:7; Matt. 3:16

Both of these were bestowed upon Jesus at His baptism.

Also, He may have needed to be 30 years old - (Num. 4:3) which is fulfilled in Luke 3:21-23, "Now it came about when all the people were baptized, that Jesus also was baptized, and while He was praying, heaven was opened, 22 and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, “Thou art My beloved Son, in Thee I am well-pleased.” 23 And when He began His ministry, Jesus Himself was about thirty years of age.

As I said this according to what YHWH ordained in the Bible obviously you will not choose to accept this, as is your prerogative. Either way my face isn't bothered.

All your words are illogical

God begotten born, why?

Is Jesus the only son in the Bible. Not

http://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/t195172.html#post572176


Baptism for the forgiveness of sins means that Jesus was mistaken
This very clear

What do you think to ask a priest

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I have decided to take a break from talking in religion comparison . But this farce must end !

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However, could someone pretend that she was mature enough to give birth to children and take care of them while she can’t even take care of herself

Because I have things to do and I'm not really in good shape to stay in front of a screen for too long , I can't bring you the incidents showing the mental maturity of Lady Aisha God be pleased with her . So I leave it to our brothers and sisters . The point is , you have NO evidence she wasn't mature in any way . And don't say "She played on swings" . It only makes it look more ridiculous . How do you have the nerve to say something so irrational ?! Do these girls of 20 and over years go under the label of "Children" because they play with dolls ? And not just girls I'm telling you . Stop making fun of yourselves , it's such a shame !

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I swear to God that you feel overwhelmingly ashamed when talking about this topic

This is where you're wrong again . We are not ashamed because our prophet married such a wonderful lady . And moreover , someone who has no problem in a man having sex with a man , sex with a sister or mother - and maybe father and brother ! - , sex with an animal , such a person has NO right object on the marriage of a man and a woman . Since you have no moral basis , you're the last ones to talk about them , Atheists .

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it is just the blind biogetry that causes you to harshly defend it

False , it is bigotry which makes you so hateful and thinking of perverted things WHENEVER something about the noblest of mankind is said .

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Isn’t that a violation of human rights, a violation of all the laws of mankind

Shafeeq my man ! An Atheists comes to talk about violating the rules of nature ?! I just remind you of what I said about sex with anyone and anything .You're the first ones to break these rules . So you're the last to talk about them .

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However just because a girl may reach puberty at an early age it does not neccessarily follow that she is ready and able to take on the role of wife. Physically her body may be preparing her for womanhood but emotionally she may not be ready for all that entails

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Again , what evidence do you possibly have she wasn't mature ? All the stories show her great wisdom and intelligence . You don't know the difference rational rules and personal liking . And who doesn't know the hawk ...... grills it !

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Why if Mohammed had so many wives to choose from did he seek the carnel pleasures with a child

Two misleading pieces of information in your words : Firstly , how many times do we have to YELL in your ears that she wasn't a child ? How many medical references must we bring till you are satisfied ? It's really strange . Secondly , you object on the carnal pleasure with a wife ? Did I get it wrong or something ? Are not husbands and wives supposed to have such pleasure with each other ? How amusing ! Thirdly , you go with the Atheists as well , because someone whose book allows the marriage to THREE years old ( Notice how I wrote them in capital ) doesn't have the right talk about marrying children . And don't go with ( It was the old testament only ! ) The God of the two testaments according to you is the same . Now , we can overlook it if that marriage is only official and there is no physical connection until the wife gets mature . The problem is that YOU don't agree with it . And if your house is glass , don't throw people with rocks . As for you asking about polygamy , the ONLY book on the entire planet through history which limited marriage in any way was Quran . And in Bible , Solomon peace upon him had more than 700 wives . Once again , glass and stones As for prophet Muhammad all peace and blessings upon him , he was allowed to marry more than four by God . That's something we have nothing to do with . God is most wise and knows better . And who gave you the impression that his wives were young and virgins and beautiful in body ? ( They were beautiful in souls , God be pleased of them ) All his wives were widows and old women . Hid first wife was FIFTEEN years older than him , and SHE asked him for marriage ! Do you have an idea what the words in red mean ? Moreover , he didn't marry for years after Lady Khadija passed away . In fact , he only married after Khawla the daughter of Hakim suggested that he does . And she suggested lady Aisha and lady Sawda . Lady Sawda was also an old widow and older than him . But there's something weird here , don't you think ? A woman was the one who suggested that the prophet marries lady Aisha , so do you have the nerve say she didn't know lady Aisha was a child ? Or maybe you'll come up with other acrobatic assumptions ( Yes , acrobatic means "unreal" ) . I believe there is nothing left to say about this .

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I will say prophets were men and as such prone to the same weaknesses and sins and were in need of forgiveness

What a farce !!!!!!!! ( I did mean to put all these marks ) So if the prophets of Bible do such crimes it is ok because they are just humans , but when you are tricked to believe that our prophet did wrong then it's something that cannot be tolerated ?! That's called "Double Standards" . And before someone cuts something from my words and leave the rest , no , our prophet did nothing wrong . I'm saying that you are TRICKED to believe he did .

That , and all thanks to God , and peace and blessings upon our beloved light of hearts , our teacher , prophet Muhammad .

God knows best .