The forgotten person in the trinity : The Holy Spirit

[محمد سني 1989]

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We have already established that the word trinity is not to be found in the Bible and we do not teach it, nor does our understanding or belief in the concept have any baring on our salvation.

The fact that trinity is nowhere to be foind in the bible makes it a human comcept not of a divine origin

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The Christian Creeds do not speak of "three Persons" as though they were three Gods.... Which you constantly allude to. We are not Polytheists but Trinitarians...

In concept and origin Trinity=polythiesm

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. I see the nature of this thread could be spiritually dangerous for me as blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is an unforgivable sin.

Tell that to Constantine and the christians who were in the council of Nicea .

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You should know that the Holy Spirit is NOT a created being.. It is God, as Jesus is Gods word incarnate then the Spirit is Gods will by which he communes understanding with His creation.

Thank you for your words in red I will comment on it soon , and everbody will see how it is actually paganism

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The Holy Spirit is present with either God the father or the Jesus His word as they exist in unity.
This rather makes your claim of the Spirit being "left out" a moot point as wherever God the Father or Jesus are so is the Spirit. To mention God is to the acknowledge the Spirit to mention Jesus is to acknowledge the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 2


God’s wisdom revealed by the Spirit...
6 We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7 No, we declare God’s wisdom, a mystery that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 8 None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 However, as it is written:


‘What no eye has seen,
what no ear has heard,
and what no human mind has conceived’–
the things God has prepared for those who love him –
10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.


The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. 14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16 for,

Things about God revealed by the spirit . Two separate enitities

Spirit who is from God. The spirit sent from God two separate enitities

No where in the text you mentioned states hat the spirit is God or part of God , rather the text clearly distincts between the two

The person with the spirit , this brings us back to :

"Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost."(John 20:21-22)

The holy Ghost in this context is distinct from the father and Jesus and no where within that context is that the holy spirit is part of god anywhere

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to forget the Spirit is to forget God. Your article is based on your understanding of what the Holy Spirit is or is not. It does not address any issues in regards to Gods Spirit..
Peace unto you.

Well this is contradicted by what you said earlier :

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You should know that the Holy Spirit is NOT a created being.. It is God, as Jesus is Gods word incarnate then the Spirit is Gods will by which he communes understanding with His creation. The Holy Spirit is present with either God the father or the Jesus His word as they exist in unity.

Here you are clearly stating that the Holy spirit is God !!!! and in another sentence you describe the holy spirit exists with God the father meaning two separate persons !!!!! If they were really one God according to your understanding you would have said with the father , the son as one God , but the facth of the matter is you said it !!! proving our point.

I see your statement here as the best answer for your own claim on us when you said:

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The Christian Creeds do not speak of "three Persons" as though they were three Gods.... Which you constantly allude to

This itself is a contradictory response

Also According to christian theology they are three distinct persons :



[TD="class: vcol"]Believe in the Trinity of God. Three persons in one God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit[/TD]





http://www.diffen.com/difference/Catholic_vs_Protestant

They are three distinct persons according to christians in one God , however your denial of this comes from the fact that you know the reprocussions of such statement which is the fact that it is easy to switch persons with divine beings according to the writer of the gospel of John in John 1:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The actual greek translation for the word theos is divine

so the statement actually is and the word was with God and the word was divine

indicating Two divine separate persons not two in one as you claimed

Now to comment on your comments :

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As mentioned above to acknowledge one is to acknowledge all. The Holy Spirit is not considered A deity ... But the Deity.. As God. As Paul is considered to be author of Corinthians it's clear from the above verse what Paul believed and taught about the Spirit.

Where is your proof !!!!! This is your initial claim

The passage clearly stated the father and the son but not the holy spirit !!!!! so is acknowledging two as acknowledging three?????

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What has the verses above (John) got to do with the teachings of Paul? The Bible is clear that blasphemy against the Spirit is unforgivable. Which shows that the Spirit has to be of God and uncreated because as blasphemy against God is a sin then why should the lesser sin of blasphemy against a creation.. For example an angel.. Carry an equal weight and be unforgivable?

The question is why did paul disregard the holy spirit in his writtings !!!! It is because the text never mentioned it :
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

1 John 2: 22-23

Nothing here describes the denial of the holy spirit nor the heresy in denying it !!!!. That is why Paul neglected the Holy ghost because its divinity was still not established by christians and thus no trinity !!!!
No way did paul according to his writtings give the same importance of the father and son to the holy ghost !!! As can be seen above

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If the Spirit is of God, and a means by which God communicates understanding to His creation.. Then how can it follow that God does not know Himself..!!! Does this fit into our acceptance of God being omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent? You are looking at the Spirit as an individual like a separate god. This is how you see it .. not as Christians believe it to be. So you cannot judge us in error based on your own misunderstanding...

This logic is twisted because it is based on the fact that the holy spirit is god which is what we are debating!!!!

How could god not know himself!!!!???

That is an honest question which you should ask yourself .

If the holy spirit was god then how could the passage states that no one knows the father except the son !!!!! You are under two options:

1.Either the holy spirit is not part of god nor is god

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2. There is a clear contradiction in your belief

There cannot be a third possibility

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Again you are seeing the Holy Spirit as a person. God is Spirit God is Holy ergo Holy Spirit

Then where is it in the passage again we only see the father (god) and the son thats it !!!!! nothing more nothing less!!!!