the Bible VS the holy Qura'n

[pandora]

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It is simple, look at it this way, we believe that God is just and wise, so why would God link our salvation to something ( the trinity ) nobody in this world can understand? Muslims salvation is based on something even a 2 yr old can understand, worship God alone, no partners, keep the commandments, simple !The other question that I need to ask you is how can you be certain that you are in the right path ?and what you believe in is

1. You can’t fully comprehend, no one really does
2. It doesn’t make sense So people who worship Rats, idols, have similar theories reincarnated souls gods etc , they too think they are in the right path, what is the Criteria
to know you are on the right path ?

Would it be possible you could get one of these two year olds to express their understanding of this oneness? Seeing as adult muslims have a hard time explaining it. Again... I'm not asking about what the Quran tells you it is... Worship one God, no partners and keep commandments. We can understand that as we also worship One God, who has no partners and keep His commandments. But.. Explain the concept of a unitary being and how you understand that this concept is superior to the concept of a triune being.

It's not the belief in the trinity that we see as our salvation... But what Jesus taught about the way to our salvation. Which is basically believe that He is the way, the Truth and the Life... That's not A way... BUT the way.. Not A truth but THE truth and He is our way to Life eternal. It's that simple.

Peace.

[Burninglight]

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Would it be possible you could get one of these two year olds to express their understanding of this oneness? Seeing as adult muslims have a hard time explaining it. Again... I'm not asking about what the Quran tells you it is... Worship one God, no partners and keep commandments. We can understand that as we also worship One God, who has no partners and keep His commandments. But.. Explain the concept of a unitary being and how you understand that this concept is superior to the concept of a triune being.

It's not the belief in the trinity that we see as our salvation... But what Jesus taught about the way to our salvation. Which is basically believe that He is the way, the Truth and the Life... That's not A way... BUT the way.. Not A truth but THE truth and He is our way to Life eternal. It's that simple.

Peace.

Yes, yes, that was a perfect reply. You were once asked are you my spokeswoman? You can speak for me anytime you want. Your implies are after my own heart on the matters in question on this forum thus far. I believe this is unity of Spirit. But unity of spirit is not enough without truth. Jesus makes all the difference; Truth is a person and many don't know that. Jesus is the truth (the only truth); He is the way; (the only way); He is the life; (the only life). Outside of Christ, there is only death. Jesus said, "You will die in your sin unless you believe I am He; no comes unto the father (God/Allah) except through me"
What excuse can a Muslim have before Jesus on judgment day when we told them, and Jesus said it in the Scriptures, that He is the only way to God???

Peace and blessing to you sister Pandora

[pandora]

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Yes, yes, that was a perfect reply. You were once asked are you my spokeswoman? You can speak for me anytime you want. Your implies are after my own heart on the matters in question on this forum thus far. I believe this is unity of Spirit. But unity of spirit is not enough without truth. Jesus makes all the difference; Truth is a person and many don't know that. Jesus is the truth (the only truth); He is the way; (the only way); He is the life; (the only life). Outside of Christ, there is only death. Jesus said, "You will die in your sin unless you believe I am He; no comes unto the father (God/Allah) except through me"
What excuse can a Muslim have before Jesus on judgment day when we told them, and Jesus said it in the Scriptures, that He is the only way to God???

Peace and blessing to you sister Pandora

I do not know what excuses there can be. I feel you address the points clearly and concisely without.... Maybe my emotion.. But that's my person. I don't understand why some on this forum cannot understand your posts they are clear as brightest crystal to me.. But.. Then we share the same faith and love of The Lord.

Gods blessings to you my brother in Christ.

[محمد سني 1989]

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Would it be possible you could get one of these two year olds to express their understanding of this oneness? Seeing as adult muslims have a hard time explaining it. Again... I'm not asking about what the Quran tells you it is... Worship one God, no partners and keep commandments. We can understand that as we also worship One God, who has no partners and keep His commandments. But.. Explain the concept of a unitary being and how you understand that this concept is superior to the concept of a triune being.

It's not the belief in the trinity that we see as our salvation... But what Jesus taught about the way to our salvation. Which is basically believe that He is the way, the Truth and the Life... That's not A way... BUT the way.. Not A truth but THE truth and He is our way to Life eternal. It's that simple.

Peace.

The concept of unitary is superior to the concept of trinity for many reasons:

1. Trinity is paganism , no matter what you say whether it is three in one god and the emphasis on one it is still called paganism because your concept is three in one person , those three in your theology are divine , meaning god like , doesn't john 1 state the word was divine!!!! so no matter what it is still paganism even if you emphasize that the three are one

2. Trinity does not exist in the Old testament , no mention of it in any of the stories of the prophet. Why would god conceal the trinity idea for thousands and thousands of years till Jesus came !!!???

3. Trinity does not exist in the New testament , there is no mention of it as if : the father , the son , the holy spirit are three in one go. No it does not exist . What christians are saying is that we have a lot of hints for it in the new testament !!!! Therefore Jesus even according to your gospels never preached it and neither did his deciples!!!

4. Trinity in the idea that three are one god existed long before christianity in the roman , egyptian and hindu ancient pagan religion !!!.

5. A fundimental and complex idea like trinity if existed in the first century AD would have definatly resulted in many debates and questions from other religions like Jews , it would have been the main topic of debate in that time and the topic of debate between early christians like Paul and others such as Jews but we do not see any evidence of that in the New testament , nothing!!!!! which concludes that a philisophical matter did not exist in the first century of christianity !!!

For your last comment yes Jesus taught our salvation just like any other prophet of god , but as I stated in the third point Jesus never taught trinity , therefore he never preached it and believing in it would be against the teachings of Jesus since he never preached it !!!
And yes it is important because you are believing a certain important theological belief about the nature of God which Jesus did not preach; something which according to christians is the fundimental belief about the relationship between God and Jesus

peace

[pandora]

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The concept of unitary is superior to the concept of trinity for many reasons:

1. Trinity is paganism , no matter what you say whether it is three in one god and the emphasis on one it is still called paganism because your concept is three in one person , those three in your theology are divine , meaning god like , doesn't john 1 state the word was divine!!!! so no matter what it is still paganism even if you emphasize that the three are one

2. Trinity does not exist in the Old testament , no mention of it in any of the stories of the prophet. Why would god conceal the trinity idea for thousands and thousands of years till Jesus came !!!???

3. Trinity does not exist in the New testament , there is no mention of it as if : the father , the son , the holy spirit are three in one go. No it does not exist . What christians are saying is that we have a lot of hints for it in the new testament !!!! Therefore Jesus even according to your gospels never preached it and neither did his deciples!!!

4. Trinity in the idea that three are one god existed long before christianity in the roman , egyptian and hindu ancient pagan religion !!!.

5. A fundimental and complex idea like trinity if existed in the first century AD would have definatly resulted in many debates and questions from other religions like Jews , it would have been the main topic of debate in that time and the topic of debate between early christians like Paul and others such as Jews but we do not see any evidence of that in the New testament , nothing!!!!! which concludes that a philisophical matter did not exist in the first century of christianity !!!

For your last comment yes Jesus taught our salvation just like any other prophet of god , but as I stated in the third point Jesus never taught trinity , therefore he never preached it and believing in it would be against the teachings of Jesus since he never preached it !!!
And yes it is important because you are believing a certain important theological belief about the nature of God which Jesus did not preach; something which according to christians is the fundimental belief about the relationship between God and Jesus

peace

Friend, you seem to have trouble focusing, which as you apparently recognise this trait in myself I am surprised you don't see it in yourself. My question was:

**** Explain the concept of a unitary being and how you understand that this concept is superior to the concept of a triune being.****

You have not answered or even attempted to answer.. Except express your opinion that it is superior for many reasons.. Then you digress as is your way and list a lot of opinions about the trinity...again.. How many times does one have to state that our salvation does not rely on the belief of trinity or your misconception about it? For sure this trinity issue is a thorn in your side that you cannot let go. I don't need you to repeat your opinions about the trinity.. You've done that countless times on various threads.. Many which have nothing to do with the trinity topic!!! If you can't explain why you feel a unitary concept of God is superior to a triune concept of God... Then maybe one of those two year olds Huria claims to know of could enlighten you, then you could pass it on.

Or you can just say you don't know.. I can respect that. In fact that is an honest way and to be admired. I don't pretend to fully understand the nature of God, however I do believe the concept of a triune God gives a fuller understanding ... as far as we are able, according to how God chooses to reveal Himself to us.

Peace unto you.

[محمد سني 1989]

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Friend, you seem to have trouble focusing, which as you apparently recognise this trait in myself I am surprised you don't see it in yourself. My question was:

**** Explain the concept of a unitary being and how you understand that this concept is superior to the concept of a triune being.****

You have not answered or even attempted to answer.. Except express your opinion that it is superior for many reasons.. Then you digress as is your way and list a lot of opinions about the trinity...again.. How many times does one have to state that our salvation does not rely on the belief of trinity or your misconception about it? For sure this trinity issue is a thorn in your side that you cannot let go. I don't need you to repeat your opinions about the trinity.. You've done that countless times on various threads.. Many which have nothing to do with the trinity topic!!! If you can't explain why you feel a unitary concept of God is superior to a triune concept of God... Then maybe one of those two year olds Huria claims to know of could enlighten you, then you could pass it on.

Or you can just say you don't know.. I can respect that. In fact that is an honest way and to be admired. I don't pretend to fully understand the nature of God, however I do believe the concept of a triune God gives a fuller understanding ... as far as we are able, according to how God chooses to reveal Himself to us.

Peace unto you.

Here is what you asked and focus on what is emphasized in your statement :

Explain the concept of a unitary being and how you understand that this concept is superior to the concept of a triune being.

How I understand ok so I believe my points answer for it self why I see trinity is not superior to unitary= monotheism


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How many times does one have to state that our salvation does not rely on the belief of trinity or your misconception about it?

I already answered this in my last response :

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For your last comment yes Jesus taught our salvation just like any other prophet of god , but as I stated in the third point Jesus never taught trinity , therefore he never preached it and believing in it would be against the teachings of Jesus since he never preached it !!!
And yes it is important because you are believing a certain important theological belief about the nature of God which Jesus did not preach; something which according to christians is the fundimental belief about the relationship between God and Jesus

peace

[pandora]

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Here is what you asked and focus on what is emphasized in your statement :

Explain the concept of a unitary being and how you understand that this concept is superior to the concept of a triune being.

How I understand ok so I believe my points answer for it self why I see trinity is not superior to unitary= monotheism


you also said "

I already answered this in my last response :




peace

Firstly I did not emphasis a particular aspect of my question.. It was I thought simple enough to understand. It does NOT involve any comparison with the trinity.. You are constantly asking us to explain the trinity.. Even when we tell you the word is no where mentioned in the Bible.. Jesus did not teach it.. It's not Biblical.. And our salvation does not depend on having to understand it. I simply ask can you explain the doctrine of tawheed the oneness of Allah?

Just explain the concept of tawheed.. Oneness.. A unitary being.

Peace.

[محمد سني 1989]

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Firstly I did not emphasis a particular aspect of my question.. It was I thought simple enough to understand. It does NOT involve any comparison with the trinity.. You are constantly asking us to explain the trinity.. Even when we tell you the word is no where mentioned in the Bible.. Jesus did not teach it.. It's not Biblical.. And our salvation does not depend on having to understand it. I simply ask can you explain the doctrine of tawheed the oneness of Allah?

Just explain the concept of tawheed.. Oneness.. A unitary being.

Peace.

Tawheed is simple the worship of one god , one god which does not take a humanly body (Not because he can't rather because it is not worthy of his divine status) who is not dictated by the laws of time or space, we as sunni muslims believe in all what god attributed for himself and what the prophet attributed to himself and deny what god denied about himself and what the prophet denied about him. He is perfect not made of three or two or so on .

May I ask you if someone believes say in Jesus taking the sin of the world and that he is the messiah and that he is son of god but does not believe in trinity meaning Jesus is only son of god and not god and the holy ghost is not god , would he still be christian and saved ???

This is my question to you

peace