Which makes more sense Islam or Christianity

[Burninglight]

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First : That is my point , you say it is meaning , yet you do not know most of what the bible means , thats what you said !!!! So it does not have any meaning when christians come up and say I saw the light , I am born again !!! They still know the same amount of knowledge as they did before. Love is feeling just as repulsiveness , hate , joyfull and satisfaction , they are feelings nothing more man. .

You are wrong man.
Love is a choice, that can but (not always) involve feelings especially when "feelings" start to wane; for instance, when people you love give you a hard time, you can and must choose to love them through it without feelings or warm emotions. This involves agape love that comes from God. God commands us in His word that we should love even our enemies. I guess you cannot understand this since there is no such command for love in your religion.
True God given love contrary to what you say is ultimately a choice and a commitment that, as I mentioned, may or may not accompany feelings or emotion. I think you just like to debate and argue for the sake of it friend.

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Second: As for what you said here :

I never said the passage says that explicitly, but we can infer that from Biblical hermeneutics and Biblical scholars concur. It is not my private interpretation as you say. It is understood by the congregation of churches in general. You are the one coming up with private interpretation that Jesus shouting out His last words means failure and a discrepancy in the central gospel message. You are seeing this all on your own. We don't see what you talking about as being a point here, because it isn't.

You can see that both statements in red are contradictory . If it was my private interpritation then why are you saying that the passage indirectly says what you are saying????.

I see no contradictions, because yours is the private interpretation not mine. Christians as a whole believe Jesus is the culmination of Israel. Do you know what culmination means?

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More importantly the context of the passage does not really serve such obscure interpritation , an interpritation that does not actually have meaning

I mean this is your personal interpritation of the passage when you come and say something like this :

Yes, God is talking to Israel, but Jesus is the culmination of all that happens to Israel for he was sent to them! Right?

What does this mean !!!! This is not an answer !!! The passage never said culmination , Do you even know what the word culmination is ???? Or are you just saying stuff that does not mean anything in an attempt to answer !!!!.

What are you talking about here? Again, do you know what culmination means? If you did, I don't think you would've made this comment.

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Fourth : You have no idea about your faith , because christianity had a long history of attacking the jews , in fact if you read the history of the first three to six centuries of christianity you would know. Today christianity attacks Islam and tries to defame it but the fact of the matter is that this tactic of them does not work , Islam is still spreading by rapid numbers in areas like france , germany and other areas.
The fact that you claim that going on the attack itself is not neccesary contradicts the bible in the OT and NT. Just look at what Jesus peace be upon him did when he saw the Jews defaming the temple , did he go on the attack or did he sit down and minded his own business ???

plus and more importantly all these statement from you and you still did not answer my argument :

If the twelve men wrote what happened years later and because that they started to forget then that my friend proves that :
1. Most of what they wrote are unreliable
2. They were not guided by God because forgetting things related to God's scripture before documenting it means that God did not support their writing nor were they guided by the holy ghost when writting

As usual you used the whole ignore and change the topic to avoid answering this fact

I haven't ignored you and you have mentioned no facts. My posts don't always show up in time or at all sometimes. I answered you by quoting the verses in question:
Mat. 27: 45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land until the ninth hour.46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” that is, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”
Luke: 23: 44)It was now about the sixth hour,] and there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour, 45 while the sun's light failed. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two. 46 Then Jesus, calling out with a loud voice, said, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit!” And having said this he breathed his last.

It is possible that Jesus said both during or about the 9th hour because it was about that hour. About is not an exact time so both statement could have been made. You are grasping at straws here, and have not proven Biblical unreliability has you had hoped. At least not with us Christians, and you have missed the point of the passage you quote being blinded by your misdirected zeal to prove the Bible is corrupted.

The point is that Jesus did die for our sin. He paid for your sin and mine; you are without Christ's sacrifice for your sin, and will have to account to God for your sins in the past, present and future and be judged. Jesus said it to you: "You will die in your sin unless you believe I am He, and no one comes to the father (God /Allah) except through me."
You have strayed from your Creator and the topic of this thread. How did you get to the Christians attacking Jews and Muslims? What does that have to do with the topic?

You debate me and argue and reject truth from the Bible at your own spiritual peril along with all others reading and rejecting this message. If the Bible was corrupted, than so is the Quran, because Allah said he sent down the torah and gospel to your prophet Muhammad as guidance and light with no mention of corruption. We still have the same manuscripts he had in his hand in the 7th century. God said in those Scriptures: "My word is established forever in heaven....,"and the Quran says that no one can alter or change Allah's words. So, if the torah and gospel (Allah's words) were altered, Allah's word in the Quran isn't true; if the Bible, however, has not been altered, then the Quran is not true, because it clashes with the torah and gospel; so, in light of this, it makes more sense to me to be Christian than Muslim which is the topic of this thread!

peace

peace

[محمد سني 1989]

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You are wrong man.
Love is a choice, that can but (not always) involve feelings especially when "feelings" start to wane; for instance, when people you love give you a hard time, you can and must choose to love them through it without feelings or warm emotions. This involves agape love that comes from God. God commands us in His word that we should love even our enemies. I guess you cannot understand this since there is no such command for love in your religion.
True God given love contrary to what you say is ultimately a choice and a commitment that, as I mentioned, may or may not accompany feelings or emotion. I think you just like to debate and argue for the sake of it friend.
I see no contradictions, because yours is the private interpretation not mine. Christians as a whole believe Jesus is the culmination of Israel. Do you know what culmination means?

What are you talking about here? Again, do you know what culmination means? If you did, I don't think you would've made this comment.

I haven't ignored you and you have mentioned no facts. My posts don't always show up in time or at all sometimes. I answered you by quoting the verses in question:
Mat. 27: 45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land until the ninth hour.46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” that is, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”
Luke: 23: 44)It was now about the sixth hour,] and there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour, 45 while the sun's light failed. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two. 46 Then Jesus, calling out with a loud voice, said, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit!” And having said this he breathed his last.

It is possible that Jesus said both during or about the 9th hour because it was about that hour. About is not an exact time so both statement could have been made. You are grasping at straws here, and have not proven Biblical unreliability has you had hoped. At least not with us Christians, and you have missed the point of the passage you quote being blinded by your misdirected zeal to prove the Bible is corrupted.



You debate me and argue and reject truth from the Bible at your own spiritual peril along with all others reading and rejecting this message. If the Bible was corrupted, than so is the Quran, because Allah said he sent down the torah and gospel to your prophet Muhammad as guidance and light with no mention of corruption. We still have the same manuscripts he had in his hand in the 7th century. God said in those Scriptures: "My word is established forever in heaven....,"and the Quran says that no one can alter or change Allah's words. So, if the torah and gospel (Allah's words) were altered, Allah's word in the Quran isn't true; if the Bible, however, has not been altered, then the Quran is not true, because it clashes with the torah and gospel; so, in light of this, it makes more sense to me to be Christian than Muslim which is the topic of this thread!

peace

peace

You know nothing about my religion :



On the authority of Anas ibn malik (may Allah be pleased with him), who said that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said:
"No man is a true believer unless he desires for his brother that, what he desires for himself."

(Bukhari & Muslim)

You know nothing about yours :

If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Luke 14: 26

Love is a feeling there is no debate about this , apparantly you do not know the difference between love and showing love . There is a big difference and the fact that you twist and turn to interperate the word love in this ways shows an agony in your situation.
You are contradicting , you say you know knowledge but yet you admit of not knowing !!!!! What you knew is the bloody and heretic history of the vatican church which made you convert to protistant.

Second: I do know what culmination means but it has nothing to do with the last words of Jesus which you still cannot explain

Third : As for the possibility that jesus said both , I have already answered and addressed that in a previous response which you did not answer :

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Jesus could not have said both because they are both speaking of his last words :

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And Jesus, crying out with a loud voice, said, "Father, INTO YOUR HANDS I COMMIT MY SPIRIT." Having said this, He breathed His last.

Luke 23: 46

And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.

Mark 15: 37

This was his last moment , a loud cry so according to Mark his last words was god why have you forsaken me

I know what you will say , you will say the loud cry is what jesus said in Luke , that is wrong in two ways :

1. Mark and Matthew are both older than Luke , Mark 40 AD Matthew 70-100 AD . As for Luke it was written 80- 90 AD

2. biblical commentary describe the loud cry in Mark as something different:

Verse 37.

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And Jesus uttered a loud voice, and gave up the ghost

. The three synoptists all mention this cry,

which appears to have been something different from the words

which he uttered at or about the time of his death.

It was evidently something supernatural

, and was so regarded by the centurion who stood by; and who had no doubt been accustomed to scenes like these.

Source :

Pulpit Commentary

You have been born blind and have become more blind , your interpritation of the text is based upon personal opinion. The fact that you admitted that there are variations and errors in the bible is enough , however your defense is that it does not effect the central message of the bible . This is a pathetic attempt to blindside the readers on the fact that your holy book has errors!!!!! LOL . The errors themselves do hit many of the core principles of christianity like the ressurection story , the crusifix story and many more

As for the Quran , LOL do not make me laugh again burninglight , you keep proving to me you know nothing about your ow religion and so I am not surprised when you come and make absurd comments like the quran never mentioned the corruption of the bible !!!:

Here you go :

Do you covet [the hope, O believers], that they would believe for you while a party of them used to hear the words of Allah and then distort the Torah after they had understood it while they were knowing?Quran 1:75

Among the Jews are those who distort words from their [proper] usages and say, "We hear and disobey" and "Hear but be not heard" and "Ra'ina," twisting their tongues and defaming the religion.
Quran 4: 46

So for their breaking of the covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard. They distort words from their [proper] usages and have forgotten a portion of that of which they were reminded. And you will still observe deceit among them, except a few of them. But pardon them and overlook [their misdeeds]. Indeed, Allah loves the doers of good.Quran 5:13


O People of the Scripture, why do you confuse the truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know [it]?

Quran 3:71


And [mention, O Muhammad], when Allah took a covenant from those who were given the Scripture, [saying], "You must make it clear to the people and not conceal it." But they threw it away behind their backs and exchanged it for a small price. And wretched is that which they purchased.
Quran 3: 187


So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allah ," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.
Quran 2: 79



From hadeeth :

Narrated Ubaidullah bin `Abdullah bin `Utba:

Ibn `Abbas said, "O Muslims? How do you ask the people of the Scriptures, though your Book (i.e. the Qur'an) which was revealed to His Prophet is the most recent information from Allah and you recite it, the Book that has not been distorted? Allah has revealed to you that the people of the scriptures have changed with their own hands what was revealed to them and they have said (as regards their changed Scriptures): This is from Allah, in order to get some worldly benefit thereby." Ibn `Abbas added: "Isn't the knowledge revealed to you sufficient to prevent you from asking them? By Allah I have never seen any one of them asking (Muslims) about what has been revealed to you."


Saheeh Bukhary

Vol. 3, Book 48, Hadith 850

God said nobody can alter the Quran not the torah and the gospel, The quran

never stated that the torah and the gospel were not altered , the verse you

speek about talks about the Quran

Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian.


Quran 15: 9

Conclusion:


I really can't see any sign of your so called knowledge ,

maybe its time to start thinking and open your eyes


Christians Agree that there are variations in there gospels and the Quran

affirms it , christians claim that it is not important because it does not

contradict the central message , however even if that is true it still means

that the writers did not have the holy ghost upon them and were not inspired

by God!!! Therefore christianity contradicts itself. By also further looking into

these variations we see that they do in fact affect the central message and

therefore another contradiction again !!!! christianity does not make sense

here. While Islam affirms the corruption of the scriptures and claims that the

Quran do not contradict itself neither do it contain variations and it was

perfectly preserved therefore it is worthy to be called devinly inspired and

so Islam makes perfect sense here .