Which makes more sense Islam or Christianity

[huria]

no.. They are not three gods, and quite frankly I'm getting fed up of repeating it
You can repeat them as much as you want but repeating something is not answering or explaining.

The trinity is NOT God, it is a doctrine from man to explain the concept of God as revealed in the Bible
Really? Thanks for making that clear I thought it was God (!)(exclamation mark means sarcasm). I know it is not God like Tawheed is not God it is the concept of God. The fact remains no clear evidence of it in your book.

The very idea that God was born or breast fed or indeed carried in the womb for 9 months.. Just goes to show the depth of your misunderstanding.

OK explain to me then, please answer with yes or no
Do you consider Jesus peace upon him God?
Was Jesus born?
Was Jesus breast fed?
Was he carried in the womb for 9 months??

Are these stages not God, he only became God on the cross, and we skip the born part etc, and you pointing finger the blame at Islam is not cutting it Pandora, not sure who you kidding, we do not believe our God is born etc

As for your thread, there is no point on that thread, because you can not explain the trinity, you are trying to make the oneess of God complex. It is simple bring a two year old kid, and tell him God is one, he has no beginning and no end, he is one, no son or father, and then try to explain to him the trinity, God is one the father but he has son, who came to die for our sins and there is holy spirit too but all are one, see which concept he will gasp, and that is the point, you keep telling us our salvation does not depend on trinity, then take Jesus as a messenger not God, because that is the point.


if the only requirement of being considered a Muslim is submitting to God completely, then why are the Jews and Christians who submit to God every day of their lives with sincere hearts and love that knows no bounds not considered muslims?

You Christians follow the law of Jesus peace upon him?
Jesus said
1. He did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it
2. Not and iota or a dot will pass from the law
3. Whoever relaxes one of the commandments and teaches men so shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven!

What do you Christians do nowadays, do you follow the law? no you do not.


Obviously not the People of the Book.. Who always knew God was never born, breast fed or carried in a womb.

YES the Jews do not believe in a born God but you Christians however do, if you telling me you do not believe in Jesus as God then we have nothing to disagree on.

Why the mention of daughters? Who do you have in mind?

I have nothing in mind except that God does not have sons or daughters. Why do you think I have something in mind? Is it more insulting to God having daughters than sons?

Peace be upon those who follow guidance

[pandora]

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no.. They are not three gods, and quite frankly I'm getting fed up of repeating it
You can repeat them as much as you want but repeating something is not answering or explaining.

The trinity is NOT God, it is a doctrine from man to explain the concept of God as revealed in the Bible
Really? Thanks for making that clear I thought it was God (!)(exclamation mark means sarcasm). I know it is not God like Tawheed is not God it is the concept of God. The fact remains no clear evidence of it in your book.

The very idea that God was born or breast fed or indeed carried in the womb for 9 months.. Just goes to show the depth of your misunderstanding.

OK explain to me then, please answer with yes or no
Do you consider Jesus peace upon him God?
Was Jesus born?
Was Jesus breast fed?
Was he carried in the womb for 9 months??

Are these stages not God, he only became God on the cross, and we skip the born part etc, and you pointing finger the blame at Islam is not cutting it Pandora, not sure who you kidding, we do not believe our God is born etc

As for your thread, there is no point on that thread, because you can not explain the trinity, you are trying to make the oneess of God complex. It is simple bring a two year old kid, and tell him God is one, he has no beginning and no end, he is one, no son or father, and then try to explain to him the trinity, God is one the father but he has son, who came to die for our sins and there is holy spirit too but all are one, see which concept he will gasp, and that is the point, you keep telling us our salvation does not depend on trinity, then take Jesus as a messenger not God, because that is the point.


if the only requirement of being considered a Muslim is submitting to God completely, then why are the Jews and Christians who submit to God every day of their lives with sincere hearts and love that knows no bounds not considered muslims?

You Christians follow the law of Jesus peace upon him?
Jesus said
1. He did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it
2. Not and iota or a dot will pass from the law
3. Whoever relaxes one of the commandments and teaches men so shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven!

What do you Christians do nowadays, do you follow the law? no you do not.


Obviously not the People of the Book.. Who always knew God was never born, breast fed or carried in a womb.

YES the Jews do not believe in a born God but you Christians however do, if you telling me you do not believe in Jesus as God then we have nothing to disagree on.

Why the mention of daughters? Who do you have in mind?

I have nothing in mind except that God does not have sons or daughters. Why do you think I have something in mind? Is it more insulting to God having daughters than sons?

Peace be upon those who follow guidance

Huria, God bless and keep you. I see no benefit to either party in continuing repetition of the same points.

1 Corinthians 2:14 (NIV)




14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

I wish you week on your chosen path and pray God guides you to His truth.

Peace unto you.

[pandora]

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Huria, God bless and keep you. I see no benefit to either party in continuing repetition of the same points.

1 Corinthians 2:14 (NIV)




14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

I wish you week on your chosen path and pray God guides you to His truth.

Peace unto you.

I do so wish I was allowed to edit my posts for errors... That should read .. I wish you well on your chosen path..

Peace and blessings.

[huria]

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and pray God guides you to His truth.

Peace unto you.

Amen Pandora, I pray that God guide me to his truth, and I pray for you that God guide you to his truth.

Pandora in the day of judgement God will know who prayed sincerely to be guided to the truth and did not follow his own desires, and who ignored the guidance. I bear witness that we gave you the message, and many times I felt that you were avoiding answering important questions, and diverting topics, etc whatever was your intention God knows it. I wish you well on God’s way, and I pray that he guide you.

I hope you do not end up one of the losers on the day of judgement.

"Shall We tell you who will be the greatest losers in respect of their works? It will be those whose effort went astray in the life of the world and who believe nevertheless that they are doing good. Those are the ones who refused to believe in the revelations of their Lord and that they are bound to meet Him. Hence, all their deeds have come to naught, and We shall assign no weight to them on the Day of Resurrection “ Quran 18: 103-105

peace be upon those who follow the guidance

[pandora]

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Amen Pandora, I pray that God guide me to his truth, and I pray for you that God guide you to his truth.

Pandora in the day of judgement God will know who prayed sincerely to be guided to the truth and did not follow his own desires, and who ignored the guidance. I bear witness that we gave you the message, and many times I felt that you were avoiding answering important questions, and diverting topics, etc whatever was your intention God knows it. I wish you well on God’s way, and I pray that he guide you.

I hope you do not end up one of the losers on the day of judgement.

"Shall We tell you who will be the greatest losers in respect of their works? It will be those whose effort went astray in the life of the world and who believe nevertheless that they are doing good. Those are the ones who refused to believe in the revelations of their Lord and that they are bound to meet Him. Hence, all their deeds have come to naught, and We shall assign no weight to them on the Day of Resurrection “ Quran 18: 103-105

peace be upon those who follow the guidance

Huria, please what important questions did you feel I avoided? And what topics did I divert? Yes... God does know my intention, because God guides my every waking hour of every day. It is to honour His Word and tell His truth... And dispel misconceptions that some have thereof. It does not matter to me or impact in any way on my person weather you chose to read them or may them any heed.

You have not persuaded me to see Islam as truth... The way to do this is not by attempting to destroy my faith, or prove Gods word in the Bible false... Or even by personal insult and ridicule. You would have to prove to me that Jesus was a liar... And He did not mean the things He said. Don't confuse the issue with Isa.. I mean Jesus.. The biblical Jesus. Is it possible for Jesus who is regarded as sinless... Even the Quran attests to His noble and truthful character.. To deceive His followers? I think not.

I have been on this forum quite a time now, and have been fortunate to have a dialogue with many different muslims. At times it has been a rewarding and beneficial experience... I hope mutually beneficial. When there has been a cordial exchange of views and possible misconceptions have been cleared up. Of course for that to occur we have to listen to each other... And respect our differences. Sometimes muslims would do well to listen to a Christian about what they actually believe.. Not what you think they believe.

Peace unto you.