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You refer to prophet Mohammed as the star ?? Many muslims tend to believe that Jesus being the Son of God implies a physical union between God and Mary (I pray that God may forgive my blaspheming by repeating such.. God knows my heart is true Amen) they must have arrived at this conclusion somehow. Besides no offence, but prophet Mohammed's credentials as a true prophet are no more convincing than Joseph Smiths.. From a Christian perspective.



Do you see Christians as polytheists?

***‘We find it said in the case of Cain who murdered his brother, “The voice of thy brother’s bloods crieth” (Gen. 4:10). It is not said here blood in the singular, but bloods in the plural, that is, his own blood and the blood of his seed. Man was created single in order to show that to him who kills a single individual it shall be reckoned that he has slain the whole race, but to him who preserves the life of a single individual it is counted that he hath preserved the whole race.’
Mishnah Sanhedrin, 4:5***



I don't care what some medieval pastor is holding in his hand.. I am telling you he is NOT a Christian because he is acting AGAINST the teachings of Christ.!!!!! Why is it so hard for you to grasp this!! You are talking history here.. Christians were persecuted by other "Christians" and killed horribly and labeled heretics for daring to hold a difference of opinion. They were not acting on Gods authority or following the teachings of Jesus. Thankfully, we've moved on from that dark age.










Luke 19:27
But those mine enemies
Meaning particularly the Jews, who were enemies to the person of Christ, and hated and rejected him, as the King Messiah; and rebelled against him, and would not submit to his government; and were enemies to his people, and were exceeding mad against them, and persecuted them; and to his Gospel, and the distinguishing truths of it, and to his ordinances, which they rejected against themselves:


which would not that I should reign over them;
see ( Luke 19:14 )


bring hither, and slay [them] before me;
which had its accomplishment in the destruction of Jerusalem, when multitudes of them were slain with the sword, both with their own, and with their enemies; and to this the parable has a special respect, and of which Christ more largely discourses in this chapter; see ( Luke 19:41-44 ) though it is true of all natural men, that they are enemies to Christ; and so of all negligent and slothful professors, and ministers of the word, who, when Christ shall come a second time, of which his coming to destroy the Jewish nation was an emblem and pledge, will be punished with everlasting destruction by him; and then all other enemies will be slain and destroyed, sin, Satan, the world, and death: of the first of these the Jews say F14,


``in the time to come the holy, blessed God, will bring forth the evil imagination (or corruption of nature), "and slay it before" the righteous, and the wicked.''
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I'm sure we've discussed this before... So rather than repeat myself I copy and paste for your perusal.. Not that you're bothered.. lol

http://www.biblestudytools.com/comme...uke-19-27.html




Bless you... NO this will not be my punishment as I am not under the Old Testament law this applies to. Neither am I Jewish ..this Law was written for the Jewish people of that time. The clue is actually in the text.. As to who this law was meant for, I guess in your zeal to find another verse that "agrees" with some point you're making... You kinda overlooked that. I do not believe they follow it now. Under the New Covenant that Christians are under, this no longer applies.... So if I left Christianity and accepted Islam tomorrow no one would be coming after me with pockets full of stones. Can you say the same? Just to say at this point.. I am sure neither of us are even contemplating leaving our respective faith. :)

Peace to you.
First : No Muslim said that christians claim that there were a physical intercourse could forbid. We know your understandings and beliefs about Jesus and the trinity so I do not think that throwing such accusations is fair.

Second:Christians in the hereafter will be treated as polytheists for believing in trinity. No matter how you put it it is A ROMAN PAGAN IDEA THAT ALSO EXISTED IN ANCIENT PAGAN RELIGIONS

Third: For the blood section !!! The passaage you quoted contradicts many other passages in the bible!!!such as :
 Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)


"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)


Or this passage is talking about the innocent not during BATTLE where a soldier kills another SOLDIER

The passage you quoted has also a similarity in the quran :
Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.

Surah Al Maidah verse 32

Fourth: As for the medievil monk I say that brother اسلامي عزي shows how easily it is to judge followers of a whole religion based on the actions of just a few. Those indians must have been saying to themselves that christianity is a religion of terror BASED ON THE ACTIONS OF THEIR SLOTERRERS

Fifth:Your interpritation that the parable was talking about the prophecy of the distruction of Jerusalim is False For two reasons :

First : Jesus peace be upon him did actually prophesice the destruction of the temple and the humiliation of the jews for disbelieving however it did not happen infront of him

Second and most importantly is that Jesus was addressing HIS FOLLOWERS NOT THE ROMAN SOLDIERS !!!!!:

The audience of Jesus were followers from the town of Jericho:

1He entered Jericho and was passing through.2And there was a man called by the name of Zaccheus; he was a chief tax collector and he was rich

Luke 19: 1-2


IT then goes on :


7When they saw it, they all began to grumble, saying, "He has gone to be the guest of a man who is a sinner."8Zaccheus stopped and said to the Lord, "Behold, Lord, half of my possessions I will give to the poor, and if I have defrauded anyone of anything, I will give back four times as much."


Luke 19: 7-8


[11While they were listening to this, he went on to tell them a parable, because he was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once.

Luke 19: 11

This passage describe his followers and instructions to them not to romans



As for the destruction of the jews in the second coming . We muslims agree with you 100% . The jews will be the army of the antichrist and jesus peace be upon him will be the leader on the muslim army and he will kill the antichrist :

Anas b. Malik reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said:

The Dajjal would be followed by seventy thousand Jews of Isfahan wearing Persian shawls.
ٍSahih Muslim Book 41, Hadith 7034

Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:

You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me) ; kill him.


Sahih Muslim Book 41, Hadith 6981


Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:

The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.


Saheh Muslim
Book 41, Hadith 6985


​Peace