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i' do not think so !
1- the supposed God of the universe can not win a struggle with One of his creatures ????
Genesis 32 : 26
I already explained Genesis 32:26 here.... http://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/t199631.html

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2- the supposed God can not defend himself against the Roman soldiers who beat & spit on him !
Matthew 27:30
***The Power to Lay It Down - John 10:17-18
"The Father loves me because I give my life. I give my life so that I can get it back again. No person takes my life away from me. I give my own life freely. I have the right to give my life. And I have the right to get it back again. This is what the Father told me."***


Jesus didn't just die; he died with power and authority. His life wasn't taken from him; he laid it down willingly to die for our sins. His crucifixion was an apparent defeat for him, but turned into a lasting defeat for the Satan who sought to use his death to win a victory over God. No one could take Jesus' life. He gave it willingly to save us and purchase us from death. The Cross is God's power demonstrated in humanity's worst forum. It is our glory! You shall remain dead in your sins.

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Sorry, I do not believe in a butcher who order the killing of babies just to achieve his presumed " justice" !
I'm not alone who say this .
the arabic-christian priest named George Khedr shares with me the same opinion !

it is of no importance to me weather you believe in God or not... Or even what your Arabic Christian priest may believe on the subject. It would have been useful if you had included something of his statements on the matter.. Because saying he shares the same opinion as yourself... No offence... But that does not fill me with any confidence... Unless you have misunderstood what he believes as you tend to do with scripture. That is quite possible.

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i ' repeat again : the applauses are not for me - a self congratulation - !
they are for the Bible 's texts supporting my point .
Yes.. But the Bible does NOT support your points.. You just think they do. There's a difference.

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The Bible says the opposite !

the hated woman's firstborn will receive a double portion !
Nope... That's the law as it stood. A bit like the law in regards to inheritance in Islam.. Sons getting the greater share.. No difference here.. So what's your problem?

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the meaning is clear like the mud
Well! that's a shame. You would do well to read the parables of Jesus. You would understand Him the better if you did. Jesus is not the failure the Quran implies. It doesn't matter that you do not believe in Him or love Him.. But you should know He believes in you and loves you. Knock and the door is opened to you.

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again :

For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
Romans 3 : 7
not sure what point you are making here. No matter.

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read this please :

Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary
the slave =
1 -A person who is held in bondage to another; one who is wholly subject to the will of another; one who is held as a chattel; one who has no freedom of action, but whose person and services are wholly under the control of another.

KJV Dictionary Definition: slave


1-A mean person; one in the lowest state of life.
2-One who has lost the poser of resistance; or one who surrenders himself to any power whatever; as a slave to passion, to lust, to ambition.
As slaves of Allah do either of these definitions apply to you? I explained the meaning as understood from the biblical context. That you choose to see a different connotation to this is no surprise.


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the bible says the opposite !
the Jewish law consider woman inferior and unclean during her menstruation !

Leviticus 15 : 19

When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening.
I've deleted your round of applause because quite frankly.. It's yet again out of place. It's not even worth my time and effort explaining what this means.. I will say the same goes for men.. As in the emission of bodily fluids renders them unclean for a time. Are you not applying your double standards here though?? Does the Quran not state that a women who is menstruating should not fast or offer certain prayers and has to make up for what's missed after her menstruating period is over? Does Islam prescribe washing after sexual contact? Should a Muslim man refrain from sexual activity with his wife for a period of time following childbirth? Maybe as the Quran has similar requirements as the Old Testament on these matters it rather makes such comparisons a waste of time.

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please read this :










peace to you.
Yes... Those ancient Patriarchs said some quite ridiculous things. It's a cause for sadness that such misogynistic ideas still permeate societies today.. Even Islamic ones. Where women may well have been granted many equalities in early Islam many women today do not enjoy those equalities. Women historically have always had a raw deal when men have made the rules. At least as a Christian woman I know that I am a spiritually equal with a Christian man before God. That's where it counts. Besides as women in most countries enjoy equal rights under the secular law of the land they live in.. Harping on about what a poor deal women may have had in the Middle Ages rather meaningless.

Always a pleasure never a chore talking with you....

peace to you.