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محمد سني 1989
Again I am not arguing with you about whether Adam sinned or not (disobeyed or not ) Everybody agrees that he ate from the tree , the focus here is on the MAGNITUDE OF BLAME ON EVE AND HOW ADAM AND THE BIBLE PORTRAYES HER PLEASE FOCUS
As for Adam passing blame : Adam passed blame in the bible to Eve not god in Genesis 3:12
The man said, "The woman you put here with me--she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it."
Also according to Genesis 3: 17
17 But to Adam he said,
“Because you obeyed your wife
and ate from the tree about which I commanded you,
‘You must not eat from it,’
cursed is the ground thanks to you;
in painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life.
To answer your question about this passage , Your question does not make sense since it was his listening to Eve that led him to the disobedience of god . Please try to focus here is what god replied in the bible :
But to Adam he said,
“Because you obeyed your wife
and ate from the tree about which I commanded you
As for the last passage Yes god is blaming her :
Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate."
This is because the question was retorical and because gGOD HAS ALREADY ASKED ADAM BEFORE :
12The man said, "The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me from the tree, and I ate."13Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" And the woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate
SO ADAM THREW THE BLAME ON EVE AND GOD ASKED HER RETORICALLY WHAT HAVE YOU DONE ??? PUTTING THE BLAME OF ADAM EATING ON EVE , EVE REPLIED THAT THE SERPENT HAVE DECIEVED HER NOT THEM BUT HER
I think the context is clear enough to everybody
For your last point that is just a claim with no evidence :
first the context does not talk about spiritual death :
17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will surely die.”
Genesis 2: 17
The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit from the trees of the orchard; 3 but concerning the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the orchard God said, ‘You must not eat from it, and you must not touch it, or else you will die.’
Genesis 3: 2-3
The death here is only a physical death since the serpent replies to eve by :
4 The serpent said to the woman, “Surely you will not die, 5 for God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will open and you will be like divine beings who know good and evil.”
So was there openess of eyes spiritual or physical ? it was physical :
7 Then the eyes of both of them opened, and they knew they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
Genesis 3: 7
Second it was god who said they would die not the serpent
Sorry, but what is the point you are trying to make here? Satan was not right in saying "you shall not surely die." God didn't say Adam would die immediately after he ate or touched the fruit; so, He was as right as God always is. When Adam ate, the death process started in his physical body just as it is with us today. As you read this post, you are come that much closer to your physical death. It is written: "It is appoint unto man once to die; after that comes the judgment." We don't fear the judgment after physical death, because we have not be appointed unto wrath, and Jesus took the sting out of death for us. The last Adam (Christ) makes us right with God, and He helps us live perfectly before God as the Lord continually transforms us to the image of His son! We people of the Book know in whom we have believed.
Peace be unto you
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Originally Posted by
Burninglight
Sorry, but what is the point you are trying to make here? Satan was not right in saying "you shall not surely die." God didn't say Adam would die immediately after he ate or touched the fruit; so, He was as right as God always is. When Adam ate, the death process started in his physical body just as it is with us today. As you read this post, you are come that much closer to your physical death. It is written: "It is appoint unto man once to die; after that comes the judgment." We don't fear the judgment after physical death, because we have not be appointed unto wrath, and Jesus took the sting out of death for us. The last Adam (Christ) makes us right with God, and He helps us live perfectly before God as the Lord continually transforms us to the image of His son! We people of the Book know in whom we have believed.
Peace be unto you
Of couse here you ignored my whole response and focussed on just what is physical and so on
You claimed there was a spiritual death in the previous response, this response was just to proves to you that the text is not talking in a retorical way there is only the physical death in the passage
Please read my reply carefully
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