Adam and Eve in the Bible and the Quran

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Jazak Allah khair brother Muhammad, you replied beautifully, I just do not have time to go back and forth with people twisting the truth. A whole doctrine is based on lie, and you do not want to them to lie?

I quote what the bible says, and he says “So you believe Satan is right and God is wrong? That is sad.”
I told you what the Quran says, Satan was lying not God as your bible claim!! And I agree it is very sad, some people believe that.

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. Nice to know their are similarities. Up to this point it appears Islam has perfectly borrowed the information from its source or from where it was documented first.

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I think we have established nothing has accurately been documented in the bible from my thread, who wrote the bible. The bible is like Chinese whisper been changing since it was first written to this day. So really nothing to copy from it thanks!!. The Quran however is not only preserved in written format, it is also memorized by millions to this day.

As I said, I am really pressured with time, especially if people seem to just twist the truth. I rather use my energy in better avenue. I wrote this myself, as it seem to be confusion about the beginning, and that we have copied from the bible lol what is there to copy really!! But every claim like this, it give me more energy to write something on that topic, so hopefully if Allah wills, I will write about
has the Quran borrowed from a corrupted book?

[محمد سني 1989]

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Jazak Allah khair brother Muhammad, you replied beautifully, I just do not have time to go back and forth with people twisting the truth. A whole doctrine is based on lie, and you do not want to them to lie?

I quote what the bible says, and he says “So you believe Satan is right and God is wrong? That is sad.”
I told you what the Quran says, Satan was lying not God as your bible claim!! And I agree it is very sad, some people believe that.





I think we have established nothing has accurately been documented in the bible from my thread, who wrote the bible. The bible is like Chinese whisper been changing since it was first written to this day. So really nothing to copy from it thanks!!. The Quran however is not only preserved in written format, it is also memorized by millions to this day.

As I said, I am really pressured with time, especially if people seem to just twist the truth. I rather use my energy in better avenue. I wrote this myself, as it seem to be confusion about the beginning, and that we have copied from the bible lol what is there to copy really!! But every claim like this, it give me more energy to write something on that topic, so hopefully if Allah wills, I will write about
has the Quran borrowed from a corrupted book?

God bless you huria بارك الله فيك

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[SIZE=5]Jazak Allah khair brother Muhammad, you replied beautifully, I just do not have time to go back and forth with people twisting the truth. A whole doctrine is based on lie, and you do not want to them to lie?

I quote what the bible says, and he says “So you believe Satan is right and God is wrong? That is sad.”
I told you what the Quran says, Satan was lying not God as your bible claim!! And I agree it is very sad, some people believe that.]

It is sad. I know you mean it in the sense that the Bible is the lie, but the Scripture says "Let every man be a liar but God's word is true." You might sincerely believe that you're not saying Satan is right and God is wrong, but inadvertently that is what you're doing. You are sincere, but sincerely wrong, and you patronize me with "I don't have time for this" as if you have the corner on truth and what I share is not true. I am spending time trying correct your misconceptions of Christianity and you act as if your time is better than mine, pfft. Yes, it is very sad.

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I think we have established nothing has accurately been documented in the bible from my thread, who wrote the bible.

The Bible was written by men inspired by God. It is not written the way you believe the Quran was written. You seem to believe God would leave His creation without His uncorrupted word or central message for a thousand + years until he could bring a messenger of Islam to straighten out what needed no correction. This makes no sense to me at all. Joseph Smith tried it and people are sucked into lies by the millions because they are willing to drop the Bible at a drop of the hat.

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The bible is like Chinese whisper been changing since it was first written to this day. So really nothing to copy from it thanks!!. The Quran however is not only preserved in written format, it is also memorized by millions to this day.

Are you sure about that? How can you prove the Quran has been perfectly preserved after those that memorized it were killed in battle and Uthman burn the Qurans only to recompile it in a way to unify Muslims. Besides, who gave Uthman the divine mandate to put the recitation to writing after your prophet's death? Who is the prophet of the Quran? Is it Uthman? and who is Allah's editor? Is it Uthman? The truth is you cannot prove perfect preservation of the Quran; all you have is faith like us Christians, but it certainly matters where you put your faith doesn't it? You must prove the Quran is perfectly preserved not just say what you want people to believe; finally, after you prove that you must prove it is from our Creator. A newspaper can be perfectly preserved, but that doesn't mean it is from God or does it to you?

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As I said, I am really pressured with time, especially if people seem to just twist the truth. I rather use my energy in better avenue. I wrote this myself, as it seem to be confusion about the beginning, and that we have copied from the bible lol what is there to copy really!! But every claim like this, it give me more energy to write something on that topic, so hopefully if Allah wills, I will write about
has the Quran borrowed from a corrupted book?

If you are so pressured for time stop responding with false statements. No one is trying to twist the truth; Everyone on this forum has been sincere. If you had a ounce of discernment, you would have been able to realize it on your own. It appears to me you copied the virgin birth of Jesus from the NT Bible. It was written there first wasn't it? The twisting of truth comes in when you reject the reason the Bible gives for His virgin birth. I can't think of a better way to spend my time than to reach people with the truth or die trying. This may not important to you, because you don't know Jesus or the father!

You are loved, blessing and peace be unto you.

[محمد سني 1989]

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It is sad. I know you mean it in the sense that the Bible is the lie, but the Scripture says "Let every man be a liar but God's word is true." You might sincerely believe that you're not saying Satan is right and God is wrong, but inadvertently that is what you're doing. You are sincere, but sincerely wrong, and you patronize me with "I don't have time for this" as if you have the corner on truth and what I share is not true. I am spending time trying correct your misconceptions of Christianity and you act as if your time is better than mine, pfft. Yes, it is very sad.

The Bible was written by men inspired by God. It is not written the way you believe the Quran was written. You seem to believe God would leave His creation without His uncorrupted word or central message for a thousand + years until he could bring a messenger of Islam to straighten out what needed no correction. This makes no sense to me at all. Joseph Smith tried it and people are sucked into lies by the millions because they are willing to drop the Bible at a drop of the hat.
Are you sure about that? How can you prove the Quran has been perfectly preserved after those that memorized it were killed in battle and Uthman burn the Qurans only to recompile it in a way to unify Muslims. Besides, who gave Uthman the divine mandate to put the recitation to writing after your prophet's death? Who is the prophet of the Quran? Is it Uthman? and who is Allah's editor? Is it Uthman? The truth is you cannot prove perfect preservation of the Quran; all you have is faith like us Christians, but it certainly matters where you put your faith doesn't it? You must prove the Quran is perfectly preserved not just say what you want people to believe; finally, after you prove that you must prove it is from our Creator. A newspaper can be perfectly preserved, but that doesn't mean it is from God or does it to you?

If you are so pressured for time stop responding with false statements. No one is trying to twist the truth; Everyone on this forum has been sincere. If you had a ounce of discernment, you would have been able to realize it on your own. It appears to me you copied the virgin birth of Jesus from the NT Bible. It was written there first wasn't it? The twisting of truth comes in when you reject the reason the Bible gives for His virgin birth. I can't think of a better way to spend my time than to reach people with the truth or die trying. This may not important to you, because you don't know Jesus or the father!

You are loved, blessing and peace be unto you.

First the doctrine of lie in Paul :

1 Corinthians chapter 9 verses 19-22:

19For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more. 20And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; 21To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. 22To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some

2 Corinthians chapter 12:16:
Be that as it may, I have not been a burden to you. Yet, crafty (panourgos) fellow that I am, I caught you by trickery

Romans 3:5-7:
5 But if our unrighteousness demonstrates the righteousness of God, what shall we say? The God who inflicts wrath is not unrighteous, is he? (I am speaking in human terms.) 6 Absolutely not! For otherwise how could God judge the world? 7 For if by my lie the truth of God enhances his glory, why am I still actually being judged as a sinner?

As for the bible the gospel , the gospel was first revealed to jesus peace be upon him then corrupted after god raised for some time : examples:

1. We do not know who wrote the gospels it is credited to people without evidence , people who spoke aramaic and apparantly in the end of their lives learned to read and write Greek!!!

2. The oldest new testement manuscript wich is named p52 a small fragment of the gospel of John dating back to the FIRST HALF OF THE SECOND CENTURY contains some variations

3.The oldest COMPLETE NEW TESTEMENT Codex SinaiticuDating to almost 350 AD conatains multiple multiple variations , such as the resurection story in mark ends at :
”8 And they went out and fled from the tomb, for trembling and astonishment had seized them, and they said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid.

The rest Does not exist , Check it out for yourself :
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...16&version=ESV

As for the Quran < I am surprised by your lack of information :

First : not all of the memorizers of the Quran died in the battle of Yamamah There still were Zaid ibn thabit, Abdullah ibn masud , Ubay ibn kaab , Ali ibn abi talib , Abu bakr and many many muslims
Zaid was the one who wrote the Quran to Abubakr and managed to use that same copy to make multiple copies of it by the order of Uthman may god be pleased with them , Zaid was also ONE OF THE PEOPLE WRITTING TH QURAN DURING THE TIME OF THE PROPHET PEACE BE UPON HIM

Here is how the Quran was gathered :

First the quran was written during the time of muhammed peace be upon him :
Anas said, "The Qur'an was collected in the lifetime of the Prophet () by four (men), all of whom were from the Ansar: Ubai, Mu`adh bin Jabal, Abu Zaid and Zaid bin Thabit." I asked Anas, "Who is Abu Zaid?" He said, "One of my uncles."

ٍSahih Al bukahari Vol. 5, Book 58, Hadith 155

THEN compiled during the time of Abu bakr the first Caliph a YEAR after the death of the prophet :
Narrated Zaid bin Thabit:
Abu Bakr As-Siddiq sent for me when the people! of Yamama had been killed). (I went to him) and found `Umar bin Al- Khattab sitting with him........ Then Abu Bakr said (to me). 'You are a wise young man and we do not have any suspicion about you, and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for Allah's Messenger (). So you should search for (the fragmentary scripts of) the Qur'an and collect it in one book.........So I started looking for the Qur'an and collecting it from (what was written on) palmed stalks, thin white stones and also from the men who knew it by heart, till I found the last Verse of Surat at-Tauba (Repentance) with Abi Khuza`ima Al-Ansari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him. ....... Then the complete manuscripts (copy) of the Qur'an remained with Abu Bakr till he died, then with `Umar till the end of his life, and then with Hafsa, the daughter of `Umar.

Sahih al-Bukhari 4986,Vol. 6, Book 61, Hadith 509
This same copy which was in hafsa's hand was given to uthman to make copies of :

Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to `Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. ........So `Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to `Uthman........They did so, and when they had written many copies, `Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. `Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.

Sahih al-Bukhari 4987,Vol. 6, Book 61, Hadith 510

So as you can see the quran was preserved from the time of the prophet written and then compiled in one copy by zaid ibn thabit during the first caliph a YEAR AFTER THE DEATH OF THE PROPHET and that same copy used to make many copiesof it to distribute it


Peace and May God guide you to the truth