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*اسلامي عزي*
the bible who say YAHWEH makes mistakes - Errors - not me !
God is perfect !
he can not makes mistakes nor sleeps !
This is our belief !
Allah says :
There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the Hearing, the Seeing.
the holy Quran 42 : 11
p.e.a.c.e
Er nope... The Bible does not say YHWH makes mistakes. As YHWH is perfect making mistakes is not a possibility. You just believe the Bible says thus.. Because it suits your purpose to disbelief in its truth. YOU made this claim based on your misunderstanding of scripture.. Then you pass the blame for your short coming in this regard.
It does not work that way.
Peace upon you.
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Originally Posted by
pandora
Er nope... The Bible does not say YHWH makes mistakes. As YHWH is perfect making mistakes is not a possibility. You just believe the Bible says thus.. Because it suits your purpose to disbelief in its truth. YOU made this claim based on your misunderstanding of scripture.. Then you pass the blame for your short coming in this regard.
It does not work that way.
Peace upon you.
Apparantly you have not read your bible :
And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.
Exodus 32: 14
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محمد سني 1989
Apparantly you have not read your bible :
And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.
Exodus 32: 14
I can assure you I have read my Bible. It is you who does not understand the texts.. It seems to be the general state of muslims that only use the Bible to mine quote and constantly use verses out of context. The effort you all put into trying to prove the Word of God is not who He claimed to be and the message the Bible contains is corrupt is astounding. Apart from the fact you for the most part feel your experts on what Christians believe.. Even when Christians tell you otherwise you still don't get the point. Anyway I digress... Exodus 32:14...
A closer meaning to the Hebrew word used... nâcham..is to be sorry, or regret if we look at the whole of the context of Exodus we can easily see that the word "repent" is more accurately meaning sorry.. Or regret.
God never needed to repent as we use the term... As repent applies to sin in mankind. You may think that if is God omniscient would this be compromised by feeling sorry over some decision He has made. As God knows the outcome then just choosing another path would be an accepted course of action. Yet God's omniscience does not mean that God changes His character to pretend that everything is fine when human beings sin. The Bible has many examples of God being sorry because of the rampant sin that mankind had fallen into. ... Not because He could have changed the outcome but did not.. Or regretted not changing the outcome. Even though God knew what was going to happen, He was sad that human beings were thinking only about how to sin more and more. But we are given free will and make choices... Not all those choices are pleasing to God, yet God does not prevent us from making them. When you consider it we have the same reaction to our own children. We are sad when they make bad choices, although if we had it to do over, we would still have brought them into the world... And we still love them despite their mistakes. We hope they learn from their mistakes and do not repeat them.
Since God never sins... He has no need of repentance. God never changes His mind either... but God does warn rebellious people to give THEM the opportunity to change their minds before He judges them.
Peace to you.
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Originally Posted by
pandora
I can assure you I have read my Bible. It is you who does not understand the texts.. It seems to be the general state of muslims that only use the Bible to mine quote and constantly use verses out of context. The effort you all put into trying to prove the Word of God is not who He claimed to be and the message the Bible contains is corrupt is astounding. Apart from the fact you for the most part feel your experts on what Christians believe.. Even when Christians tell you otherwise you still don't get the point. Anyway I digress... Exodus 32:14...
A closer meaning to the Hebrew word used... nâcham..is to be sorry, or regret if we look at the whole of the context of Exodus we can easily see that the word "repent" is more accurately meaning sorry.. Or regret.
God never needed to repent as we use the term... As repent applies to sin in mankind. You may think that if is God omniscient would this be compromised by feeling sorry over some decision He has made. As God knows the outcome then just choosing another path would be an accepted course of action. Yet God's omniscience does not mean that God changes His character to pretend that everything is fine when human beings sin. The Bible has many examples of God being sorry because of the rampant sin that mankind had fallen into. ... Not because He could have changed the outcome but did not.. Or regretted not changing the outcome. Even though God knew what was going to happen, He was sad that human beings were thinking only about how to sin more and more. But we are given free will and make choices... Not all those choices are pleasing to God, yet God does not prevent us from making them. When you consider it we have the same reaction to our own children. We are sad when they make bad choices, although if we had it to do over, we would still have brought them into the world... And we still love them despite their mistakes. We hope they learn from their mistakes and do not repeat them.
Since God never sins... He has no need of repentance. God never changes His mind either... but God does warn rebellious people to give THEM the opportunity to change their minds before He judges them.
Peace to you.
Your whole answer is contrdictory not just with the context of the passage but with itself
First my answer was not based on whether god repented or not but rather as an answer to this statement of yours :
The Bible does not say YHWH makes mistakes. As YHWH is perfect making mistakes is not a possibility. You just believe the Bible says thus.. Because it suits your purpose to disbelief in its truth. YOU made this claim based on your misunderstanding of scripture.. Then you pass the blame for your short coming in this regard.
It does not work that way.
it is about whether the bible shows that god made a mistake or not !!!
Second your whole argument is based upon that repented means sorry or regreted
unfortunatlly for you sorry DOES NOT mean regret nor does it mean repent
sorry is fealing sad about someone , the context suggest that god REGRETTED what he wanted to do
so still in this meaning the bible shows gos as he have made a mistake !!!!!!
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Originally Posted by
محمد سني 1989
Your whole answer is contrdictory not just with the context of the passage but with itself
First my answer was not based on whether god repented or not but rather as an answer to this statement of yours :
The Bible does not say YHWH makes mistakes. As YHWH is perfect making mistakes is not a possibility. You just believe the Bible says thus.. Because it suits your purpose to disbelief in its truth. YOU made this claim based on your misunderstanding of scripture.. Then you pass the blame for your short coming in this regard.
It does not work that way.
it is about whether the bible shows that god made a mistake or not !!!
Second your whole argument is based upon that repented means sorry or regreted
unfortunatlly for you sorry DOES NOT mean regret nor does it mean repent
sorry is fealing sad about someone , the context suggest that god REGRETTED what he wanted to do
so still in this meaning the bible shows gos as he have made a mistake !!!!!!
I truly don't believe the Bible does say God makes mistakes. For sure, I'm sure you can rip a few verses out of context to make it appear that it does.. That won't make any difference to how I view God.. As perfect, supreme being, creator of all we are and all we can ever hope to be... Love personified. This view of God is what the Bible teaches and what His Word Jesus revealed... So although you seek to belittle the Bible.. I don't see my view of God is in any way lacking.. So the Bible can't be all bad as you seem to believe it is.
Peace
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Originally Posted by
pandora
I truly don't believe the Bible does say God makes mistakes. For sure, I'm sure you can rip a few verses out of context to make it appear that it does.. That won't make any difference to how I view God.. As perfect, supreme being, creator of all we are and all we can ever hope to be... Love personified. This view of God is what the Bible teaches and what His Word Jesus revealed... So although you seek to belittle the Bible.. I don't see my view of God is in any way lacking.. So the Bible can't be all bad as you seem to believe it is.
Peace
It is important in a debate to back your claims , I backed mine . Your answer here clearly states what YOU THINK, that itself is a belief or a claim without a proof . I think this comes from the fact that everybody who reads the passage WITHIN THE CONTEXT will come to the same conclusion
I urge you reread the bible
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Originally Posted by
محمد سني 1989
It is important in a debate to back your claims , I backed mine . Your answer here clearly states what YOU THINK, that itself is a belief or a claim without a proof . I think this comes from the fact that everybody who reads the passage WITHIN THE CONTEXT will come to the same conclusion
I urge you reread the bible
The same can be said to you concerning the Quran. You have proved or backed up nothing with this post. Remember the gospel came long before the Quran, and it was what was revealed to us as stated in the Quran; additionally, it is what we must stand on as stated in the Quran; finally, as stated in the Quran, it is all we are expected to do. This part of the Quran we obey and believe is correct. I urge you to read your Quran. the Quran wasn't revealed to us. We are the people of the Book; you are not. Now, if I read the Bible it tells me that if anyone preaches a different gospel than the one we have received, let him be accused. This context is clear. Is it clear to your? We know that people will try to corrupt the holy and central message of the gospel; Islam along with many other religions and cults does this perfectly in my mind's eye.
I urge you to read the Bible!
Peace be unto you.
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