Greetings Nasiir.. I see, although I'm not sure how a prophet not contradicting his message counts as a criteria against falsehood prophethood that one can measure.
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Secondly , he can't possibly die before fulfilling the message . Thirdly , it can't be a woman as Quran says :
Protection from Premature death would be a given, as a prophet would be protected by God until his work was complete. Likewise goes for a woman. We have a number of women prophets mentioned in the Bible.. As in Gods eyes men and women are spiritually equal.. And it's by the spirit we are strengthened. They were strengthened by God for the task He assigned them. Maybe we see the actually "job description" of a prophet differently between our respective faiths? For sure at times it was probably arduous, but God would never make it harder than the person could bear. Also there are many ways of delivering Gods revelation.
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And a woman honestly can't whistand the hardships prophets indured for the message of teh almighty .
As a woman I could take exception to that.. ;) women are certainly no strangers to hardship, in fact in most conflicts women suffer the hardest if blessed with children to care for they suffer on their behalf also. Yet.. Have immense inner strength to prevail over adversity. God made woman as partner to man in matching his outer physical strength by her inner spiritual strength. Through faith we are made strong in any situation God places us in according to His will.
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Then again , I did say that there can't be a prophet after Muhammad peace upon him as this is a pure Islamic belief . As for charecters through history and how to tell if they're prophets or not , we never say who is without an evidence from Quran or Sunnah .
Yes, this is according to your belief and according to mine Jesus said With Him it was finished.. So Christians would not be expecting any prophets after Jesus.. As we do not see what they could add. That's why we must test the prophets and that's why IMHO the Prophet of Islam and Joseph Smith do not meet the criteria that I am told to judge by.
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Wait what ? Which part of what I said do you mean ?
?? I believe you said that because the majority of people were of the opinion Prophet Mohammed was an honest man therefore it follows he must be... Or something to that affect. This is not really accurate or logical.. People can appear to be something they are not and people have been fooled by people like this. Please don't take it as I mean Prophet Mohammed just appeared to be good or honest.. I don't mean that at all. I expect he was all of that. I'm just saying it's not accurate to use it as logical evidence of the fact.
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I beg your pardon ? Where did I say anything about some Da Vinci code or whatever they call it ? Anyway , what I mean when I say miracles on all scales include science , history , future , and others . As for science , it's when Quran or Sunnah tell us facts about things which cannot have been known to people at the time or at least to the prophet . As for history , it's when it tells us things that happened in the past and then we discover that they're true . As for future , these are prophecies of the future which are fulfilled . Some might take vague sayings and claim that they're real prophecies or that they contain scientific miracles , but there are ways to tell the true from false .
where did I mention the Da Vinci code???? I was making a point that mathematical probabilities are part of the order of the universe.. It that way they could be miraculous but being used to claim proof of divinity I think as a theory it falls short as it can equally be found in other books that are certainly not considered divinely inspired. Same goes for science.. And I think muslims some put far too much emphasis on so called scientific proofs when at times they were already known to mankind. It's foolishness.
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I just wanted to say this , but it's not really into the current subject .
Consider it said and consider it read. :)
Understandable .
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In honesty , my faith is based on believing in Islam after seeing proofs of it . Scientific ones come second after the pure message itself . They're additional , but we don't base our belief on them . And that's why there have been many who warn some eager Muslims from interpreting signs to come up with a miracle basing their explanations on theories or hypothesis which might and might not be right . Instead , they should base them on pure and clear facts .
I agree with what you say here. Signs and miracles are one thing, but if you need them to prove your religion is truth.. Then I see no room for faith.
Originally Posted by نصير الدين
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