And you're supposing that splitting the moon doesn't show that Allah is all powerful and nothing is impossible for him ?QuoteNot really, Jesus walking on water shows that He was above nature and all creation. It shows that by faith in God we too can live a miraculous life. Peter got out of his boat with Jesus' permission to walk on water. Living the Christine life is impossible just like walking on water. It shows that all things are possible with God, and that we can do all things through Christ who strengthens us to accomplish a pleasing life to God by God's grace and faith. There is a message; the message walked on water!
Why should we believe by default that your book is holy ? Why should anyone believe that the other's book is holy ? That's where discussions are held . But not now . It's unrelated .QuoteThe Jews didn't know Jesus was to be born of a virgin. The only way the Jews or anyone else learned of this is through the NT Bible which is Holy and Noble. People can say it is corrupted, but they have no proof to show how, when, where, and who and for what reason. Who made money or benefited from corrupting the Bible to say Jesus died to save us from our sin or that we have all sinned and come short of God's glory or that the wages of sin is death but God's gift is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord? This message is stumbling to the Jews first. Why should we accept the Bible is corrupted and the Quran is noble? Mormons say the Book of Mormon is noble and God's last testament. Why should we accept their book and prophet? Do you see what I mean?
There seems to be a gap between your understanding and Pandora's . I just explained here :QuoteGive proof and explain why God wouldn't preserve or guard all His word from the beginning; why the Quran. Did Allah not know man would corrupt His word from the beginning or did he learn by what they did to the torah and gospel. Do you see the problem I am having here?
Everything you asked about is answered in this last quote .QuoteBut when it comes to messages before Islam , they were to their people and time and not the whole humanity . Thus , Allah entrusted them to their people and they are the ones who did the crime and altered what has been revealed to them and hid things . A crime which they will be judged for . But when it comes to the noble Quran , Allah promised to preserve it himself - through means he knows best of - and that is why it can never be altered . That's our belief .
I do . I was asking .QuoteI believe it. You don't? Why?
Financially , materially , you know the roll .QuoteWho said anything about financially?
What's the difference between that and prophets having miracles to show who they are ?Quotewell what reason for splitting the moon? Or a crying log? You ask what benefit to mankind was Jesus walking on water? Most importantly to show His disciples (in this instance) who He was.
That's what we believe in Islam as well . Except the part of Christ peace upon him being one with Allah of course . Hardships , tough times , we are taught to always have faith and be pateint trying to be even the slightest like the prophets who endured countless sorts of harm .QuoteWe know The Lord may not come at the time we think He should come... because He knows when we need Him the most. Jesus had waited until the boat was as far from land... And when all their hope was gone. In essence, Jesus was testing the disciples' faith, and this meant removing every human prop. Jesus walked on the water to show His disciples that the very thing they feared... the raging sea was merely a set of steps for Him to come to them. We often find difficult experiences in life such as illness, loss of loved ones, and financial hardships hard to bear, only to discover that these experiences can bring Jesus closer to us. It's when we are most low and in need He is there for us.
Good , and it's the same with prophets . Anyone can say he's a prophet but only through evidence can that be proved . There were also false prophets during the first years of the Islamic nation who were expoesed for different reasons .QuoteAnd when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down. Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, "Truly you are the Son of God" (Matthew 14:32-33). Jesus did not rebuke them for this as it was His way of bringing them to the understanding of who He was..anybody can say I am Gods son.. But coming to the understanding oneself by evidence given and works done is of greater value in growing in faith with God. Hence the parallel teaching in Isaiah..
Again , we all have our beliefs .QuoteNow, this is not "fake story" ... As such claim has been made by the dear Sister. It is a true understanding of what lesson Christians take from this miracle. You are free to see no meaning or even write it off as nonsense. But you did ask... And you know me and fondness for words.. Sorry for the long post..
Ironically missing the point in honesty . Now let's put this Smith guy - who I don't know at all - aside and focus on the issue . First , it's not how I see things . This is an Islamic belief and a matter of faith . I did say that I won't go into the matter of corruption because I'm no expert . And I repeat again , when we believe that Islam is true through signs and evidence , we believe whatever it says as it cannot be wrong . Some might misunderstand and those of falsehood will surely make slanders , but that's what faith means . It's not a matter of blind belief . And please don't dive into stuff like "You can't prove your faith" because you'd be the same as what you describe of pot and kettle . Faith isn't wrong in itself . Blind faith is .Quoteok, I get that. It is how you see things... Fair enough. However, with no proof of corruption of the previous scriptures then it's impossible to prove Gods previous message was changed in the Old Testament. As we see Christ as the message rather than the messenger.. And Christ lives and is eternal.. Then that message must also be incorruptible. What of Joseph Smith and the revelation of Mormon?... He claimed this message is written on "golden plates" which is in heaven. You see it is a matter of personal faith, and you take on faith that which you cannot prove.
And how come you don't accept this when Islam says it ?QuoteYes, I believe the staff of Moses became a snake. This was Gods way to show the Pharaoh the importance of Moses.. The aim of the miracles (10 plagues) was to show Pharaoh the power of the ONE true God as opposed to the numerous powerless gods the Egyptians worshipped.
Financially , materially , bodily , you know what I mean .QuoteMiracles by by their nature would never bring financial benefit to anyone as God does not deal in cash.
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