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Although we ultimately agree , I don't agree with choosing this verse . It appears to me that she means it hints at "gay" acts . But I don't think it does . Still , we can show it to certain Christians who look at some of our narrations with dirty minds and making conclusions completely unrelated to them . If they think dirty when it comes to Islam , they should do the same with their own book . And the video was about a guy called Butros .


It certainly does not hint at "gay acts".. That you should even think that shows the state of your own dirty minds!!!!! Maybe the dear sister could explain what she meant by the verse or why she thought to choose it and the point she was making in choosing it. Rather than jumping to conclusions. Possibly wrong conclusions..

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Absolutely NOT possible .
then it leaves you with the dilemma not I. You will continue to address Jesus in this manner and it is you that will answer for it at judgement.. I'm ok with that..


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And Christ peace upon him was an exception as he had no father .
Whichever way you cut it.. Jesus had a father and that was God. The only two involved in the creation of Jesus were God and Mary.. Both the Bible and Quran agree on this point. Jesus's being and nature was down to God and Mary.. Where I take exception with the Quran is how it misrepresents the belief Christians held in regarding the conception of Jesus, which implies a physical act making Jesus a biological son of God. This is blasphemy and no Christian would believe such a thing. Something God would also have known.. Seeing as He sees into the hearts, minds and souls of all believers.


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In Islam , adoption is forbidden . And you should know the difference between "Kafalat Alyateem"="Taking care of the orphan" and adoption as you know it . The first one is a great deed while the other , as in making the adopted the same as one's son , is forbidden . Adopting a person doesn't make him your child . Put simply . And I don't "know" that he was his foster parent in the meaning you seek .
Foster parent... One who cares for a child as his or her own. Which Joseph did as he was commanded to do by God. You don't know because it does not tell you so in the Quran... Fair enough. It's clear in the Bible.

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In reality , I think you're seeing an insult in something not insulting . Christ peace upon him is indeed the child of lady Mary , and if some people used that name to accuse him and his mother after seeing the truth of his prophecy with their own eyes and hearing him talk in cradle then it doesn't change a thing and doesn't make their falsehood true . That also didn't happen with the enemies of prophet Muhmmad peace upon him who called him many things . None were true . And if you think that stating he is the child of lady Mary , are you saying he is NOT her child ? And for the record , Allah called different prophets with different names . Moses peace upon him was "Kaleem Allah"="One who speaks with Allah" , Yunus peace upon him was called "Thu Annoon"="One of Noon (An Arabic alphabet OR a whale)" , and others . Calling Isa peace upon him so is the same .
Look! the dear sister asked why it was considered an insult to refer to Lord Jesus as Son of Mary. I explained why that was so .. Why Christians found it offensive. That you do not see this because Allah did not share this information with you .. Is not my problem and does not impact upon my person any. However, for us it is a sin.. If we share the same God then maybe it would be considered a sin for you also, on that you will answer accordingly at the judgement. Talking in the cradle.. That again is difficult for a Christian to accept because of the original source of evidence is doubtful. Again, regarding the Prophets the accounts are different in the Quran and I do not see sound reasons for the differences.. So again I am unable to accept them as authentic.. That's for me.. Obviously for you it's different. :)

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And the evidence that the followers saw it insulting is ? Keep in mind that we're - as we've been doing for a week - talking about the Islamic prespective .
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Well, I already addressed this point.. My response was to the dear sisters query. Which was why it was considered an insult to Lord Jesus from a Christians perspective. You believe what you wish. We all have choice here.

Peace.