Why don't Muslsims believe Jesus is the only way to God?

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Let's not waste time on this and try rather to dispel misconceptions we have about one another's religion. Agreed

So far , I haven't said almost a thing about Christianity . I've been trying to explain OUR belief to you . You on the other hand flooded the topic with an allegation after another while going on "Islam doesn't say the Bible is corrupted" ! So in reality , I'm the one clearing misconceptions - SERIOUS misconceptions - here .

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They are crystal to you. There are Scriptures in the Quran that state we people of the Book are of highest standing, and that we should stand on the Scriptures revealed to us for there is nothing else we can do but stay firm. That is exactly what I am doing. The Quran was never revealed to me nor was the Book of Mormon as Mormons would have me believe.

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Indeed ! You are EXACTLY as Allah describes in this sign :

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It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them].

So if you're gonna ignore what's clear and resort to acrobatic explanations of other signs to suit your liking , you should know that it's your heart that is astray . Red is red and blue is blue . Just because someone doesn't want to believe it doesn't change the fact that they are . How on Earth can you not understand something as simple as this ?! :

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Ibn `Abbas said, "O Muslims? How do you ask the people of the Scriptures, though your Book (i.e. the Qur'an) which was revealed to His Prophet is the most recent information from Allah and you recite it, the Book that has not been distorted? Allah has revealed to you that the people of the scriptures have changed with their own hands what was revealed to them and they have said (as regards their changed Scriptures): This is from Allah, in order to get some worldly benefit thereby." Ibn `Abbas added: "Isn't the knowledge revealed to you sufficient to prevent you from asking them? By Allah I have never seen any one of them asking (Muslims) about what has been revealed to you."

So cowering behind "There are Muslims who interpret it differently" helps you in nothing .

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Now, you know exactly the way I feel again about the Quran. You have different English versions of the Quran as well. And you now know about Uthman. I won't go any further.

If I remember the name , I'd give you a video of Ahmad Deedat answering this slander but I'm more than enough actually . There's somethign called "Version" and there's something called "Translation" . You Christians have different versions with one mentioning a verse and another not mentioning it . And you don't have the original scripture to return to and decide who's right and who's wrong . We on the other hand have ONE scripture of Quran in its original language that nobody disagrees on . A translation is NOT the scripture . It's a "Translation" ! Just because someone has a more accurate translation or the other way around doesn't mean in any way Quran has been altered ! That's why we don't recite Quran in another language (And if you bring up that "Quran is only for Arabians" again , you're gonn get it)
And since you're a coward , you didn't want to read this topic blasting your shameless lie about Uthman may Allah be pleased of him :

https://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/t193322.html

And as usual , instead of answering the argument , you resort to "Well you also have this X problem so I'm right !" . Apparently , you only find security in lying about others . And thus , if those lies are refuted , that security wll faze . And instead of admitting you're wrong about someone else - something that won't affect your belief in any way - you either make another slander or show extreme stubborness .

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What is so low about saying I respect that you believe what you do or my believing that Islam is an Arabic religion, or that the Quran says we Christians must stand on what has been revealed to us for we can do no other. You rudely say I am going low and it is in my DNA, and you didn't answer my question. Do you know the Quranic verse I am referring to?

What's lowly is to escape a point into more and more baseless allegations instead of facing it . I know the sign and know that you interpret it absolutely wrongly . And I won't let you drag things astray from the main point you made this thread for .

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Yes, leading the Jews to believe that Jesus died and knowing that it would result in multiple billions going to hell for believing a lie Allah made to look true is not a god I want to serve.

You're talking as if Allah is the one who deceived them . You completely ignore the other possibility - which I DID address in the last post ! - which is that evil doers are the ones who made a religion of it . Allah deluded the Jews into believing they killed Christ . He didn't tell people that he - who they thought dead - rose from the dead or that they should worship him . THEY are the ones who chose falsehood . You don't differ from an Atheists who looks at the crimes of Stalin and Mao - who are ironically Atheists too - and blames the creator for it and make them look like innocent deers .

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You shouldn't take it personally. I don't take it personally when you cut down the Bible and Christianity

A blunt lie . I haven't insulted your religion at all . I just mentioned my religion saying it is false and its book is corrupted . If you compare that to your lack of manners , you should say the same about your religion and all other religions as each one says it's the way to salvation and the rest are the doing of mankind or the devil . Maybe you lack faith so much as to smile and laugh when someone badmouthes your religion but we are not . Indeed , Allah can doom you all on the spot if you dare even say a single bad word about Islam , but he tests people and also gives wrong doers time to repent , and if they don't , their punishment is harsher . That doesn't mean however to be a cold blooded reptile .

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My God can defend himself. He doesn't need me fighting His battles.

And that's why a human fought and defeated him . Then again , he died , so why not ? A nice attempt to hide insolence behind "belief" .

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I never said that Islam is a joke; go back and reread, and be honest for a change. I said it is a joke for Muslims to expect Christians to believe that someone died for Jesus instead of Him dying for our sin to save us from eternal damnation, and I'll say it again; so, warn all you want.

A nice - and miserably failing - way to say the same thing differently .

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Now you are arguing with the dictionary. You just want to argue. I am not interested sister in arguing with you and I won't fall into you waste time traps.

Visit a doctor for your eyes pal , you're talking with a male . And just because it's a "dictionary" doesn't make right by default . It didn't even explain the word according to language . It explained it according to people's usage of it . As said , we don't "apologize" . And regardless of what your vague terms mean , leave them to yourselves . We're clear on what we name .

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There is never an excuse to be rude. This is the bottom line.

There's a meaning to put words between (") . That's the bottom line .

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So far , I haven't said almost a thing about Christianity. I've been trying to explain OUR belief to you . You on the other hand flooded the topic with an allegation after another while going on "Islam doesn't say the Bible is corrupted" ! So in reality , I'm the one clearing misconceptions - SERIOUS misconceptions - here .

First of all, my apologies for thinking you were a sister, but since your not, I'll continue to playing hardball with you brother of humanity. I 'll concede that Islam states the Bible is corrupted even though it has no proof when, where, how and who benefited from such an untruth. If it is corrupted, then so is the Quran especially when Islam says Allah's word is unalterable; moreover, you might think you've said nothing about Christianity, but from where I stand, nothing could be further from the truth. I see Islam as a religion that is a reaction to its misconceptions of Christianity, and it begins with your god and his slave who tells us not to say three, but he doesn't know who the three are that we are not to say from what can be inferred logically from the Quran. I can tell just by the way Allah questions Jesus: "Did you say take you and your mother for two gods besides me? This would make Allah the third of the three as Allah said, "they do disbelieve who say Allah is the third of three." Allah challenges me to find a discrepancy in his words, and I accept. Allah, I would like to know who has made you the third of three or who has made the son, mother and father a trinity with you being the third?
There is no such three in Christianity, and we don't know from what you imply you mentioned in your question to Jesus; for instance, who might consider Mary or the mother of Jesus part of the three you tell people to desist from saying. Allah you never mentioned the Holy Spirit who is the third person of God's tri unity in Christianity. In light of this, I would still like to know why don't Muslims accept Jesus as the only way to the father, and who could possible make money corrupting the Scripture to say lies? Why would the apostles and others risk their lives to preach a tale? Where logic and reason God gave me fail here they seem to succeed with you. "Facebalm"

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Indeed ! You are EXACTLY as Allah describes in this sign :

So if you're gonna ignore what's clear and resort to acrobatic explanations of other signs to suit your liking , you should know that it's your heart that is astray . Red is red and blue is blue . Just because someone doesn't want to believe it doesn't change the fact that they are . How on Earth can you not understand something as simple as this ?!


So cowering behind "There are Muslims who interpret it differently" helps you in nothing .

No Christian on this forum has coward and you know it. You are exactly as the Scriptures describe: For the preaching of the cross is to those who perish foolishness, but unto us that are saved it is the power of God 1 Corn. 1:18

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If I remember the name , I'd give you a video of Ahmad Deedat answering this slander but I'm more than enough actually . There's somethign called "Version" and there's something called "Translation" . You Christians have different versions with one mentioning a verse and another not mentioning it . And you don't have the original scripture to return to and decide who's right and who's wrong . We on the other hand have ONE scripture of Quran in its original language that nobody disagrees on . A translation is NOT the scripture . It's a "Translation" ! Just because someone has a more accurate translation or the other way around doesn't mean in any way Quran has been altered ! That's why we don't recite Quran in another language (And if you bring up that "Quran is only for Arabians" again , you're gonn get it)
And since you're a coward , you didn't want to read this topic blasting your shameless lie about Uthman may Allah be pleased of him :

https://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/t193322.html

I looked at your source. Can you tell me why Uthman didn't use memory to recompile the Quran, and why was the support text (Hafsah's copy) he used destroyed, and please while you're at it tell me who gave the non prophet Uthman the divine mandate to put the Quran to writing much less edit it; IOW, how does one get write out of say or recite??? "Facebalm"

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And as usual , instead of answering the argument , you resort to "Well you also have this X problem so I'm right !" . Apparently , you only find security in lying about others . And thus , if those lies are refuted , that security wll faze . And instead of admitting you're wrong about someone else - something that won't affect your belief in any way - you either make another slander or show extreme stubborness .

What's lowly is to escape a point into more and more baseless allegations instead of facing it . I know the sign and know that you interpret it absolutely wrongly . And I won't let you drag things astray from the main point you made this thread for .

The shoe fits you much better here.

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You're talking as if Allah is the one who deceived them .

Tell me, who made it appear that Jesus died? I rest my case. "Facebalm"

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You completely ignore the other possibility - which I DID address in the last post ! - which is that evil doers are the ones who made a religion of it . Allah deluded the Jews into believing they killed Christ . He didn't tell people that he - who they thought dead - rose from the dead or that they should worship him . THEY are the ones who chose falsehood . You don't differ from an Atheists who looks at the crimes of Stalin and Mao - who are ironically Atheists too - and blames the creator for it and make them look like innocent deers .

A blunt lie . I haven't insulted your religion at all . I just mentioned my religion saying it is false and its book is corrupted . If you compare that to your lack of manners , you should say the same about your religion and all other religions as each one says it's the way to salvation and the rest are the doing of mankind or the devil . Maybe you lack faith so much as to smile and laugh when someone badmouthes your religion but we are not . Indeed , Allah can doom you all on the spot if you dare even say a single bad word about Islam , but he tests people and also gives wrong doers time to repent , and if they don't , their punishment is harsher . That doesn't mean however to be a cold blooded reptile .

Why would Christians go around bearing witness to a lie at the peril of their lives and why would Allah wait hundreds of years later to set the record straight with the Quran if it were contrived? Logic and reason fails here, but you are willing to believe it. I cannot.

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And that's why a human fought and defeated him . Then again , he died , so why not ? A nice attempt to hide insolence behind "belief" .

God let him win to accomplish His will and purposes. It is like a father letting his child beat him at something. It is sad that I have to spoon feed you something you should be able to figure out yourself.

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A nice - and miserably failing - way to say the same thing differently .

And just because it's a "dictionary" doesn't make right by default . It didn't even explain the word according to language . It explained it according to people's usage of it . As said , we don't "apologize" . And regardless of what your vague terms mean , leave them to yourselves . We're clear on what we name .

I spoke the truth in love; why are you are being obtuse?

Peace & blessings to you
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