I am attempting to explain what importance Christians place on the Covenants. I started another thread with this in mind, I don't know if you have seen it.. Or find it worthwhile or of interest to pursue. The only references I have found that mention covenants in the Quran apply to the Jews and Christians and are found in the first instance in the Bible. These suras are mainly critique and admonishment of the Jews and Christians not upholding the covenants. I can find nothing on covenants between God and muslims. It does not appear that Mohammed never authored a covenant like the Biblical prophets. I confess the suras may be there and I just have not found them. Maybe you can enlighten me on that point. I really do not see that the five pillars constitute a covenant. I believe we have established that muslims may see themselves adopted into the Abrahamic Covenant through Ismael, yet you do not uphold the conditions and so have in effect broken it.
This is about as clear as mud to me! How can you make a claim that what wasn't said is more important than what we know was recorded to be said??? How do you actually know what wasn't said? I think I mentioned already that the concept of the trinity is not based on any particular verses in any particular books.. But on study of the Bible as a whole. Cherry picking a verse and claiming that it does not mention the trinity therefore it cannot have meant to imply the concept of the trinity is not going to bring anything to your case. Besides which the word "trinity" is not found in the Bible at all I don't think you would ever find a Christian that would say it was.QuoteWell, the point is that what wasn't said is much more important, I don't see that these verses imply the Trinity in the way you believe in, it just mentions the son and the Holy Spirit, neither does it say they are God nor that they are one with the Father.
Three different entities interacting with each other... This is what you chose to take from this verse... However the Bible does support the trinitarian view of God, and this view does not in any way detract from Gods ONENESS. I don't see this concept is that hard to understand though not easy to put into words.. :) God chooses to communicate with mankind.. But as it's not possible for us to fully comprehend God, then God has to communicate in a manner we can understand.. This being through His Word and His will.. This is not hard to grasp as we also use words and will (actions) to make ourselves understood and communicate with each other. As God is greater than His creation why would you assume that God is limited in How He chooses to communicate with us.. Why could God not send His Word in the form of a man..? Why could God not send His Spirit to affect our actions? What makes you doubt that the Old Testament prophets received their message through Gods Word? But God had not judged the time to be right for His Word to be made flesh in Jesus?QuoteNo not necessary a unity, they are just three different entities interacting with each other.
As we said already this is what you choose to take from these verses. Your heart is already hardened against seeing anything else.. You don't see it because you don't want to see it. That could be that God has not opened your heart and mind to that possibility or something is preventing you from seeing it. I see Islam as muslims seeking to find God I see Christianity as God showing how he can be found. Allah seems distant and aloof.. And I struggle to see how it is possible to have a relationship in community with Allah whereas With YHWH of the Bible I see God wishing to communicate with His creation through love, Jesus was the biggest act of agape love for all mankind... Gods gift to enable us to make ourselves right before God. We can only pray for divine guidance that our paths are clear.QuoteWell, I didn't say that these verses negate God's unity all what it says is there is no Trinity and only the Father is God.
Peace and blessings.
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