...Bible Compared to Quran by Yusuf Estes & Dr. Gary Miller.....

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Frankly speaking I can not answer on behalf of those respectful eminent scholars. Of course they have stronger answers than mine.
I would rather write an answer to your post since I copied and pasted their precious article to our forum.


You make your hopes for any kind of unbiased article evaporated. The article is never "unbiased" you think it this way.
Concerning the meaning, I am sure they know the meaning, both of them were Christian missionaries and preachers, and I am sure they know more than me and you.

Yes, what ever the meaning is, it never changes the right that this book is man made. I do not know if (God) ordered the christian priests (during the early christianity) to make a book of (Old and New Testament, Hebrew Torah "Tanakh" and four Gospels)!
The meaning is the appearance, but what is important here is the core and important questions about the content.


You say "Then they have the utter face by starting of with bold claims that they do not wish to put down or desecrete the Holy Bible". Instead of writing this sentence it was better for you and all of us to write an answer to them not accusing them. Yes those " bold claims" are from Bible and to Bible. They use Bible to judge Bible. They raise objections to your belief in the Bible as a perfect book from God, but those objections are very accurate.
What amazes me is that some Christians run to accuse (Old Testament) of being fallible word of God to save their New Testament.

The Gospels were not written by eye witnesses, and there is time gap between the Gospels them selves and between Jesus and the Gospels. The absence of original copy in Aramaic language, the differences and contradictions between the books are ruining the belief that (Bible) is from God.

Where is the genuine copy of your Bible?
What language were the Gospels originally written in? Greek or Aramaic?

What was Jesus native language? Aramaic. Them why were the gospels written in Greek?

Imagine this series: from Aramaic to Hebrew, then from Latin to Greek, then from Latin to English, Arabic, Chinese, Polish......etc. How many mistakes and mistranslation and changes were made.

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~"Bible" is NOT in the Bible~

and my hopes for any kind of unbiased article evaporated. How on earth can someone who claimed to be a Christian at some point in their life.. And even a "learned Christian" at that make such a crass error!!!! Have they no comprehension as to what the term Bible means? Biblos... Meaning collection of books, which is what the Bible is... A collection of books.
Then they have the utter face by starting of with bold claims that they do not wish to put down or desecrete the Holy Bible... Then they go ahead and do just that!!

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Frankly speaking I can not answer on behalf of those respectful eminent scholars. Of course they have stronger answers than mine.
I would rather write an answer to your post since I copied and pasted their precious article to our forum.

Their answers are really no stronger than your own. It is their opinion based on their own point of view. This point of view is not shared by billions of Christians worldwide and so in the grand scheme of things counts for very little. At least from a Christian prospective.. Obviously muslims will continue to set great store by the opinions of such "scholars" I hesitate to use the term scholar, after all one mans scholar is another mans charlatan.

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You make your hopes for any kind of unbiased article evaporated. The article is never "unbiased" you think it this way.
Concerning the meaning, I am sure they know the meaning, both of them were Christian missionaries and preachers, and I am sure they know more than me and you.

what they once claimed to be means very little, in fact for any Christians who views themselves as part of the living gospel such claims ring hollow. For anyone who sees themselves as part of the living gospel knows there is no turning from this road, God has set our path. There are a great many people who claim to be Christian but in reality they are so far from the teachings and understanding of Christ Jesus they may as well tread another path it would be better for them. I find it strange that some members here revile "Christian missionaries" above all else, and yet when one turns coat he becomes an eminent scholar over night. You are welcome to these eminent gentlemen.

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Yes, what ever the meaning is, it never changes the right that this book is man made. I do not know if (God) ordered the christian priests (during the early christianity) to make a book of (Old and New Testament, Hebrew Torah "Tanakh" and four Gospels)!
The meaning is the appearance, but what is important here is the core and important questions about the content.

I do know that in my heart of hearts the God inspired the Bible. The message we have today is what we as Christians are meant to have. Christians have faith in their scriptures as you muslims have in yours. It amazes me that you should think we would not, as I'm sure if I was to suggest to you that your belief in the Quran was misplaced you would quite rightly be horrified. That's the nub of the question... It comes down to faith, true faith remains steadfast... Because it requires absolute trust in Gods ability to guide the souls of His creation is greater than the one who opposes him... Satan.

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You say "Then they have the utter face by starting of with bold claims that they do not wish to put down or desecrete the Holy Bible". Instead of writing this sentence it was better for you and all of us to write an answer to them not accusing them. Yes those " bold claims" are from Bible and to Bible. They use Bible to judge Bible. They raise objections to your belief in the Bible as a perfect book from God, but those objections are very accurate.
What amazes me is that some Christians run to accuse (Old Testament) of being fallible word of God to save their New Testament.

my criticism of the "scholars" and their article may have been harsh, and unchristian in nature, for that I ask the Lords forgiveness. They, like us all, will answer for their actions before almighty God.

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The Gospels were not written by eye witnesses, and there is time gap between the Gospels them selves and between Jesus and the Gospels. The absence of original copy in Aramaic language, the differences and contradictions between the books are ruining the belief that (Bible) is from God.

Where is the genuine copy of your Bible?
What language were the Gospels originally written in? Greek or Aramaic?

What was Jesus native language? Aramaic. Them why were the gospels written in Greek?

Imagine this series: from Aramaic to Hebrew, then from Latin to Greek, then from Latin to English, Arabic, Chinese, Polish......etc. How many mistakes and mistranslation and changes were made.

Really, this means very little... The oldest copies we have in existence owe their presence to an original manuscript. The question you should ask is how reliable do we believe the scribes who penned the copies were? Based on evidence we have we have every reason to believe they were meticulous in their work, after all they believed they were dealing with the Word of God. Here is a link on evaluating the evidence.. I hope you read it.

http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/bib-docu.html

peace to you.