Tawhid in the Holy Bible and Islam

[bahiraomar]

Salam brothers and Muhammad,

Why Ibn Allah is equal to Allah? Because they have divine nature/essense.

Bahira

[bahiraomar]

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

Like I said, “If you think the Holy Trinity is hard to explain, try explaining the “Oneness of Allah”.



It does not matter whether you are a Jew, a Christian, or a Muslim. It does not even matter whether you are an atheist. There is one thing we all agree upon. Truth is absolute. In fact Enver Khorasanee, a Muslim in this forum, said this about absolute: “You come to an absolute by testing, testing, and testing.”Her statement corresponds with the definition of “Absolute Truth”.



Absolute truth is defined as that which matches reality or that which corresponds to its object. If all people (Jews, Christians, Muslims, atheists) agree that “Absolute truth is that which matches reality,” then the Holy Trinity matches reality, because of its many realities in nature such as pure light that is made of green, red, and yellow lights or the Atom that is made of three sub-atomic particles: Protons, electrons, and neutrons.



You must show us the absolute reality of Allah in terms of his “total aloneness with and within himself” by matching him with that which is real, because absolute truth, according to all peoples, must match reality. In other words absolute truth must match that which exists in nature as a real thing.



Like I said, “If you think the Holy Trinity is hard to explain, try explaining the “Oneness of Allah” by showing illustrations. It does not exist. It is not real. It is not an absolute truth. There is no such thing as the “Total aloneness of Allah with and within himself”.



God is one — a whole. But He is a plural within Himself. Walid Ashoor explains it perfectly by sending us the following which says, “God is a family within Himself.” His explanating matches reality — a reality in nature.



Listen to Walid Ashoor, a Muslims, explained how God is a “uni-plural” which means a “One with many within”: “The English word for God here comes from the Hebrew word elohiym {el-o-heem'}. This is not a singular noun, it is a plural noun. Strong's Concordance notes that elohiym is the plural of elowahh [GOD]. This is why God says "us" later in Genesis. God refers to God in the plural. Gen. 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: … KJV. The Hebrew word elohiym is a uni-plural noun. Examples of English uni-plural nouns would be group, church or family. In one family, there is more than one member.”



You are right, Walid. You are absolute right. God is a unit-plural which means “a one with many within”. That is the one that matches reality. That is the one that matches absolute truth, because an absolute truth is that which matches reality or something that is real.



If you think the “Total aloneness of Allah with and within himself” is real, then match him with reality — something in nature that exists. It is at this point a Muslim may say, “I do not want to be a part of this discussion.”

[bahiraomar]

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

Hello Muslims,



Here is the challenge: Can you separate the “Oneness of Allah” from the “Oneness of earth” with and by illustrations? Can you show us something in nature that is a “one with and within itself” and has no multiplicity or plurality within itself?



Ahmed El Abd wrote: “There is no challenge in what you have sent Sazie as you still and repeatedly insisting to deal with God With a human brain and human science logics.”





That is sad, Ahmed — very sad; because had God not intended to be fully known by man, He would not have revealed Himself to man as comprehensively as He did.





Walid wrote: “I read Sazies challenge, and i think all what he is saying is that Trinity is a fact. Actually his challenge is not a challenge, simply because you can not compare the Creator with the created…”





That is also sad, Walid — very sad; because you missed the point. There are many things that are one. But they all have multiplicity or plurality within. So to say that Muhammad’s god is one does not really mean much unless you can you show us something in nature that is a “one with and within itself” and has no multiplicity or plurality within itself?



If we must replace the Holy Trinity with the “total aloneness of Allah”, then you must explain the “total alones of Allah” by giving us illustrations in the same wey we have given you illustrations of the Holy Trinity.




Again, can you show us something in nature that is a “one with and within itself” and has no multiplicity or plurality within itself?