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[tamer2002]

اقتباس

Hello
you admit why I just said.
i also said that the quran acuses the jews only for changing the context\meaning of the toranic-text. and not for changing to toranic text itself.
there fore, i still ask what i asked at start..
blessings!
BTW

today is passover, it's a whole humanity celebration! so happy holiday to you all my brothers!

No mr. eshcolot Quran said that Jews made a foure types of changes in torah

ذكر القرآن الكريم 4 طرق لتحريف التوراة
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الطريقة الأولى للتحريف تغيير أماكن بعض الكلمات

First one is (changes of the places of some words ... pervert the words (of the Torah) from their (root) places )


46. And some among the Jews pervert the words (of the Torah) from their (root) places and say: We have heard but we disobey, and (also say): Listen! (God forbid!) May you not be listened to, and twisting their tongues, scoffing at Din (Religion) they say: Raina. And, (instead,) if they had said: We have heard and obeyed, and (Your Eminence! Please) give audience (to our request) and bless us with a (benevolent and kind) look, that would have been better for them and (this utterance) would have been right and appropriate (too) but Allah has cursed them owing to their disbelief. So they do not believe except a few. - Sora an-Nisaa (Women)

مِّنَ الَّذِينَ هَادُواْ يُحَرِّفُونَ الْكَلِمَ عَن مَّوَاضِعِهِ وَيَقُولُونَ سَمِعْنَا وَعَصَيْنَا وَاسْمَعْ غَيْرَ مُسْمَعٍ وَرَاعِنَا لَيًّا بِأَلْسِنَتِهِمْ وَطَعْنًا فِي الدِّينِ وَلَوْ أَنَّهُمْ قَالُواْ سَمِعْنَا وَأَطَعْنَا وَاسْمَعْ وَانظُرْنَا لَكَانَ خَيْرًا لَّهُمْ وَأَقْوَمَ وَلَكِن لَّعَنَهُمُ اللّهُ بِكُفْرِهِمْ فَلاَ يُؤْمِنُونَ إِلاَّ قَلِيلاً 46 – النساء


وهنا يتضح أن التغيير كان بتبديل بعض مواضع الكلمات بالتقيدم والتأخير ووضع هذه مكان تلك
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second (Changing or adding another words )

الطريقة الثانية للتحريف تغيير الكلمات نفسها وبالتالي تغيير المعنى ككل ( وهو التحريف الذي ادعيت عدم وجود آيات أو دليل من القرآن على حدوثه

This time the word it self had changed to anther or even disappeared (This is the way you claim there is no verses in the Qur'an )


41. O Messenger! Those, who (advance) fast into disbelief, should not grieve you. (Firstly) they include those (hypocrites) who utter from their mouth: We believe, while their hearts have not accepted faith. (Secondly) among them are the Jews. They listen to (you) eagerly to fabricate lies. They (in fact) hear (to spy) for others who have not (yet) come to you. (They are the people) who change the Words (of Allah even) after their contexts (are fixed and) say: If you are given this (command which they like), take it, and if you are not given this (command), then keep off (it). And if Allah adjudges someone to go astray then you do not have any power for him (to hold up the Command of) Allah. They are the ones whose hearts Allah has no intention whatsoever to purify. For them there is ignominy (of disbelief) in this world and mighty punishment in the Hereafter.

يَا أَيُّهَا الرَّسُولُ لاَ يَحْزُنكَ الَّذِينَ يُسَارِعُونَ فِي الْكُفْرِ مِنَ الَّذِينَ قَالُواْ آمَنَّا بِأَفْوَاهِهِمْ وَلَمْ تُؤْمِن قُلُوبُهُمْ وَمِنَ الَّذِينَ هِادُواْ سَمَّاعُونَ لِلْكَذِبِ سَمَّاعُونَ لِقَوْمٍ آخَرِينَ لَمْ يَأْتُوكَ يُحَرِّفُونَ الْكَلِمَ مِن بَعْدِ مَوَاضِعِهِ يَقُولُونَ إِنْ أُوتِيتُمْ هَذَا فَخُذُوهُ وَإِن لَّمْ تُؤْتَوْهُ فَاحْذَرُواْ وَمَن يُرِدِ اللّهُ فِتْنَتَهُ فَلَن تَمْلِكَ لَهُ مِنَ اللّهِ شَيْئًا أُوْلَئِكَ الَّذِينَ لَمْ يُرِدِ اللّهُ أَن يُطَهِّرَ قُلُوبَهُمْ لَهُمْ فِي الدُّنْيَا خِزْيٌ وَلَهُمْ فِي الآخِرَةِ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ 41

وهناك فرق بين يحرفون الكلم من بعد مواضعة والآيات السابقة يحرفون الكلم عن موضعه .. أي الأولى يحرف الكلام بتبديل كلمة مكان كلمة أو وضع كلمة شبيهة ... أما يحرفون الكلم من بعد موضعه فهو تحريف كامل وتام للمعنى .. وسوف نأتي للحالة الثالثة وهي تفسير حسب الهوى والرابعة كتمان الحق وإخفاء الآيات الدالة على نبوة رسول الله

The first verses talking about changing in the places of the word the second is changes in the words


13. Then We laid Our curse on them because of their breach of promise (i.e. they were deprived of Our Mercy), and We made their hearts callous (i.e. they were deprived of guidance and susceptibility. So,) they change the Words (of Allahs Book) from their (right) places and have forgotten a (major) portion of that (guidance) which they were urged upon. And you will continue being informed about one or the other of their treachery, except a few of them (who have embraced faith). So pardon them and forbear. Indeed Allah loves the benefactors. - Sora al-Maaidah (the Table spread) .

فَبِمَا نَقْضِهِم مِّيثَاقَهُمْ لَعنَّاهُمْ وَجَعَلْنَا قُلُوبَهُمْ قَاسِيَةً يُحَرِّفُونَ الْكَلِمَ عَن مَّوَاضِعِهِ وَنَسُواْ حَظًّا مِّمَّا ذُكِّرُواْ بِهِ وَلاَ تَزَالُ تَطَّلِعُ عَلَىَ خَآئِنَةٍ مِّنْهُمْ إِلاَّ قَلِيلاً مِّنْهُمُ فَاعْفُ عَنْهُمْ وَاصْفَحْ إِنَّ اللّهَ يُحِبُّ الْمُحْسِنِينَ 13

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Third putting a different (changing the meaning )


75. (O Muslims!) Do you expect that they (the Jews) will believe in you whereas amongst them were people of a group who heard the Word of Allah (Taurat [the Torah]) then altered it (themselves) after understanding it, although they knew well (what the Truth was and what they were doing)

Here, the third type of distortion is what you stated, and I mean distortion of the meaning or the text

أَفَتَطْمَعُونَ أَن يُؤْمِنُواْ لَكُمْ وَقَدْ كَانَ فَرِيقٌ مِّنْهُمْ يَسْمَعُونَ كَلاَمَ اللّهِ ثُمَّ يُحَرِّفُونَهُ مِن بَعْدِ مَا عَقَلُوهُ وَهُمْ يَعْلَمُونَ 75 – البقرة


وهنا النوع الثالث من التحريف وهو ما ذكرته أنت , ويعني تحريف المعنى أو النص

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fourth ( concealing some of the truth that they know )

159. Surely, those who conceal the manifest Signs and guidance sent down by Us after We have revealed them clearly for the people in (Our) Book, it is they whom Allah curses (i.e. deprives them of His Mercy) and whom curse all those also who curse. -Sora al-Baqarah

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يَكْتُمُونَ مَا أَنزَلْنَا مِنَ الْبَيِّنَاتِ وَالْهُدَى مِن بَعْدِ مَا بَيَّنَّاهُ لِلنَّاسِ فِي الْكِتَابِ أُولَئِكَ يَلعَنُهُمُ اللّهُ وَيَلْعَنُهُمُ اللَّاعِنُونَ 159 – البقرة

174. Indeed those who conceal (those verses of the Torah) which Allah has revealed and take in exchange for that a small price eat nothing but fill their bellies with Fire. And Allah will not even speak to them nor purify them on the Day of Resurrection. And for them is painful torment. -Sora al-Baqarah

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يَكْتُمُونَ مَا أَنزَلَ اللّهُ مِنَ الْكِتَابِ وَيَشْتَرُونَ بِهِ ثَمَنًا قَلِيلاً أُولَئِكَ مَا يَأْكُلُونَ فِي بُطُونِهِمْ إِلاَّ النَّارَ وَلاَ يُكَلِّمُهُمُ اللّهُ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ وَلاَ يُزَكِّيهِمْ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ 174 – البقرة

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Frankly, I do not think you are Jewish, even if you are Jewish, I do not think you want to know and understand Islam, because many of the Jews Baalmon exactly what is the truth .. But they are proud of themselves and claim to be God's children and loved ones and the rest of the people must be their slaves. Has been taken in the idea Vodilthm on the way and always will make them arrogant and leave the Covenant. Where they do not care for us, recent and halal for them to kill our children and our women and elders of us. According to the teachings of the Torah distorted.
Is it conceivable that any book divine order to kill women, children and elderly animals to burn? I hope that you are a Jew really (I doubt you as well) to read and reflect very well what in the Bible and then tell us what we believe in the end

I ask indulgence in having doubts about you, but there is a large wall of mistrust always makes me doubt the phenomena of things, so do I determine the truth

العديد من اليهود بعلمون تمام العلم أين الحقيقة .. لكنهم فخورين بأنفسهم ويدعون أنهم أبناء الله وأحباؤه وأن باقي البشر يجب أن يكونوا عبيدا لهم وقد أعجبتهم تلك الفكرة فأضلتهم عن السبيل وستجعلهم دائما متكبرون وناقضون للعهد حيث أنهم لا يرقبوا فينا إلا ولا ذمة وحلال لهم قتل أطفالنا ونسائنا والشيوخ منا . حسب تعاليم التوراة المحرفة .. وهل يعقل لكتاب سماوي في العالم أن يأمر بقتل النساء والأطفال والشيوخ حتى البهائم تحرق ؟ أرجوا إن كنت يهوديا فعلا وإن كنت أشك أ تقرأ وتتدبر جيدا ما في التوراة ثم تخبرنا بما تؤمن في النهاية
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