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    جزاكم الله كل خير جميعا
    بجد افادتوتي جدا
    واستكمالا لموافاتكم بالايميلات التي يرسلها وارسلها
    اليكم الايميل الذي رد به علي ايميلي
    وطبعا كالعادة احب ان اعرف ردودكم عليه قبل ان اصيغ الرد

    وع فكرة لا تنسوا انا كنت بعتت له المرة السابقة اطلب منه الا يتهرب من ايميلي الذي انتقض فيه الكتاب المقدس
    ارجو مراجعه الايميل السابق قبل قراءة رده
    واترككم الان مع رده

    How are you hope all is well with you and that you are enjoying your summer. I received both you emails but before we continue I would like to say the following:













    There is a verse in the Bible that states that everything in its time.



    Ecclesiastes 3
    1To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

    2A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

    3A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

    In time I will respond to your questions, but now I am asking myself and you a question. I am trying to understand the foundation of Islam the religion that questions Christianity. I noticed a significant thing when I began to understand Islam’s foundations or any religions foundations but in this case Islam.



    In Christianity God Himself deals with teaching men his Laws, rules and Word for which we must follow. As I have said to you before but it seems you missed the point completely so I will say it again. Angels never teach men God’s Word, angels may bring a message to Mary for example which you point out but the angel who spoke to Mary did not teach Mary anything, the angel only delivered a message and was gone. Angels do not teach men God’s Word. You need to stop and understand this statement properly. It’s important because its foundational, it’s a foundational concept in Islam.



    What you and all Muslims need to understand is that no angel has the right much less the commandment from God to deliver God’s Word to men, and this is so from the beginning of time and is still so today. You will never find at anytime in the history of God communication with humans God allowing any angel to deliver His Words to men.



    God does not use angels to speak his Words to men, beyond a short message as with Mary and others but I cannot stress enough Never his Words, Never his Teachings God never allowed any angel to teach men His Words!



    Therefore if Muhammad has stated that he received the message from an angel (any angel) teachings from an angel then that teaching cannot be from God because God does not deliver His teaching through angels, He never has and He never does. God speaks with men directly as shown throughout the Bible.



    This then is a foundational principle that must be properly understood.



    My point is this, if in Islam the message came from an angel then that message cannot be from God, and if that message cannot be from God then why am I defending my message which is from God, with that which is from an angel. Who is the greater of the two?



    When does what any angel says outrank what God has said? The teaching in the Bible was said to come from God Himself and not any angels who should we believe, what was said to come from God or what was said to come from an angel?



    I need to know, how can what was said to come from an angel any angel be more valuable than what comes from God especially knowing that this have never happened in the history of the entire world, at no time in history do we ever see angels teaching men ever! No angel can teach men the Word of God as I have stated for that is for He who is called the Word of God and it is only He who communicates Gods word to men!



    And if that is the case than Islam has no ground to stand on whatsoever, and until you or anyone can show me what right Islam has to its claims then why am I defending what came from God from what did not.



    This is the fact of the matter. I need your comments and I hope you properly consider what you are about the say, for this will determine how we proceed. Don’t mix up what I have said and don’t assume I am going to accept any response. Please make sure to state what right Islam has based on what was delivered to them by who they identify as an angel over what was delivered in the Bible by God. For example the Bible states that God the Father Himself states that “this is my son in whom I am well pleased” for men to hear for themselves yet you are being told a story told to you by what someone said Muhammad was told by an angel that God has no son, who do you think is not telling the truth? For no one but Muhammad heard what was said and this was said by an angel, which do you think is harder to believe, it is clear to me, one was the voice of God Himself heard by all who was with Jesus and written down by eyewitness and the other story is told by those who did not hear, did not see and were not even around at the time of whatever was said and it was told by an angel in a cave (as they say). How can whatever that angel said be more important than what God said Himself as written down by those who hear it?



    If you fail to see or understand what is clear then what is the point, you can lead a hoarse to water but you can’t make him drink.





    This is the time to break down and the time to build up, break down the teaching of Islam and build up the teaching of God through Jesus!





    I read your email, but I need you to respond to my point now for I need to know if this hoarse plans to drink or not!



    Have a good day!
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    "ولا تجادلوا أهل الكتاب إلا بالتي هي أحسن "
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    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
    يبدو ان هذا الشخص يتصف بالغباء اختي الفاضلة بدليل انه يصر على هذا النقطة ويتجاوز كم الاخطاء الهائلة التي في الانجيل. وهنا ان شاء الله اجمل الرد عليه باختصار

    it seems that there is a problem in your mind that you can't understnd what is right from what is wrong.
    you need to understand that the bible is not the God's word which were revealed for the disciples.
    first, how can i justify the wrong facts that the bible contain. shall i say that these wrong facts was from God? does God make mistakes in these revelation?
    impossiple.
    you must kmow that God the almighty NEVER and NEVER speaks to his people directly.
    God revealed the Holy Quran for Mohammad (pbuh) through an angel"the holy spirit" but the bible wasn't revealed to the disciples not by God him self and not even by an angel.
    the bible was written by the disciples themselves that is why it contains so many mistakes because God the almighty NEVER makes mistakes in his words.
    the bible contains many shamful things that NEVER can be God's words.
    you know what is the difference between the bible and the Holy Quran?
    the difference is that the Holy Quran is the true God's words revealed to Mohammad (pbuh) by the angel, but the bible is MAN-MADE verses.
    It's quite obvious that the Bible is more like a man made cultural book than a divine book that is meant to be for all times and all places. Anyway, the Bible was not even written by its original authors. That is why you see things such as "And Moses went up to the mountain...." instead of "And I [Moses] went up to the mountain....", or "And Jesus said to Matthew...." instead of "And Jesus said to me [Matthew]...." Most of the Books and Gospels of the Bible were written by third party people that were not even chosen by GOD, which makes the Bible just a cultural history book rather than a divine book from GOD Almighty
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    هنا يتضح الامر ان الانجيل ليس كلمة الله التي قالها مباشرة للانسان وان القران الكريم هو بالفعل كلمة الله الموحى بها الى النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم
    ولكي يتضح الامر اكثر وتستطيعي اختي الفاضلة سد المنافذ عليه اطلبي منه ان يكون الحوار حول مصداقية الانجيل واطلبي منه الدليل على ان الانجيل هو كلام الله وان يكون الحديث حول مصداقية كتابهم وان استطعتي دعوته هنا للمنتدى فسيكون هذا جيد جدا
    حياك الله
    سَلامٌ مِنْ صَبا بَرَدى أَرَقُّ ....ودمعٌ لا يُكَفْكَفُ يا دمشقُ

    ومَعْذِرَةَ اليراعةِ والقوافي .... جلاءُ الرِّزءِ عَنْ وَصْفٍ يُدَّقُ

    وذكرى عن خواطرِها لقلبي .... إليكِ تلفّتٌ أَبداً وخَفْقُ

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