السلام عليكم .. هذا حوار آخر دار مع احد الاشخاص .. و اظنه هندوسي و الله اعلم .. و انتهى بالفرار حاملا معه ذيول الذل و الهزيمة ..


DEXTER: hi
enjoywithme762000: hi
enjoywithme762000: asl
DEXTER: 26 m .. u ?
enjoywithme762000: same
DEXTER: wow . same age too ?
enjoywithme762000: ya
DEXTER: good . u said u have a different point of view .. may i know it ?
enjoywithme762000: ya definitely
enjoywithme762000: i do beleive in a god but in different god
DEXTER: be more specific
enjoywithme762000: god does not do bad or good
enjoywithme762000: god is above of doing good or bad
DEXTER: umm . and who is God then ? Jesus ?
enjoywithme762000: god is one who is above this thinking of doing good or bad
enjoywithme762000: doing good or bad is rask of human beings nor good
enjoywithme762000: is the task of human beings
DEXTER: i see ..
DEXTER: and u are not a christian as i see
enjoywithme762000: i do not follow any particilar relegion
enjoywithme762000: i have my own concept
DEXTER: hmm . and ur thought came from ?
DEXTER: using ur mind ?
enjoywithme762000: by seeing and observimg this world
DEXTER: i see
DEXTER: now we agree to some points
DEXTER: that God is not against mind . right?
enjoywithme762000: ya
DEXTER: good . u have gone as far as possible good for a human being
DEXTER: now tell me my friend
enjoywithme762000: if good has the power to good and bad ---it will make everybody happy
enjoywithme762000: why it would like to see his children in sad condirion
DEXTER: accroding to ur observation , do u think that God who created this Univese is unable to fulfill his will in this planet?
enjoywithme762000: ya
DEXTER: is He unable or not ?
enjoywithme762000: does not do it
DEXTER: i am talking about ability ,
DEXTER: not about reality
enjoywithme762000: u can treat this as -unable
DEXTER: now the one who created all this universe with accurate measures.. is unable to do what He wills ?is that logic ? we said we are gonna use our minds
enjoywithme762000: if god is able to do anyrhing then this world should run according to his will
enjoywithme762000: is that the will of god that there should be suffreing in rhe world
DEXTER: i have something for u to watch with me . ok ? so gimme good attentoin to this ok ?
enjoywithme762000: ok
DEXTER: good
DEXTER: now we are as humans, are free to do whatever we want .. and we hve a somplete free will over ourlives .
DEXTER: right ?
DEXTER: do we have a complete free will ?
enjoywithme762000: ya definitely
DEXTER: u beleive whatever u want and i do the same . and no one to say no.. that is absolutely true
DEXTER: now .. in this picture , we can see that God is not interferring anything . just leaving us the way we will
DEXTER: right or wrong ?
enjoywithme762000: but whatever be beleive must have some logic as we have some mind
DEXTER: exactly and we are gonna use this mind to find the truth about God ..
enjoywithme762000: ya
DEXTER: His pure truth .. i am happy that we agree to use our minds .
enjoywithme762000: ok
DEXTER: now tell me my dear friend , do we have will over everything in this Universe ?
enjoywithme762000: no
DEXTER: good answer .. that is true .
DEXTER: we still have no free will against many things . and death is a good example for it
enjoywithme762000: ya
enjoywithme762000: i agree to it
DEXTER: who moves the planets and gave the sun its power to light up our days ?
DEXTER: isn't He God ?
DEXTER: who grows the plants and creates whatever He wants? isn't He God?
DEXTER: some ppl come white and others are black . .
DEXTER: isn't He God who creates them the way He wants ?
DEXTER: ha ?
enjoywithme762000: no if there is good then and he is able to do somerhing first he will kill people like alkaida/terrorist
enjoywithme762000: why innocent people should die?
DEXTER: we shall check that later . lets keep up the way we are now
enjoywithme762000: at rhe will of god?
enjoywithme762000: why god does not change the mind of terrorist
enjoywithme762000: if has the real power to change he will never allow the wrong rhings in the world
enjoywithme762000: why he would want that his innocent people should be killed by devils
DEXTER: we said that we shall check on that later ,, shall we keep up the way we are ?
enjoywithme762000: if he has the power why doesnt he change all wromg people into good one
DEXTER: i defenitly have good answers for u later.
DEXTER: now i will repeat .
DEXTER: does God have still some power over many things in this Universe or not ?
enjoywithme762000: there is no god who controls this world--this is autonatic and runs on ones deed--one get result according ro his deed
enjoywithme762000: automaric
enjoywithme762000: to
DEXTER: but still though some rules controlling the Universe , right ?
enjoywithme762000: yes definitely
DEXTER: like Gravity and many other things .
enjoywithme762000: but that is not god
enjoywithme762000: dont name it god
DEXTER: and these rules are controlling this Universe and holding it from collasping , right or wrong
DEXTER: ?
DEXTER: ha ? right or wrong ?
enjoywithme762000: every particle in rhis world is independent but bonded due to its deed
DEXTER: u are excaping the answer . why ? we said we are gonna use our minds !
DEXTER: escaping **
enjoywithme762000: what is death ---it ia change of soul from one shape to another
DEXTER: my dear , u are jumping from one topic to another ..
DEXTER: i wanna concentrate with u on something
enjoywithme762000: ok
DEXTER: fine
DEXTER: now answer my Q .. there are still many rules that control the Universe and holding it from collasping ..
DEXTER: right or wrong ?
enjoywithme762000: ya and people name it god
DEXTER: forget about the name now .
DEXTER: we are watching together now
enjoywithme762000: ok
enjoywithme762000: ok
DEXTER: watching and using our minds. thats all
DEXTER: now .. every Rule in all this Universe , there must be something or someone who put this rule , and it is defenitely did not come from itself . because this possibility is ZERO .. right ?
enjoywithme762000: no
DEXTER: is there a possibility for it to come from itslef ?
DEXTER: without any outsider force ?
enjoywithme762000: ya some rules are self made
DEXTER: ok .. we are gonna concenrate on this point .
DEXTER: i wanna tell u something happened to me . and it is true.. I hope u believe me on this
enjoywithme762000: if somebody has made these rule then who made the one who made these rules
DEXTER: this thing happened to me as a watcher like u , and it happened infront of my eyes
DEXTER: shall we see what happened to me as a watcher?
enjoywithme762000: ok
DEXTER: good .
DEXTER: i live in a place where desert is the most part of my country ,
enjoywithme762000: ok
DEXTER: and one day , i decided to walk in the desert alone ,, just by myself ..
DEXTER: i started watching and i used my mind in this watch ..
DEXTER: i wnet too far that no civilization can be seen .
DEXTER: not humans nothing .
enjoywithme762000: ok
enjoywithme762000: ok
DEXTER: and i stood on a heap of sand looking around ..
enjoywithme762000: ok
DEXTER: and i saw something very wonderful
enjoywithme762000: ok
DEXTER: no one ever believed me on this . but i believe it was true
DEXTER: there was some trees on the easten side of the horizon ,..
enjoywithme762000: ok
DEXTER: and some rocks and moutains on the opposite side of the horizon
DEXTER: and sudennly ,,
DEXTER: some winds took off some trees and shaped from it wodden plates .. !!
DEXTER: i saw that infront of my eyes .. just by itself .
DEXTER: and some other winds took some rockes too in a shape of cubes!!
DEXTER: just like that .. so suddenlly . !!
enjoywithme762000: ok
DEXTER: the rockes and stones were in a fantastic shape of cubes like that were coming from a factory !
DEXTER: and the woods were in the shape of plates as if they are coming out of a factory !!
DEXTER: just like that !! all by itself .
DEXTER: and the most wonderful thing happened then!!
DEXTER: just listen!
enjoywithme762000: so what is wrong in it any matter change its form from time to time--some suddenly and sime slowly
DEXTER: then the wind took these wood plates just near me and some rocks in the shape of cubes also
enjoywithme762000: ok
DEXTER: and some water mixed with soil and sudennly the winds started building a house out of these plates and rocks !!
DEXTER: imagine that !! a house is self built just infront of my eyes !! i hope u believe me
enjoywithme762000: ya
DEXTER: there was no one there to do that !! just the wnids !! and random movement .
DEXTER: i saw the house being built by no body .. just some random movement !!
DEXTER: stone by stone and plate by plate ..
enjoywithme762000: it can happen
DEXTER: till it was 3 floor building . !!
enjoywithme762000: ok
DEXTER: and suddenly , some leeves from the trees came to do the ceiling !!
DEXTER: trust me am telling the truth
DEXTER: i was still standing astonished
enjoywithme762000: tell finally what u want to say
DEXTER: and then .. decorations were made and some firnitures too
enjoywithme762000: such incident may happen
DEXTER: furnitures**
DEXTER: and after the wind stopped , i sent inside this building , and saw that it was a 3 floor building with 6 apparments !
DEXTER: with ladders and furnitures from the finest Quality
DEXTER: there was kitchen and stuff man needs to live in it !!
DEXTER: and believe me , I am still living in that house till today
DEXTER: my family and I moved there
DEXTER: we are six families living in the self-built house and it is stronger than the ones in the city
DEXTER: we bought nothing from the market !! because everything was just there !1
DEXTER: plates and spoons and everything . imagine !! even a TV was there just byitself . 26 inches !!
DEXTER: i hope u believe me , do u ?
enjoywithme762000: so what u must have done sonerhing good in ur past or in ur last birth which result came now
enjoywithme762000: good deeds always pays
DEXTER: is that to mean : u believe me ?
DEXTER:
DEXTER: we said we are gonna use our minds
enjoywithme762000: it can happen and may not also depends on ones deed/kaema
enjoywithme762000: karma
DEXTER: so i was telling the truth logically ..
enjoywithme762000: what one has done in past
DEXTER: see how u are changing the subject !!
DEXTER: am asking about this fact as a watcher .. not as a Hindu or christian or Muslim!
DEXTER: we are now watcher .. right ? using our mids only .
DEXTER: right?
DEXTER: minds**
enjoywithme762000: it can happen
DEXTER: it can happn logically ? and u are saying that we are still watchers !!! and we are still using our minds !!
enjoywithme762000: but i could not get what u want to convey
DEXTER: i was telling u the exact details !!!!
DEXTER: a TV was there also .. IMagine !!!!
DEXTER: no one made it ,. but by itself
DEXTER: now is that logically true or not ? do u believe honstly that I am telling the truth ?
enjoywithme762000: ya no body makes also --matter change its form
enjoywithme762000: stone can change to building shape
DEXTER: aha
enjoywithme762000: trees may take shape of wood plates
DEXTER: and infront of my eyes? ina two hour time ?
enjoywithme762000: what is wromg in it
DEXTER: what about building 3 floors ?
enjoywithme762000: it changes shape infront of my eyes also
DEXTER: what about the furnitures!! what about spoons and plates and the TV !
DEXTER: am I telling the truth to u as a watcher as we said ?
DEXTER: remember ,. we are using our minds now
DEXTER: is it logic ? can a small kid believe that ?
DEXTER: only insane ppl would believe what I say .. do u agree or not
enjoywithme762000: ya if he think like me
DEXTER: so u agree that this is logic !
DEXTER: a selfbuilt Tv and Furnitures and 3 floors building stronger than the ones in the cities
DEXTER: u agree to this thing using ur mind ?
DEXTER: forget about ur faith .. we sais we are watchers now . using our minds !
DEXTER: said**
DEXTER: are u agraid to say that it is not logic?
DEXTER: afraid**
DEXTER: ha ? tell me !
DEXTER: logic or not!
BUZZ!!!
DEXTER: are u running away from using ur mind!! ?
DEXTER: or u are weaker than admitting that u were wrong !
DEXTER: and u know what I mean