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محمد سني 1989
So what is the point you said we would understand when we are born again !!!1 but yet you do not understand , you are accepting certain beliefs because you said it shows you the kingdom of heaven yet you cannot answer specific questions about Jesus and his message !!!! I guess the idea about seeing the kingdom of heaven is a metaphor about good feelings and comfort after believing in a specific ideology about Jesus!!! My friend this exists in all religions
Your idea is believe and you will feel better !!!! believe and then I will prove it to you !!!! yet you yourself do not have a lot of answers!!!]
What specific questions? Seeing the kingdom of God is not a metaphor. It is not about feelings. Our feelings according to my understanding of our Scriptures make nice servants but very poor leaders. You could be right about good feelings existing in all religions of course that includes Islam right?
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محمد سني 1989
The contradiction actually do hit the central message , I mean we do not know what Jesus the son of God actually said when he was crusfied !!!! There is a contradiction in one of the most important events in the christian central theme
As for this pasage : "For a brief moment I abandoned you, but with deep compassion I will bring you back.
Isaiah 54: 7
This is within the context of God talking to Israel not the other way around!!!!! God can abandon us if we astray and this is the point , why would Jesus say this ????
However the passage says for a brief moment but Jesus once he said that he died !!!! it was his last words according to Mark and Matthew!!!!!]
How does it impact the central gospel message? Yes, God is talking to Israel, but Jesus is the culmination of all that happens to Israel for he was sent to them! I have addressed this clearly to you by saying that Jesus became sin for the world, and God turned His back on Him for a time, but the righteousness of Christ came into those who received Him as the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. People who reject this message will die in their sin as Jesus said, "You will die in your sin unless you believe I am He." I believe Jesus not Islam's messenger who contradicts the Scriptures that came before!
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محمد سني 1989
Finally there is a difference between lining up and contradiction , they all according to christians saw it but there are various discrepencies !!!!! discrepencies and contradictions in the most important parts!!!! one says he said something and the other says he said another thing !!!!!
and the propblem is that you want me to belive that they were both aspired by god!!!!! how????
If 12 people attend a man's death in a hospital and the man shouts a certain thing before he dies so that everybody would hear it , I serously doubt that they would all differ at that point!!!
peace
People wrote things as they saw them and understood them. It is not God speaking via dictation through and angle like in the Quran. The most important part was that Jesus died for our sin (not Jesus' last words before death that doesn't change the central gospel message) and we can be saved from our sin past, present and future; it is the grace of God helps us to live perfect and holy lives.
As for you hospital example of 12 people attending a man's death in a hospital and the man shouts a certain thing before he dies so that everybody hears it, and you seriously doubting that they would all differ at that point, is a good point, but perhaps if sixty or seventy years had gone by after they share their testimony or it is documented, you might not doubt it so seriously then.
Again the important thing is that Jesus did die for our sin, and those who reject this gift of God (Jn. 3:16) go to eternal damnation first to the Jew, because as you mentioned, and I agree, Jesus came for them first; God opened the door for all people groups after they (Jews) refused the invitation to dine with the King and God of the universe. You see the point I am making mainly is your argument doesn't have any effect on the central gospel message, but Allah implying misconceptions of our God's tri unity shows a discrepancy that impacts my believing that the Quran came from an all knowing God.
peace to you
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