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نصير الدين
And who gave you the idea that the miracles of prophets according to Islam had no reason or message ? The first and most important is that they prove the prophecy of prophets . And no , they are not to be compared to tricks or sorcery as they are clear and impossible for humans to do at all or at the time at least . That's why the wizards of Pharoh admitted that what they saw was no sorcery because they knew what it was . Miracles also remind people that Allah is all powerful all knowing . And if people accept the prophet for seeing these miracles , doesn't that benefit mankind ? And no offense but , what is benefitting mankind that Christ walked on water according to Chrisianity ? You see what I mean ?
Not really, Jesus walking on water shows that He was above nature and all creation. It shows that by faith in God we too can live a miraculous life. Peter got out of his boat with Jesus' permission to walk on water. Living the Christine life is impossible just like walking on water. It shows that all things are possible with God, and that we can do all things through Christ who strengthens us to accomplish a pleasing life to God by God's grace and faith. There is a message; the message walked on water!
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And to me , the noble Quran and the sayings of the prophet peace upon him - which are also revelations from Allah - are enough . Also , just because we don't know the reason for him talking in cradle aside from the innocence of lady Mary doesn't mean there isn't . Not to mention that we shouldn't be ashamed if it was the only reason . People could have denied that he's her child or that he was born of no father or anything else . Jews knew about teh coming of Christ and it's recorded in theri books - Islam says so too - and yet they denied that it was him and accused him of things and they're still waiting for the "real Christ" which is in Islam the false Christ (Dajjal) . That's what the ones of falseehood always do . Also , talking as an infant is a miracle in itself and that is quiet enough .
The Jews didn't know Jesus was to be born of a virgin. The only way the Jews or anyone else learned of this is through the NT Bible which is Holy and Noble. People can say it is corrupted, but they have no proof to show how, when, where, and who and for what reason. Who made money or benefited from corrupting the Bible to say Jesus died to save us from our sin or that we have all sinned and come short of God's glory or that the wages of sin is death but God's gift is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord? This message is stumbling to the Jews first. Why should we accept the Bible is corrupted and the Quran is noble? Mormons say the Book of Mormon is noble and God's last testament. Why should we accept their book and prophet? Do you see what I mean?
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There's a misconception here . In Islam , what doesn't change is the knowledge of Allah about all there is to be and what there wasn't to be . All of what's happening until the day of judgement is written in the preserved tablet (Allaoh Al-Mahfouz) . But when it comes to messages before Islam , they were to their people and time and not the whole humanity . Thus , Allah entrusted them to their people and they are the ones who did the crime and altered what has been revealed to them and hid things . A crime which they will be judged for . But when it comes to the noble Quran , Allah promised to preserve it himself - through means he knows best of - and that is why it can never be altered . That's our belief . So the people of the book didn't alter the words of Allah in the meaning that they defied destiny and such , it is all known to Allah .
Give proof and explain why God wouldn't preserve or guard all His word from the beginning; why the Quran. Did Allah not know man would corrupt His word from the beginning or did he learn by what they did to the torah and gospel. Do you see the problem I am having here?
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You also don't believe in the staff becoming a snake ? Anyway , as said before , the main reasons for a miracle is proving the prophecy of a messnger or a prophet - there's a difference - , leaving no room for objection , reminding people that Allah is all powerful all knowing , and other things . So it shouldn't really directly benefit people financially or so .
I believe it. You don't? Why?
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Fair enough . Still though , as said , in Islam , it doesn't have to directly benefit people financially or so .
Who said anything about financially?
Peace and blessings
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