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Quote Originally Posted by huria View Post
Pandora , I need to answer one point only, why are we desperate to show that Muhammad peace be upon him is in the bible, even though we believe it is corrupted.


Greetings Huria, well you have raised three points..

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1. We are not desperate, it is just there, so many as well not one or two, many even though , your book suffered so many changes and alterations.
As you wish.. yet it does not seem incongruous to you to seek validation of sorts from scriptures that you believe to be corrupted? I would one day like to see some proof of these claims of the scriptures being changed. I have yet to see any. Not only the fact that they were "supposedly altered".. But why do you think it was thought they should be altered? And by whom? Don't forget that the scriptures we have today are the same as the scriptures we had during the time of your prophet Mohammed.

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2. corrupted it does not mean all is falsehood, it may contain some truth, and as I said no matter how much you try, the evidence is overwhelming, if you want we can go through some, but please do not jump from one topic to another.
But this raises a conundrum for muslims I feel.. Because you have no way of knowing what is truth and what was allegedly changed. You could of course say the Quran is your proof, but this would not be proof enough for anyone who doubted the authenticity of the Quran. So you need independent proof, which is harder to find. You raised the points.. I am addressing them. Your overwhelming evidence is not much more than misunderstandings and misinterpretations. I doubt you have anything new. It would, I feel be a rather pointless exercise and one that has been no doubt addressed on numerous previous occasions.

[QUOTE ]3. The third point is a question for you, we Muslims believe that the Enjeel was book of God but what we have now, may hold some truths but it has changed a lot, so we have the right to refer to it to prove anything.[/QUOTE]

You are free to believe what you wish, but you need to convince others of the truth of your statements before asking them to give up their beliefs. There is no proof of any such Book as the Injeel as you believe it to be ever existed. Yet, the proof for the Gospels (New Testament) is incontrovertible. If you feel it is your right to take out the bits you like whilst dismissing the bits you don't like or what's diametrically opposed to Islam.. Well that's fine go ahead, but if you are looking to the Gospels themselves in the hope of disproving Gods divine message contained within.. Then you will be unsuccessful in that. It is not possible to change the Word of God.

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You Christians however do not believe in our book, or our prophet so you have no right to quote from our book, things to support your weak doctrine, and I have seen it myself, in some Christians's scholar websites , using verses of the Quran, to say that Jesus was word of God according to Quran!! What a big joke, you can’t prove divinity to your God, so you use other source that you don’t believe in, or its authenticity to interpret it they way you like it is big hypocrisy do not you think?!
I personally would not quote the Quran in support of the Bible because there is no need to. The Bible is self sufficient and does not or seek support from any source other than God. Why would I need to prove divinity of YHWH? God whom you know as Allah... For surely I would not need to prove Gods divinity to you, a Muslim.. Surely must believe that already. If you refer to the Christ Jesus... Again I would not need the Quran to tell me anything of Jesus.. As muslims do not know Jesus. If you did you would not disrespect Him... Which you do ..every time you refer to Him as son of Mary.

Hypocrisy is a two way street don't you think? You may have heard the saying.. "People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" ...... BTW.. I believe the Quran does refer to Jesus as the Word of God. Muslims just interpret the meaning behind what it means differently. We believe the Word of God is eternal and uncreated... The Bible tells us this Word is Jesus. So on that point we have a similarity of sorts between the Quran and the Bible. Gods Word is no joke.
Peace to you.