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Can man limited what God can do? You said in another post God can do what He wants. Did you change your mind? I believe God can have His eternal and divine word become man. I hope this answers your question. I also believe that Jesus on His return will judge everyone who accuses those of shirk for believing that Jesus is He. As Jesus said, and He will ask people on the last day: "Were you not told by my witnesses that I am He, and did I not say you will die in your sin unless you believe I am He? Why then didn't you believe what I said? People will have to answer that question!
Peace be unto you for it is time for peace.
You shy away from the logical answers, to hypotheses phantom
God is able to erase sin, without a representative steel and redemption
God cannot simply erase sin unless He acts against His divine nature of being just.اقتباس:
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You have simplified the concept of sin to an extent you don't see that God sets the bar on this.. It's not so much how our sin affects us but what affect does our sin have on a Holy God. If you feel that your good deeds mean anything when it comes to payment for sin then.. I don't know where that leaves you. Except on dodgy ground spiritually. Does God need your good deeds?
Peace
In Islam, God is merciful. Forgiving. Great
So: God is not human beings and do not resemble humans, and can not be embodied in the form of humans
Not because he can not, but is greater than that
God is Spirit and must be worshipped in spirit and in truth. Yes, God is merciful, forgiving and Great, but we have to meet Him on his terms to receive His mercy and forgiveness. Who told you what God can or cannot do in regards to being embodied in man. How do you know? Are you God?اقتباس:
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God can do everything He wills!
At the risk of repeating myself we also believe as Christians God is merciful, forgiving and great.. All of this and more.. A thousand fold more than we can imagine. Most importantly we see God as love, and it's through that divine and agape love God shows what we mean to Him. YHWH is not a distant and impersonal God which was proved to us through the incarnation of His Word.. Jesus.. We know we are loved..and loved greatly and prized above all creation. It's in knowing this we return that love in every way we can think of in spirit, worship and deed.اقتباس:
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Really... Who are you to put limitations on God? You cannot possibly hope to measure Gods greatness and on that basis alone have no right to say what God is or is not capable of.. Or even what would be "seemly and proper" behaviours attributed to God. God is God.. he is above all creation and the rules by which we live by. As such nothing is impossible with God.
Blessings.:hb:
here is the answer my sister :اقتباس:
Can God Become A Man
Numbers 23 : 19
God is not a man, that he should lie;
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the supposed God is:اقتباس:
God is Spirit and must be worshipped in spirit and in truth. Yes, God is merciful, forgiving and Great
Merciful ??? !!!
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Ezekiel 9 :6
Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women
Forgiving ???!!!
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Luke 19 : 27
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me
Great ???!!!
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Matthew 26 : 67
Then did they spit in his face, and buffeted him; and others smote him with the palms of their hands,
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use your mind !
My mind tells me you are looking to find fault with God. Don't forget Allah said he sent down the torah that records all these verses. Your beef is not with Christians; it is with your god.اقتباس:
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no offence here but if you continue to use Bible verses whilst failing to understand the context ..or taking a few words you feel say what you want them to mean then you will get nowhere... You fail my friend!!!
19 “God is not a man, that He should lie,
Nor a son of man, that He should repent.
Has He said, and will He not do?
Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?
This is correct God is not a man.. However it does not say God could not become a man if He so wished.. God IS not a man that he should lie.. Mankind lies.. God does not. God does not sin (obviously) so therefore God has no need to repent, Man breaks his promises and does not live up to all he says.. God never breakers His promises.. Mankind will say they will do something but often fail to live up to their words. If God says He will do something then He makes good on His word.
So from that point of view.. God is NOT a man.. But there is nothing in this verse that says God could not become a man.
"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end, on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish it and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from this time forth and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will do this." Isaiah 9:6-7
We can see from this verse Isaiah in predicting the birth of the Messiah.. Jesus.. Will be called Mighty God.. Everlasting Father..Isaiah received this revelation from God.
اقتباس:
the supposed God is:
Merciful ??? !!!
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Ezekiel 9 :6
Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women
Forgiving ???!!!
http://www.kalemasawaa.com/vb/images...es/36_2_20.gifYou need to see the context of this verse to understand Gods righteous wrath and how it is tempered by His divine mercy. You know of Gods judgement against Sodom I take it? So you can understand that there have been occasions where God has felt it necessary to pass harsh judgement upon sinners and idolaters. No different here, the angel was told to mark those who were saved and any that were so marked were spared. You have highlighted the "Little Children" as this I believe.. You feel shows a great cruelty. God of course would see things differently from you and could maybe know that these children would be destined for a life of the same sin and idolatry if they did not end up sacrificed to some idol!!! then possibly God thought it was a greater act of mercy to bring them to Him. It's really not our place to question the demands of God now is it. Do you question Allah when he tells muslims to smite the necks of disbelievers .. To seek them out wherever they are...or other such severe judgements?
Luke 19 : 27
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me
Great ???!!!
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this is a parable taught by Jesus to make the point of what we are to expect in the future.. If you are interested you can read the parable and it's meaning here...
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I will use mine if you will use yours.. :) try looking at things objectively and not twisting things to say what you want them to say.اقتباس:
Matthew 26 : 67
Then did they spit in his face, and buffeted him; and others smote him with the palms of their hands,
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use your mind !
Peace to you
Pandora, he knows he is twisting the Scriptures that came before to match what he wants to believe to be true, and he accuses Christians of twisting and changing Scriptures?
In the name of Allah the most gracious and merciful the master of the Judgment Day
Pandora , Burninglight welcome back :king: :
Jesus is he the only Messiah mentioned in the bible ????اقتباس:
We can see from this verse Isaiah in predicting the birth of the Messiah.. Jesus
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I totally agree with you ,اقتباس:
Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children
Men and women who breaks the lord ' Commandments deserve the God ' s punishment because of idolatry .
what is the crime committed by the young children and for that they were slaughtered ????
You say :
How do you know that ????اقتباس:
God of course would see things differently from you and could maybe know that these children would be destined for a life of the same sin and idolatry if they did not end up sacrificed to some idol!!!
Is there any text from the Bible supporting what you say ???
please don't put the verses out of their true context !اقتباس:
اقتباس:
Do you question Allah when he tells muslims to smite the necks of disbelievers
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To seek them out wherever they are..
the disbelievers deserve this punishment !
Allah says :
And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.
the holy Quran 2: 191
[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.
That is because they opposed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever opposes Allah and His Messenger - indeed, Allah is severe in penalty.
the holy Quran 8 : 12 / 13
I'm not changing any things !اقتباس:
Pandora, he knows he is twisting the Scriptures that came before to match what he wants to believe to be true, and he accuses Christians of twisting and changing Scriptures?
The Scriptures were already manipulated !
here is the proof !
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for example :
The masoretic text ( job 30 :29)speaks about two creatures :
1-the Ostrich
2-the Dragon
אָח הָיִיתִי לְתַנִּים וְרֵעַ לִבְנוֹת יַעֲנָה
the KJV speaks about dragons and owls :
I am a brother to dragons, and a companion to owls.
peace to you .
Please listen carefully to this EX- pastor . :p012:
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Thank you for the welcome back...but I haven't been away.. :)اقتباس:
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Of course not.. Do you know what title Messiah stands for? The title "messiah" is a general term that has been given to many people in Biblical times. I am slightly amused that you think I ... as a Christian would not be aware of that fact. The term "messiah" simply means "anointed", or "one set aside for a specific task or calling by God". David, Saul and Moses would all be considered as a "messiah" in their day. Even some of the prophets could be called this as well.اقتباس:
Jesus is he the only Messiah mentioned in the bible ????
However, we also understand that Judaism over the millennia has been looking for "the messiah" not just "a messiah". Not just one who will come and change a single generation or two, but one who will come and change the direction of the entire world for all times. Jesus is that messiah the Jewish people have been waiting for.. Many of them chose not to recognise that fact. Jesus refers to himself as this messiah in John 4:25. ~~That woman said to him, "I know that the Messiah is coming, and when he comes, he will teach us everything. 26. Jesus said to her, I am the one speaking with you. 27. And while he spoke, his disciples came and were amazed that he spoke with a woman ~~
I know that because I have absolute faith in Gods Holy judgement. I do not question the will of God, He is divine, He is Holy and as our creator we function according to His will. I don't need a written explanation of the whys and wherefores... It's not my place to question the wisdom of God.اقتباس:
I totally agree with you ,
Men and women who breaks the lord ' Commandments deserve the God ' s punishment because of idolatry .
what is the crime committed by the young children and for that they were slaughtered ????
You say :
How do you know that ????
Is there any text from the Bible supporting what you say ???
you are having a joke with me here I think???? Are you seriously chastising me for quoting verses from the Quran out of context???? When you have done the very same with Bible verses in every post you have used them.!!!!!!! Do you not see the hypocrisy here?اقتباس:
please don't put the verses out of their true context !
the disbelievers deserve this punishment !
Allah says :
And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.
the holy Quran 2: 191
[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.
That is because they opposed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever opposes Allah and His Messenger - indeed, Allah is severe in penalty.
the holy Quran 8 : 12 / 13[/QUOTE]
*** sigh*** ... And your point is?اقتباس:
I'm not changing any things !
The Scriptures were already manipulated !
here is the proof !
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for example :
The masoretic text ( job 30 :29)speaks about two creatures :
1-the Ostrich
2-the Dragon
the KJV speaks about dragons and owls :
I am a brother to dragons, and a companion to owls.
peace to you .
I tell you.. If there were a brick wall to hand I would be likely to be found banging my head against it in frustration at your replies!!! Still.. On the bright side.. Your posts do give cause to smile on occasion and that's a good thing.. :) :)
peace to you.
Please note... I don't get the links for you tube vids on the device I use. So can't comment on your ex pastor..
I 'm so sorry my colleague , There is no hypocrisy here !اقتباس:
Do you not see the hypocrisy here?
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As you see the holy Scriptures were falsified .اقتباس:
And your point is?
Note :
The arabic bible's translation called The Easy-to-Read Version talks about Wolves and Owl
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If there were a brick wall to hand I would be likely to be found banging my head against it in frustration at your replies
Are you shocked ????
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You can use the " quote button " and the link will appear to you .اقتباس:
Please note... I don't get the links for you tube vids on the device I use. So can't comment on your ex pastor..
peace with you ...
Really? Is that so. You quote Bible verses out of context all the time and see no problem that by doing this it changes the nature and understanding of the text. If I do the same with a verse from the Quran ..YOU immediately point out that it's not possible to do this and I must use the verse in the context given.اقتباس:
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well.. That my friend looks like hypocrisy on your part. :SMILS115:
اقتباس:
As you see the holy Scriptures were falsified .
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The arabic bible's translation called The Easy-to-Read Version talks about Wolves and Owl
No it doesn't... At best it means a copyists error. It in no way detracts from the Bible doctrine. Seeing as the wolves/dragons/owls/ostriches were used as a allegory to demonstrate a sound in this case. Job is likening say his mourning resembles the doleful noise made by the ostrich.. Etc. owls also make a similar doleful sound so for the purpose of the verse either works to make the point.
Shocked??? No.. Just amazed at how obtuse you can be at times.. :hb: If you want to discuss stuff fine... But do so with integrity.اقتباس:
Are you shocked ????
Thank you kindly for that tip... Wasn't aware of that. :p012:اقتباس:
You can use the " quote button " and the link will appear to you .
peace with you ...
Peace.
اقتباس:
At best it means a copyists error
Perhaps this is also a copyists error !
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please choose the correct answer :
The lord in Sam 1: 19 struck down :
1- 50.070 people
2- 70 people
3- 75 people
the French translation :
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The GOD’S WORD translation :
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the voice translation :
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Job is likening say his mourning resembles the doleful noise made by the ostrich.. Etc. owls also make a similar doleful sound so for the purpose of the verse either works to make the point.
ah ha !
:thk:
May be lions has a similar sound with the chickens !
:king:
Did someone tell you that Muslims are idiots an they believe everything they are told ????
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Do you regard every one who criticize - with evidence - the holy Scriptures as an obtuse ????اقتباس:
No.. Just amazed at how obtuse you can be at times.
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Thank you kindly for that tip... Wasn't aware of that
you are welcome :thumbup:
and your comment about the video ????
peace to you .
Studies by experts in the field of manuscript analysis have shown that the individuals responsible for the copying ...scribes or copyists.. were prone to making two types of scribal errors.. One concerned the spelling of proper names ..especially unfamiliar foreign names, and the other had to do with numbers. It's clear to see from the wealth of manuscripts we have to refer to that none of these make any difference what so ever to the core message of the Scripture. So your verses above have little relevance. You pick the number you like best... Makes no difference to how I view the Bible. :)اقتباس:
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~~~~“…our dear brother Paul also wrote to you with the wisdom that God gave him….His letters contain some things that are hard to understand which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction” (2 Peter 3:15-16)~~~~
Nope.. I don't think you're idiots. Just some of you don't use the intelligence God blessed you with some of the time.. ;)اقتباس:
ah ha !
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May be lions has a similar sound with the chickens !
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Did someone tell you that Muslims are idiots an they believe everything they are told ????
Nope.. If they come with real evidence I give it serious consideration. However.. As you are disseminating the word of God here I expect a level of respect in that regard. I find most of your "evidence" does not meet that that standard. If and when it does I will respond accordingly.اقتباس:
Do you regard every one who criticize - with evidence - the holy Scriptures as an obtuse ????
No comment.. Didn't watch it. I have mentioned before I do not see any value in you tube videos and don't see they add anything to dialogue. I was thanking you for showing me that it is possible to view such links on my device that I was unaware of. :)اقتباس:
you are welcome :thumbup:
and your comment about the video ????
peace to you .
peace to you.
what you are saying does not justify the falsification of the holy scriptures !اقتباس:
Studies by experts in the field of manuscript analysis have shown that the individuals responsible for the copying ...scribes or copyists.. were prone to making two types of scribal errors.. One concerned the spelling of proper names ..especially unfamiliar foreign names, and the other had to do with numbers. It's clear to see from the wealth of manuscripts we have to refer to that none of these make any difference what so ever to the core message of the Scripture. So your verses above have little relevance. You pick the number you like best... Makes no difference to how I view the Bible. :)
they were manipulated by humans (scribes) and the falsification was occurred !
what is your opinion now about adding and deleting entire sections like in MAT 6:13 ?????
this passage for example ????
For Thine is the Kingdom, and the power and the glory for ever. Amen.
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may be you are comparing us with Paul the the Apostle but it's not the case ! :)اقتباس:
Just some of you don't use the intelligence God blessed you with some of the time.
2Corinthians11 : 1
O that ye were bearing with me a little of the folly
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If they come with real evidence I give it serious consideration.
Do you mean i give you false evidence ????
the EX- Brasilian pastor testifies that Jesus is not God ( God can't become a man ) .اقتباس:
Didn't watch it. I have mentioned before I do not see any value in you tube videos and don't see they add anything to dialogue.
peace with you .
The variances in the Bible you speak of don't change the central gospel message. It only gives people who want an excuse not to follow the truth. We know what has been added and taken away from the Bible because of the many undestroyed manuscripts in our possession. This is something that cannot be done with the Quran; so, you don't know what was falsified and even if one can prove there was no falsification which cannot be proved, there is no prove it is from our Creator especially when it goes so completely against the most important part of the Scriptures that came before.
God can become man and yet remain God, but man cannot become God as Mormons believe.
***sigh*** I know you mean well, but I can't see this dialogue going anywhere because you just don't seem to be able to grasp how we view our scriptures as being the inspired word of God is different to how you view the Quran as the word of Allah verbatim. You are applying the same criteria as you use for the Quran to the Bible.. Which is not going to work on any meaningful level. Copyist errors are easily spotted and as I have already said make no difference to the core message of the Bible. We can go back and forth over this till doomsday and we will reach no agreement. The problem would be a problem if we claimed the Bible was the word of God verbatim as you claim for the Quran ... But it isn't .. And we don't ... so the problem is only yours, and seeing that you do not believe in the Bible as scripture then I don't really see it's why it should be considered your problem or why you are worrying yourself about it.اقتباس:
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what would you like me to say? I'm not sure what your point is? Does Gods Kingdom not last forever? Along with His power and Glory...اقتباس:
what is your opinion now about adding and deleting entire sections like in MAT 6:13 ?????
this passage for example ????
For Thine is the Kingdom, and the power and the glory for ever. Amen.
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may be you are comparing us with Paul the the Apostle but it's not the case ! :)
2Corinthians11 : 1
O that ye were bearing with me a little of the folly
I would never dream of comparing you with the Apostle Paul.. On any level.. Paul understood Jesus you understand Jesus not at all. You only have Isa to base your understanding on so I can understand that.
You say it is false.. I say it isn't any kind of evidence because it's mostly based upon your misunderstanding of Bible scripture. I can see this and don't blame you for it.. It would be like me trying to prove to you the Quran is false.. I would not bother because I know I do not understand it as you do. For sure it does not look to me it is what it claims to be.. Word of God etc.. But you believe it's truth and I can respect that and have no wish to find faults. As you seem obliged to do with the Bible. I can see where why you need to prove the Bible has been changed.. But know you will never do this because you have no proof. By changed.. I am not talking of words here and there I am talking of the core message. That is unchanging as God is unchanging.اقتباس:
Do you mean i give you false evidence ????
Wouldn't interest me any.. One mans opinion..which he is entitled to.. Does prove the truth of the situation or not now does it? I prefer to believe what Jesus said on the matter through words and deeds.اقتباس:
the EX- Brasilian pastor testifies that Jesus is not God ( God can't become a man ) .
peace with you .
Peace also with you.:hb:
You are taking 2 Corn. out of context. That is called mine quoting. You shouldn't expect to convince anyone with that. As for someone proofing God cannot become man and remain God, no one can disprove it anymore than they can prove God exists or doesn't exist which goes for all faith based issues.
We Christians believe that there were the Scriptures that came from God by men inspired by Him BEFORE the birth of Islam's prophet. We believe God preserved the central gospel message that is consistently believed by Christians to be true since the time Jesus rose from the dead. The Bible teaches let them be accursed that would teach us a different message than Jesus son of God crucified. Anything that deviates from this is not Christianity. The Bible was not received as God's verbatim word by an angel messenger. Jesus was and is God's verbatim word become man, and that is what the Holy Bible Scripture means by Jesus (Yeshua) being the Son of God. No other prophet was ever God's word become flesh or the truth , life and way... Jesus is the only exception; so, until this is realized, Jesus is not honored even if one believes He is the greatest of prophets or a great prophet. Look at my signature. People on judgment day are going to have a hard time explaining why they rejected the gospel; moreover, they are going to hear Jesus say "Bring those who would not have me rule over them as 'Lord' and slay them before of Me." Now is the day of salvation, mercy and grace. That window will soon close for many of you.
You are loved by Jesus and God is not willing that any should perish, but that all would come to the knowledge of truth. God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked. God in His sovereignty has allow man to choose to accept this message or reject it. We choose to reject it at our own spiritual eternal peril.
Peace and blessings to all
@ my colleagues Burninglight& pandora :
can you tell me what do you mean by falsification ????
please give me a simple & short difinition .
p.e.a.c.e with you .
peace be unto you. I believe it means to make something false by adding to it or taking away from it. What is your definition of it?اقتباس:
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Pardon??? You don't have a dictionary to hand?اقتباس:
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falsification - any evidence that helps to establish the falsity of something
falsification - a willful perversion of facts
falsification - the act of rendering something false as by fraudulent changes (of documents or measures etc.) or counterfeiting
Short and simple enough? You know me... A Wordy woman.. Wanting to add more but will not.. :) :)
peace to you.
Is there a point you are trying to make: IOW, why did you ask this question?اقتباس:
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