السلام عليكم
اهلن بكم اخواني انا لدي نصرانية اجنبية دعوتها للحور هنا باستخدام اسمي لذلك سأعيرها اسمي للدخول للمنتدى والتحور معكم بالانجليزية
انتظر موافقة الادارة بارك الله فيكم
عرض للطباعة
السلام عليكم
اهلن بكم اخواني انا لدي نصرانية اجنبية دعوتها للحور هنا باستخدام اسمي لذلك سأعيرها اسمي للدخول للمنتدى والتحور معكم بالانجليزية
انتظر موافقة الادارة بارك الله فيكم
وعليكم السلام ورحمة الله وبركاته
على رحب والسعة اخي الكريم
لكن ارى من الافضل ان تسجل بعضوية اخرى فلا اظن قوانين منتدى تسمح لشخصين استعمال نفس المعرف او لشخص استعمال معرفين
لذا اتمنى ان تسجل لها عضوية اخرى او لك عضوية باسم رجل
وفقكم الله
المشكلة انها رفضت الدخول للمنتدى فا اقترحت اني اكون ناقل للحوار بين الطرفين وهيه تحاول تنصيري
لنبدأ الحوار
انا سألتها بالانجليزي? why do you believe jesus is the son of God
لا حول ولا قوة الا باللهاقتباس:
وهيه تحاول تنصيري
لك اخي الكريم ان تضع هنا ما تطرحه عليك وسنقوم بمساعدتك ان شا الله
لكن احرص ان لا يكون التواصل بينكما ينافي الضوابط الشرعية الاسلامية
دمتم بعز الاسلام
تقول
because the old testment is full of the coming of the christ the annointed one the son of god born of a virgin the entire bible is the sole brith history of god and his son jesus the mere fact it exists and has survived over 2000 years is proof of that see of the belief in a human lasts as long .
لي سؤالان : هل تستطيع ان تكلمها بلغتها ، فان قام الاخوة بالرد عليك بالعربية
هل تستطيع ترجمة الرد للانجليزية؟
الثاني : هل هي تجيد الانجليزية لان ردها مليء بالاخطاء الاملائية؟
الرداقتباس:
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But the Old Testament is book of Jews
Do Jews believe that Christ is the Son of God according to the Old Testament!
ان شاء راح اترجم اللي اعرفوااقتباس:
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وهيه امريكية
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله
أختي فداء الرسول انا قاصِف في سبيل الإسلام
لو تريدون اي مساعدة اخبروني وانا على استعداد ان احاورها بإذن الله
موفقين ان شاء الله!
وعليكم السلام ورحمة الله وبركاتهاقتباس:
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بوركتم اخي الكريم
الاخ سيقوم بوضع ردود النصرانية هنا ويقوم ايضا بنقل ردودنا اليها
لرفضها دخول المنتدى والمشاركة
فيمكنكم المتابعة معها
جزاكم الله خير
jews do not believe that was the son of god because jesus told the head circle of jews they were doing wrong by letting the money changers be in the temple of god and wouldnt see the son of god before them they wanted a rich king to show up who agrees with them. jesus was poor said god loves everyone freely coats nothing. he was the sacrifice for saying these things. he told them he was the son of god and they paid judas to set him up and have him killed. god knew all this was coming.he let his son decide.
جزاكم الله خيرا جميعاً ... وسدد رميكم .. وفتح الله لكم العقول والقلوب والآذاناقتباس:
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كل التوفيق أخي الكريم أستاذ عيسى ...
اقتباس:
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حياك الله اخي اوثينتيك مان وجزاك كل خير. آمين! :hb:
Although this is not my subject but I have to correct youاقتباس:
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You Said:
This is very strange and there is no evidence from the bible on it and actually there the total opposite in your bookاقتباس:
he let his son decide
how he let him decide and Jesus said
[And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. ]
[NKJV][Mt.26.39]
But anyways I have to ask you, since Jesus said
[Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing. ]
[NKJV][Jn.18.20]
Since Jesus said he spoke to the world & taught them openly & never said anything in secret, then where did Jesus tell the Jews that:
?He is God incranates
&
?where did he ask them openly to worship him
what you are refering to is the garden of gestheme.jesus went to the garden to pray for strength and asked the other dosciples to do the same but they were made to sleep by satan and the snake came tried yet again to tempt him. jesus did say that in a prayer when the devil was whispering to him was he speaking of the coming resurection or the devil to go away ? what did jesus do next? get behind me satan. where you belong.and jesus rose,and stepped on the snake and killed it . he then told god he is ready now
you should read the bible with someone you can understand. CAN YOU GET AMERICAN TV? THERE IS A PROGRAM IT IS MY TEACHER BEST TEACHER ON EARTH HE KNOWS EVERYTING ABOUT IT INSTANT RECALL ON EVERY VERSE WRITTEN OLD AND NEW
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?Where is the answer to my two questions
I already read your bible very well & Jesus said that he always spoke openly to the world and never told or taught anything in secret
[Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing. ]
[NKJV][Jn.18.20]
:Now where did Jesus tell the Jews that
1-
?He is God incarnates
&
2-
?Where did he ask them openly to worship him
!Just two simple questions that need answer from the book that you claim that you know & read well
حيا الله الإخوة والأخوات
في انتظار رد الزميلة النصرانية هداها الله من عبادة البشر لعبادة رب البشر
:20:
he asked peter who do you think I am ? peter said, I believe you are the son of god. jesus said, I will give you peter the keys to my kingdom, this did not come from you but from my father who is in heaven when...when jesus was baptised by john in the jordan river a dove descended on jesus and the sky opened and god said this is my son in whom i am well pleased
!Very niceاقتباس:
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I believe you mean this in the book of Matthew
[And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. ]
[NKJV][Mt.16.16]
?But how son of God means he is God
In the book that you believe in, God literally has sons by the tons:
The fallen angels are the sons of God
[There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. ]
[NKJV][Gn.6.4]
Your priests who you claim are led by the holy spirit are sons of God
[For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. ]
[NKJV][Rom.8.14]
I can be the son of God because I seek peace & your book says peace makers are the sons of God
[Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. ]
[NKJV][Mt.5.9]
This is not the sign of a God but a sign of a prophet & a messenger of Godاقتباس:
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Any person who obeys the orders of his prophet like Moses then he is granted the eternal heaven just like you mentioned
and to verify this Jesus said
[And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. ]
[NKJV][Jn.17.3]
He did not tell you believe in me as your God to accomplish the eternal life
He said believe there is no true God but the father & Jesus is his messenger
Just like how we Muslims bleieve
There is no God but Allah & Jesus Christ is the messenger of Allah
Plus he said that he is a man not a God
[But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. ]
[NKJV][Jn.8.40]
I dont understand how can you worship someone who already worships a God then refer to himself as a man just like you?
اقتباس:
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Actually this verse kills the idea of trinity because Jesus says
[And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. ]
[NKJV][Jn.5.37]
So how can people hear the voice of God & Jesus says the opposite?
So we are left with the son & the holy spirit without the father
Even if I accepted this verse then where is the clear claim of divinity from Jesus side?
In Islam & in our Quran the points of belief must be very clear & they are very clear
For example if you asked me to show you from my book where Allah\the father said he is God & where did he ask you to worship him, I would tell you
Lo! I , am Allah . There is no God but Me . so worship Me and establish prayer for My remembrance )
Taha-14
Its that simple
My question stays unanswered
Did Jesus say I Am Your God
Did Jesus say Worship Me?
Does this words exist in the book that you believe is the word of God?
You must have a very clear evidence of your belief from the book you believe in & not just depend of this church said this & this pope said that
Its a matter of eternal life either heaven or hell & Jesus told you to search
[Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. ]
[NKJV][Jn.5.39]
Search your book for the claimed divinity of Jesus
I searched & I found a great Prophet & a Messenger of God who was a man that ate, drank & had to go to the bathroom & not a God or divine God forbid
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
اتمنى من الاخوة والاخوات اضافة تعليقاتهم هنا
http://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/t194480.html
وذلك بناء على طلب النصرانية تحديد عضو واحد لحوارها وقد تكفل الاخ عيسى محمد المهدي - جزاه الله خير- بذلك
دمتم بعز الاسلام
I know Jesus Christ is the son of god no amount of talk by you muslim will ever change that or the fact that on top of the holiest place on earth I what you people have written for god to see looking down on the dome it says god has no son but guess what ? not only does he have son but I love him with my whole heart and soul and wouldn't blink to die for him instanity ... NOW LOOK UP DO NOT CAST YOUR PEARLS BEFORE SWINE
اين الكلام الذي نقلته من ساعة ؟؟؟؟؟
لا ادري كيف آلية هذا المنتدى لكنه من اغرب المنتديات استخداما
هل من اخبار عن زميلتنا النصرانية اخي دارك؟
أسأل الله ان يكون المانع خير!
المشاركات تخضع للرقابة بالنسبة للاعضاء الجدد امثالك اخي الكريماقتباس:
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تم اعتمادها
اقتباس:
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But that means that your faith has no proof to it from your own book
Actually what is in your book opposes your own belief
What if I want to consider Christianity to convert & asked you for an evidence for your own belief
? what you will say
Your own personal impressions & beliefs has no relevance in a dialogue based on proof & evidence
Jesus Christ peace be upon him is a man
[But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. ]
[NKJV][Jn.8.40]
And a son of man
[KJV][Mt.19.28][And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.]
He does not know when is the hour so how can he be a God
[But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. ]
[NKJV][Mk.13.32]
he already worships the father so how can he be a God? A God worshiping another greater God?
[KJV][Jn.4.21][Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.]
He says true worshipers worship the father not Jesus so how can he be a God
[NKJV][Jn.4.23][But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. ]
Jesus told you to go to heaven you must believe that God is one & Jesus is his messenger
[And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. ]
[NKJV][Jn.17.3]
If you are doing anything then you are disobeying Jesus because he told you:
First: He is a Man & son of Man & you reject his saying & call him a God
Second: He worships the father & tells you that to be a true worshiper you must worship the father & you reject that & worship him instead
Third: He tells you that to accomplish eternal life you must know the father as the only true God & believe that Jesus is his messenger & you reject his teaching & say you will go to heaven through worshiping Jesus
Isnt that your own bible? This is not the Quran, I am quoting for you its the holy bible that you believe its the true word of God?
Where is the source of your belief that Jesus is a God? You must have evidence of what you believe in to convince others that you are on the right path
If you found this proof of the divinity of the humanbeing that you worship then please inform me
I ask Allah to guide from worshiping the man to worshiping the God of man
التأخير منكم بارك الله فيكم فا انا نقلت كلامها من ساعات والان فقط ظهر الكلاماقتباس:
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وانا سجلت في المنتدى سنة 2010 لا اظن اني جديد
لا بأس يا اخي وانا كتبت الرد في المشاركة التي قبل مشاركتك مباشرة.اقتباس:
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بارك الله فيك!
why would the son of god bother with the human man worship ? jesus shares his seat with no one. he doesnt have o. he alone conquered death and he alone will come with armies of angels and throw satan in hell why does satan even exist ? he was originally created to guard the mercy seat which sets at rhe right hand of god satan wanted to be the one in it thats why he is chained behind it the mercy seat is jesus seat. thats what the whole thing is about. pick a side believe what you'll . we are on opposing sides
?Where is the evidence that he is a Godاقتباس:
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Actually Adam is the son of God too & he is greater than Jesus because he came without a mother & a father while Jesus came from Mary
?Why dont you worship Adam
[Message][Lk.3.38][son of Enos, son of Seth, son of Adam, son of God. ]
There is even someone far greater than Adam & Jesus combined which is Melchizdek
[NKJV][Heb.7.3][Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. ]
Jesus was born & Melchizdek has no beginning, Jesus has a mother & Melchizdek has no parents, Jesus died & Melchizdek has no end
?Why dont you worship Melchizek
?So you worship a God that diesاقتباس:
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How can that be a God then? The first characteristic of a God is he is eternal & immortal which what your book says yet you keep opposing it
[Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen. ]
[NKJV][Tm1.1.17]
?Why he couldnt throw him the first timeاقتباس:
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was satan stronger than your God that he tempted him for 40 days straight
[NKJV][Mk.1.13][And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan ]
?What kind of a God that get tempted by his own creation
?Is that a God worth worshiping
?So the whole thing is a fight over a seatاقتباس:
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!Great
!I thought it was about the original sin
:)
You really remind me of the Samaritan woman that spoke to Jesus & he told her you do not know what you are worshiping just like you where you have no proof of the divinity of who you worshipاقتباس:
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[AMP][Jn.4.22][You do not know what you are worshiping [you worship what you do not comprehend].]
While on the other hand we are the followers of Jesus & we know who is the true creator & we have instead of one proof a thousand one for his divinity
[AMP][Jn.4.22][We do know what we are worshiping [we worship what we have knowledge of and understand]
I already picked a side, the side of a God that
Eternal
Never dies
Never gets tempted by his creation
Never get humiliated, beat & spat on by his creation
Never gets killed by his creation
Merciful & dont need blood to forgive a sin & accept repents of his servants
And my answer stays unanswered
Where Jesus told you
?I am God
?Worship me
?Why you worship him without any proof