?Why Prophet Muhammad Married Aisha When She Was Only 9

Why Prophet Muhammad Married Aisha When She

Was Only 9?

http://islamgreatreligion.files.word...pg?w=480&h=349

1-It was a divine inspiration:
Before describing the rationale behind this married relation, let it be known that the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) married Sayyida Aisha not of his own desire rather it was a Divine inspiration. Read the following Hadith;
Narrated ‘Aisha:
That the Prophet said to her, “You have been shown to me twice in my dream. I saw you pictured on a piece of silk and some-one said (to me). ‘This is your wife.’ When I uncovered the picture, I saw that it was yours. I said, ‘If this is from Allah, it will be done.” {Bukhari :: Volume 5 :: Book 58 :: Hadith 235}
2-It was not out of his physical desires:
The Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him) did not marry Sayyidah Aisha out of his physical desires. One need to note that for first 54 years of his life he had only one wife. His only wife till 50th year of his life was Sayyida Khadija. He spent his entire youth with her and she was a two time widowed woman, 15 years elder to him. For next four years his only wife was Sayyidah Sa’uda.
3-Age of Marriage in Old Ages:
One must first understand that 1400 years ago was very different than now, times have changed and so have humans. 1400 years ago it was something very common to marry young girls, in fact they were not considered young girls, and rather they were considered young women back then. It is a historic fact that girls from the ages of 9 to 14 were being married in Europe, Asia, and Africa, in fact even in the United States girls at the age of 10 were also being married just more than a century ago.
Yet with these facts no historian claims that all these people were sick perverts, historians would call anyone who made such a claim to be arrogant and very stupid who has no grasp or understanding of history.
Even in Indo-Pak Sub-Continent girls used to be married at 12-13 even 50-60 years ago. And those ‘girls’ infact raised much better families. There were less family problems then. A simple analyses of the divorce rate then and know would certainly make it clear that maturity level earlier used to be different i.e. people used to come of age rather quickly.
4-Child Brides in Byzantine Empire:
http://www.roman-emperors.org/aggiefran.htm
Visit this link to see how common were the child brides in the Byzantine Empire.This article clearly states;”Child brides, whether Byzantines or foreign princesses, were the norm rather than the exception, especially from the late twelfth century”.
5-The Pagans of the Prophet’s time:
The fact that it was a completely acceptable thing can also be seen from the response of the pagans at that time. No Muslim or even pagan objected to the marriage because it was widely practiced. And even until today in 3rd world countries (Muslims and non-Muslims), little girls as young as 9 or 10 do get married. Anyway, the reason no one objected was to the Prophet’s marriage was:1-People used to have very short life-spans in Arabia. They used to live between 40 to 60 years maximum. So it was only normal and natural for girls to be married off at ages 9 or 10 or similar.2-Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many non-Muslim and Muslim countries
6-Engagement with Jubair bin Mutim:
It ought also be noted that Sayyidah Aisha ( RA) was engaged to Jubayr son of Mut’im before Prophet Muhammed (Peace be upon him. This indicates the age of marriage and engagement in Prophet’s time. However, the engagement was later nullified by Jubayr’s parents due to Abu Bakr (RA) embracing Islam.Doesn’t this indicate there was nothing bad in marrying a 9 year girl at that time?She must have been even younger when she was engaged to Jubair
7-Sayyidah Aisha was fit for marriage:
Furthermore as to the Holy Prophet’s marriage with Sayyidah Aisha, something people will notice is that the completion of the marriage was done when Sayyidah Aisha was 9 years old, not when she was 6, and there is a reason for that. The reason why this happened is because Sayyidah Aisha had been through puberty by the age of 9, and in Islam a female who under-goes puberty is considered a lady and is fit for marriage.
If we read the hadiths, we find that right before Sayyidah Aisha got married off to the Holy Prophet that she was sick and not feeling too well:
Narrated Sayyidah Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, “Best wishes and Allah’s Blessing and a good luck.” Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah’s Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.” {Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234}
So as we can see, Sayyidah Aisha got ill and her body was going through some changes, indicating that she was going through her puberty.
8-Sayyida Aisha never showed her displeasure:
Another striking thing to observe is that among hundreds of her narrations there is not even a single one showing her displeasure about this marriage. Hence, she had no problem with this relation. Infect it is manifest from several traditions that she loved the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him) too much and even felt some sort of jealousy when she found others around him. Does this not prove that she was extremely happy about this marriage? So, when she herself had no problem at all then what’s the matter of concern for others?
9-A 9-year old Thai girl gave birth:
A 9 old girl can become a mother. If you don’t believe me then see here is the proof;
The news item is from the New Straits Times, 10/3/2001.
In our world today, we still have people who marry very young girls. Why should we object to someone who married a 9-year old girl 1400 years ago, when we still practice it today? The girl above even gave birth at the age of 9!
10-It was absolutely legal:
Prophet Muhammad’s marriage with Aisha was 100% legal and acceptable by all laws and Divine Religions. It is important to know that girls during the Biblical and Islamic days used to be married off at young ages when they either had their first periods, or their breasts start showing off. In other words, when they turn into “women”, then they get married off. It was quite different for men on the other hand, because physical power and the ability of living an independent life had always been and will always be a mandatory requirement for men to have in life. So men waited much longer than women in terms of getting married. The guy had to develop both his body and mind before he was ready for marriage. That is why you see girls as young as 9 or 10 were married to men as old as 30 or even older. The culture back then and in many of the world countries today (NON-MUSLIM ONES TOO) is quite different than what you live in today.And there is no divine law which is broken in marrying a girl of nine at any costs.
11-Her parents never objected:
Sayyidah Aisha’s mother and the Muslim women back then were O.K with her marriage. It was part of the Arab custom and still is in many of the Muslim and non-Muslim countries today for girls to marry at a very young age. When a girl’s body starts showing up (her breasts and her height and physical size), then she would be ready for marriage
The only reason why Sayyidah Aisha’s father, Abu Baker Al Sidique, broke her engagement with Jober is because he was a non-Muslim. Later, a woman named Kholeah Bint Hakeem suggested for Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him to marry Sayyidah Aisha, because the Prophet and Abu Baker became best friends. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) engaged Sayyidah Aisha for 3 years before he married her.
12-Muslims never concealed it:
Had there been any bad thinking regarding this marriage in minds of the people at that time. Muslims would have tried there best to conceal at that time. But they didn’t.
13-Refuting unjust Pagan views:
There were many baseless traditions in practice among the Arabs in those days. So Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was usually ordered by the Almighty ALLAH to refute such traditions through personal examples. Similar is the case of Prophet Muhammad’s marriage with Umm al Momineen Aisha (R.A.)
1-For a bad omen, Arab considered Shawwal a month prohibited for marriage. Sayyidah A’isha’s betrothal and departure from her parent’s house took place in Shawwal. This changed the ridiculous custom.
2-Another bad custom was that the Arabs did not give the hands of their daughters to those who they “called” their brothers (though were not actual brothers). This was the objection raised by Abu Bakr himself, when the Prophet (peace be upon him) made the proposal. The Prophet (Peace be upon him) then told him that a brother in faith was not an actual blood brother to be placed in the prohibited category.
14-Great Wisdom behind this marriage:
Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) marriage with Sayyidah Aisha at that age was indeed a great blessings for all the Muslims ever since. Most of the matters related to cleanliness, married relationship and other household issues have been cleared due to her narrations. She lived a long time after the death of the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) and continued to teach the Ummah about matters of daily routine and great importance.
15-What was Sayyidah Aisha famous for ??
Well what was her specialty? I ask the critics.
Was it beauty?
Was it wealth?
No it was religion!Thus proving the DIVINE LOGIC.
Arwa Bin Zubair says, “I did not find anyone more proficient (than Aisha ) in the knowledge of the Holy Quran, the Commandments of Halal (lawful) and Haram (prohibited), Ilmul-Ansab and Arabic poetry. That is why, even senior companions of the Prophet used to consult Aisha in resolving intricate issues”.
(Jala-ul-Afham by Ibn Qaiyem and Ibn Sa’ad, Vol.2, p.26)
Also see this;
Abu Musa al-Ashari says: “Never had we (the companions) any difficulty for the solution of which we approached Aisha and did not get some useful information from her”. (Sirat-I-Aisha, on the authority of Trimidhi, pg. 163)

Allright .. we can accept that she was physically prepared to marriage..

However, could someone pretend that she was mature enough to give birth to children and take care of them while she can’t even take care of herself ?!

By the way,, according to your historical references, Sayyidah Aisha was playing on a swing when her mom Um Roman came up to get her ready for the wedding night !!

She was playing on a swing!!!

let her get mature first !

I swear to God that you feel overwhelmingly ashamed when talking about this topic ,, it is just the blind biogetry that causes you to harshly defend it !!

Sincerely brother, would you accept this for your sister or your daughter ??

اقتباس:

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة لاديني

Allright .. we can accept that she was physically prepared to marriage..

However, could someone pretend that she was mature enough to give birth to children and take care of them while she can’t even take care of herself ?!

By the way,, according to your historical references, Sayyidah Aisha was playing on a swing when her mom Um Roman came up to get her ready for the wedding night !!

She was playing on a swing!!!

let her get mature first !

I swear to God that you feel overwhelmingly ashamed when talking about this topic ,, it is just the blind biogetry that causes you to harshly defend it !!

Sincerely brother, would you accept this for your sister or your daughter ??

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This site including myself have already written a couple of articles regarding the prophet's marriage to Aisha, however so I thought it would be helpful of me if I wrote a detailed article on this marriage discussing the marriage and why it was something normal back then and nothing strange or bad.

1- Did the Prophet Marry Aisha at the age of 6?

Authentic Hadith reports do show us that the prophet Muhammad did marry Aisha at the age of 6, but they also show the consummation of the marriage was complete when she was 9 years old.


Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234:
Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236:
Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3311:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.

Now some may object to this by saying how could the Prophet marry Aisha at such a young age. One must first understand that 1400 years ago was very different than now, times have changed and so have humans. 1400 years ago it was something very common to marry young girls, in fact they were not considered young girls, rather they were considered young women back then. It is a historic fact that girls from the ages of 9 to 14 were being married in Europe, Asia, and Africa, in fact even in the United States girls at the age of 10 were also being married just more than a century ago.
Yet with these facts no historian claims that all these people were sick perverts, historians would call anyone who made such a claim to be arrogant and very stupid who has no grasp or understanding of history.
Furthermore as to the prophets Marriage with Aisha, something people will notice is that the completion of the marriage was done when Aisha was 9 years old, not when she was 6, and there is a reason for that. The reason why this happened is because Aisha had been through puberty by the age of 9, and in Islam a female who under-goes puberty is considered a lady and is fit for marriage. Now some may say how does a girl go through puberty at the age of 9? :

When does puberty start? Although puberty usually starts between ages 8 to 13 in girls, it may start earlier or later. Everyone's body changes at a different time. Whether you have breasts at age 10 or have not started your period by age 14, do not worry. Everyone goes through puberty eventually. (http://www.healthtouch.com/bin/EContent_HT/cnoteShowLfts.asp?fname=07103&title=PUBERTY+IN+GIRLS+&cid=HT HLTH)

So note, a period for a girl occurs from the age of 8 to 14, though this is not always the case as a girl can also start her period by 14 or maybe 15. However so for Aisha it is most likely her puberty started at 8, and continued till she was 9, and once she was going through puberty and her menses, this made her a lady and not a girl anymore since she was fit for a baby therefore she is no child anymore.
In fact early symptoms of a girl going through puberty is described as:
You may get PMS. PMS or "premenstrual syndrome" is a group of changes you may see and feel before your period. You may have headaches, dizziness, or feel sick to your stomach before your period. You may feel like crying more, feel a little sad, and feel more emotional about everything. PMS may cause you to retain (hold onto) water. Retaining water means that your body tries to keep more body fluid in before and during your period. This may make your breasts tender and cause you to feel bloated, restless, or grumpy.

If we read the hadiths, we find that right before Aisha got married off to the prophet that she was sick and not feeling to well:

Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234:
Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

So as we can see, Aisha got ill and her body was going through some changes, indicating that she was going through her puberty. In fact during puberty a girl will want to be away from her family, meaning her mother and father:


Want to be away from your family: During puberty, you may want to spend most of your time with friends instead of family members. You may feel embarrassed by your family or parents. You may feel like your parents have no idea what you are going through during puberty. It is normal for you to want to be with and dress like your friends most of the time. Just remember that sometime your family may be a better support for you than your friends. (http://www.healthtouch.com/bin/EContent_HT/cnoteShowLfts.asp?fname=07103&title=PUBERTY+IN+GIRLS+&cid=HT HLTH)

Aisha had no problems when she moved in with the Prophet, nor did she show signs of distress from being away from her mother or father, rather she was very happy, obviously not the type of emotion you would get from a supposed child now would you? A child will want to be with its mother and father, and if it is taken away from them it will cry a lot and will be very distressed, yet no such signs were shown from Aisha.

So therefore as we can see, there was nothing wrong with the marriage, Aisha was going through puberty, she was fit to have a child, meaning she was not a child anymore, and under God a lady who goes through puberty is officially considered fit for marriage, this is something that many Christians agree on as do the Jews.


2- Was the Prophet a paedophile?(astaghfurillah may God curse those who call the prophet such a name!)
Now what is a paedophile?
http://www.polfed.org/magazine/08_20...paedophile.htm
"Low self esteem. Many pedophiles, although by no means all, do not have a great sense of capacity for adopting a sexual demeanor towards adults or those of their own age or older. They feel unhappy and fearful at the prospect of sexual behaviour with adults and hence turn to children due to the fact that they are unable to have the strength of personality to seek adults for sexual demeanor. When considering treatment therefore it is important to establish and develop a higher sense of self-esteem in such individuals."
This obviously cannot be referring to the prophet Muhammad, the prophet sure did not have low self esteem, the prophet had hundreds and hundreds of followers and a person with low self esteem would not be able to do what he did.

Secondly, the prophet Muhammad did not have any fear of having sexual intercourse with adults, for instance Khadijah the first wife of the Prophet was much older than he was!
Safiur-Rahman al-Mubarakpuri's biography:
Khadijah Bint Khuwailid:
In Makkah ? prior to Hijra ? the Prophet's household comprised him [pbuh] and his wife Khadijah bint Khuwailid. He was twenty-five and she was forty when they got married. She was the first woman he married. She was the only wife he had till she died. He had sons and daughters with her. None of their sons lived long. They all died. Their daughters were Zainab, Ruqaiya, Umm Kulthum and Fatimah.
Zainab was married to her maternal cousin Abu Al-?As bin Al-Rabi? and that was before Al-Hijra. Ruqaiya and Umm Kulthum were both married to ?Uthman bin ?Affan successively (i.e. he married one after the death of her sister). Fatimah was married to ?Ali bin Abi Talib; and that was in the period between Badr and Uhud battles. The sons and daughters that Fatimah and ?Ali had were Al-Hasan, Al-Husain, Zainab and Umm Kulthum.
It is well-known that the Prophet [pbuh] was exceptionally authorized to have more than four wives for various reasons. The wives he married were thirteen. Nine of them outlived him. Two died in his lifetime: Khadijah and the Mother of the poor (Umm Al-Masakeen) ? Zainab bint Khuzaima, besides two others with whom he did not consummate his marriage.
Let us see what else a pedophile is:
"Lack of impulse control. Many pedophiles find it extremely difficult to deal with the impulsive nature which inclines them towards sexual behaviour to children. They simply cannot control their need for engaging children in sexual practices. They might be said to suffer from an obsessive-compulsive condition. Here again treatment would involve developing better impulse control and of course redirecting the sexual inclinations."
Thankfully the prophet does not fit this description, in fact Aisha herself testifies to it:
Sahih Al-Bukhari
Volume 1, Book 6, Number 299:
Narrated 'Abdur-Rahman bin Al-Aswad:
(on the authority of his father) 'Aisha said: "Whenever Allah's Apostle wanted to fondle anyone of us during her periods (menses), he used to order her to put on an Izar and start fondling her." 'Aisha added, "None of you could control his sexual desires as the Prophet could."

Sahih Muslim
Book 006, Number 2439:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) used to kiss (his wives) while fasting and embraced (them) while fasting; but he had the greatest mastery over his desire among you.

If this was true on the prophet then he would have just had intercourse with Aisha when she was 6 and he would have also married several other girls at the age of 4-7 and had intercourse with them, yet he never did such a thing.

Other symptoms of a paedophile is loneliness, this is defiantly not true for the prophet, he always had people around him, from companions to his wives, he in fact never had much privacy! Also another symptom of a paedophile is someone who was sexually abused as a child or in some part of his or her life, this never happened to the prophet Muhammad.

Let us now see what the scholars have to say regarding the marriage:
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) married ?Aa'ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) after he married Sawdah bint Zam'ah (may Allaah be pleased with her). She - ?Aa'ishah - was the only virgin whom he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) married. And he consummated the marriage with her when she was nine years old.
Among her virtues was the fact that the Revelation did not descend when he under one cover with any of his wives other than her. She was one of the dearest of all people to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and news of her innocence was revealed from above the seven heavens. She was one of the most knowledgeable of his wives, and one of the most knowledgeable women of the ummah as a whole. The senior companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to refer to her opinion and consult her.
With regard to the story of her marriage, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had grieved over the death of the Mother of the Believers Khadeejah, who had supported him and stood by his side, and he called the year in which she died The Year of Sorrow. Then he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) married Sawdah, who was an older woman and was not very beautiful; rather he married her to console her after her husband had died and she stayed among mushrik people. Four years later the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) married ?Aa'ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her), and he was over fifty. Perhaps the reasons for the marriage were as follows:
1 - He saw a dream about marrying her. It is proven in al-Bukhaari from the hadeeth of ?Aa'ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to her: "You were shown to me twice in a dream. I saw that you were wrapped in a piece of silk, and it was said, ?This is your wife.' I uncovered her and saw that it was you. I said, ?If this is from Allaah then it will come to pass.'" (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, no. 3682). As to whether this is a prophetic vision as it appears to be, or a regular dream that may be subject to interpretation, there was a difference of opinion among the scholars, as mentioned by al-Haafiz in Fath al-Baari, 9/181.
2 - The characteristics of intelligence and smartness that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had noticed in ?Aa'ishah even as a small child, so he wanted to marry her so that she would be more able than others to transmit reports of what he did and said. In fact, as stated above, she was a reference point for the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) with regard to their affairs and rulings.
3 - The love of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) for her father Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him), and the persecution that Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him) had suffered for the sake of the call of truth, which he bore with patience. He was the strongest of people in faith and the most sincere in certain faith, after the Prophets.
It may be noted that among his wives were those who were young and old, the daughter of his sworn enemy, the daughter of his closest friend. One of them occupied herself with raising orphans, another distinguished herself from others by fasting and praying qiyaam a great deal. They represented all kinds of people, through whom the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was able to set out a way for the Muslims showing how to deal properly with all kinds of people. [See al-Seerah al-NabawiyyahfiDaw' al-Masaadir al-Asliyyah, p. 711].
With regard to the issue of her being young and your being confused about that, you should note that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) grew up in a hot country, the Arabian Peninsula. Usually in hot countries adolescence comes early and people marry early. This is how the people of Arabia were until recently. Moreover, women vary greatly in their development and their physical readiness for marriage.
If you think - may Allaah guide you - that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not marry any virgin other than ?Aa'ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her), and that all his other wives had been previously married, this will refute the notion spread by many hostile sources, that the basic motive behind the Prophet's marriages was physical desire and enjoyment of women, because if that was his intention he would have chosen only those who were virgins and beautiful etc.
Such slanders against the Prophet of Mercy (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) by kaafirs and others of their ilk, are indicative of their inability to find fault with the law and religion that he brought from Allaah, so they try to find ways to criticize Islam with regard to issues that are not related to sharee'ah.
And Allaah is the Source of strength. May Allaah send blessings and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad and his family and companions. (http://islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=44990&ln=eng)
A scholar on Islamonline.net Muzammil Siddiqi writes:
Before answering your question, we would like first to state that through the centuries, the enemies of Islam have advanced numerous accusations and far-fetched theories to discredit Islam and its last Prophet, Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him). Praise be to Allah alone, all such accusations have been successfully refuted by the Muslim Ummah. It is no wonder that we see a group of some Christians reinventing accusations against the noble character of the Prophet about his marriage to young `A'ishah (may Allah be pleased with her).

We have forwarded your question to Dr. Muzammil H. Siddiqi, former President of the Islamic Society of North America and Director of the Islamic Society of Orange County, Garden Grove, California. He states the following:

"The author of this flyer attacks the character of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) by using these words, "Prophet of God having sex with a 9-year-old girl." He is trying to confuse his readers as if the Prophet was not married to this girl or married her against her will. The Prophet's wife `A'ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) was indeed young, but he married her according to the traditions of his people at that time.

`A'ishah was most pleased with this marriage. She became his best supporter and learned much of Islam from him. She was a great teacher for many women and men of her time. Her parents were very pleased with this marriage. Historically, it is not confirmed that she was 9 years old when she came in the household of the Prophet. There are various reports from age 9 to age 24. Her maturity, knowledge, intelligence, and contributions during the life of the Prophet and afterwards all indicate that she was either an exceptional nine-year-old or must have been older than that. Whatever the case may be about her age, one thing is certain: she was a most compatible spouse of Prophet Muhammad. None of the contemporaries of the Prophet, his friends or foes, are reported to be surprised by this marriage or made objections to it.

The author should read his own Bible and ask himself how fair he is in judging Prophet Muhammad with one standard and his own prophets with another. If he thinks that a Prophet of God should not have a very young wife, then he should also reject Abraham as God's Prophet. If he cannot accept a 50-year-old Prophet of God having a 9-year-old wife (though I do not agree that she was 9), then he should also not accept an 86-year- old Prophet of God who slept with a young maiden of his own wife without marrying her, as the Bible says (see Genesis 16:1-16). He should then reject all the Prophets who came in the line of Prophet Abraham, including Jesus. He should also reject the whole Bible, Old and New Testament, because they both praise Abraham as a great person.

We as Muslims, of course, honor Prophet Ibrahim (peace and blessings be upon him) and respect his marriage to Hajar (may Allah be pleased with her). She was the honored mother of Prophet Isma`il (peace and blessings be upon him and upon all the Prophets of God)."
Another group of scholars also write:
we'd like to make it clear in the very beginning that Prophet's marriage to `Aisha, the Mother of the Faithful, has always been a subject of attack and criticism by the enemies of Islam. First of all, we want to clarify to people who view this marriage as some sort of brutal act and child abuse that they should try to understand the main purpose of this marriage and the condition of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, before the marriage.

As for the purpose of this marriage, it was purely for sociopolitical reason. The Prophet's main concern was the future of Islam. He was interested in strengthening the Muslims by all bonds. This also explains the reason why he married the daughter of `Umar, his Second Successor. It was by his marriage to Juwayriyyah that he gained the support for Islam of the whole clan of Bani Al-Mustaliq and their allied tribes. It was through his marriage to Safiyyah that he neutralized a great section of the hostile Jews of Arabia. By accepting Mariya, the Copt from Egypt, as his wife, he formed a political alliance with a king of great magnitude. So his marriage to `Aisha could never be of anything save cementing his relation with Abu Bakr, `Aisha's father.

As for the Prophet's condition before this marriage, it clearly explained what we've said that it was a purely sublime aim and purpose that motivated him to marry `Aisha. That's why the marriage was not consummated until sometime after the emigration to Madinah, when she had reached maturity. The motives of this marriage can be understood to be anything except passion and physical attraction. However, he lived with her, in addition to Sawdah, for five to six years, when he was 56 years of age, without taking any other wife.

One important point we have to clarify here is that the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, when proposing to `Aisha, was not the first suitor, for, according to many historians, Jubair ibn Mut`am proposed to her before the Prophet, peace and blessings for him. This gives an indication that `Aisha, may Allah be pleased with her, was mature enough for marriage at that age.
Giving more details on this issue, Sheikh Faysal Mawlawi, deputy chairman of the European Council for Fatwa and Research, states the following:
Firstly, Prophet's proposal to `Aisha came through a suggestion made by Khawalh bint Hakim as a sign of strengthening the relation with his Companion Abu Bakr and confirming his love for him.
Secondly, the fact that `Aisha, before the Prophet proposed to her, was being pursued by Jubair ibn Mut`am, indicates that she was mature enough for marriage, according to the prevailing tradition at that time, if not, the Quraish people, who would never waste any chance to insult the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, would have found this marriage as a golden opportunity to pour on him rain of insults. Rather they found nothing wrong in this engagement, and they received the news of the Prophet's proposal for `Aisha as something usual, and even, expected.
`Aisha was not the first case, for many girls married at her same age to men who were at their fathers' age. Hala, the cousin of Amina bint Wahb was married to Abdul-Muttalib on the same day his son `Abdullah married Aminah bint Wahb who was at Hala's same age. Also, the Companion `Umar ibn Al-Khattab married the daughter of Ali ibn Abi Talib, may Allah honor his face, while he was at her grandpa's age.
After the passage of many centuries, we find now some Orientalists who try to strike a comparison between the conditions of our present time and what was existing 1400 years ago. They are trying to apply the criterions of the Western society to that society that existed in the Arabian Peninsula very long ago.
It should be noted that in the hot regions, it's normal for a girl to attain maturity at a very early age. Thus the case is totally different from that which does exist in the cold regions where a girl does not attain puberty before 21 [Physicians maintain that the age of puberty in the hot regions normally ranges from 9 to 16]. At all rates, it should be stressed that the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, on marrying `Aisha, never aimed at fulfilling a lust or satisfying a desire; rather, his aim was to strengthen his relation with the most beloved Companion of his.
Had it been true that the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, aimed at fulfilling a lust or satisfying a desire, he would have done this while still in his youth when he was still free from the responsibilities of delivering Allah's call. At his early age, the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, accepted to marry Khadija, may Allah be pleased with her, who was 15 years older than him. He also never married a new wife until after her death. Even after her passing away, his new wife Sawdah bint Zam`ah was an old-aged widow who possessed no particular appealing qualities. This adds to our certainty that the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, had many great lofty aims behind his marriages. Also, when Khawlah bint Hakim suggested to him to marry`Aisha, the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, thought thoroughly whether to accept or to refuse. He took into consideration his relation with Abu Bakr.
When `Aisha reached the Prophet's house, Sawdah gave her the first place and took care of her till her death.. Afterwards, `Aisha remained a faithful wife to the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him; her 10 years of marriage were of the life of a fully dedicated disciple, trainee and scholarly student in the noble Prophetic school. She was the source of knowledge for almost every Companion. She was of the main sources for revealing knowledge and information of the private life of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him. She was a big celebrity in politics and the best example of generosity.
The Prophet's love for `Aisha was a sign of his love for her father. On being asked about the dearest person to his heart, the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, mentioned `Aisha. Then, on being asked about the dearest man to him and he, peace and blessings be upon him, mentioned her father, Abu Bakr.
Almighty Allah knows best.

And indeed Allah almighty knows best!
ww.muslim-responses.com

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة لاديني

Sincerely brother, would you accept this for your sister or your daughter ??

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Surely I would have accepted with pleasure if any of them was going to have the honour of marriage to prophet Muhammed PBUH

we find the reigns of europe get married in age that we judge is child 10 or 12 ,for exemple Isabelle of Hainaut (10 years) or Jeanne Grey

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Surely I would have accepted with pleasure if any of them was going to have the honour of marriage to prophet Muhammed PBUH

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So, you would have no problem to approve the marriage of your 9 years old daughter to a man who is 4 decades older than she is !!

Isn’t that a violation of human rights, a violation of all the laws of mankind ??

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة لاديني

So, you would have no problem to approve the marriage of your 9 years old daughter to a man who is 4 decades older than she is !!

Isn’t that a violation of human rights, a violation of all the laws of mankind ??

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Puberty usually begins between ages 10 and 14 for girls, and ages 12 and 16 for boys. Some African American girls may start puberty earlier, around age 9.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/e...cle/001168.htm

اقتباس:

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة لاديني

So, you would have no problem to approve the marriage of your 9 years old daughter to a man who is 4 decades older than she is !!

Isn’t that a violation of human rights, a violation of all the laws of mankind ??

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:p018:

I think it is interesting in this thread why you should feel obliged to excuse this marraige of Prophet Mohammed to Aisha. It is known that people married young at that age life expectancy was much shorter. Also girls were given in marraige to seal political alliances.

However just because a girl may reach puberty at an early age it does not neccessarily follow that she is ready and able to take on the role of wife. Physically her body may be preparing her for womanhood but emotionally she may not be ready for all that entails.

It is said that the Prophet Mohammed consummated the marraige when Aisha was nine years old, my today's terms we think too young, but then who can say it may have been common practice. It is also said that Prophet Mohammed married many women and did not consummate the marraige with all of his wives. he had the choice not to consummate the marraige with Aisha but just to love and care for her in a platonic way. he chose not to. Thus leaving muslims with the need to constantly justify his actions in today's world.

Why if Mohammed had so many wives to choose from did he seek the carnel pleasures with a child, but writings show that Aisha herself was ok with this so we can deduce it was a sign of the times they lived in.
Why did Mohammed have so many wives when Allah limited other muslims to having no more than four?

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I think it is interesting in this thread why you should feel obliged to excuse this marraige of Prophet Mohammed to Aisha

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There is a difference between justified and correct misconceptions (suspicion)

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Why if Mohammed had so many wives to choose from did he seek the carnel pleasures with a child, but writings show that Aisha herself was ok with this so we can deduce it was a sign of the times they lived in.
Why did Mohammed have so many wives when Allah limited other muslims to having no more than four?

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We are tired of answering these old suspicions

Do you really can read

http://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/t193367.html

http://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/t195133.html


Now tell me the ethics of the prophets in the Bible

Adultery, lying, polygamy, incest ...


You may not comparison between ethics prophets of the Bible and the Prophet Muhammad

This is such typical response. Try turn the topic around...back to what you see as defiencies in the Bible. But this thread is not about the Bible and its prophets..it's about your prophet and his marraige to Aisha, on which I was expressing an opinion.

I will say prophets were men and as such prone to the same weaknesses and sins and were in need of forgiveness. The only man born sinless is Jesus Christ.

I understand if you find it difficult to answer or don't wish to answer these old suspicions and misconceptions. You must have to do it so often I'm not surprised you find it tiring.

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة pandora

This is such typical response. Try turn the topic around...back to what you see as defiencies in the Bible. But this thread is not about the Bible and its prophets..it's about your prophet and his marraige to Aisha, on which I was expressing an opinion.

I will say prophets were men and as such prone to the same weaknesses and sins and were in need of forgiveness. The only man born sinless is Jesus Christ.

I understand if you find it difficult to answer or don't wish to answer these old suspicions and misconceptions. You must have to do it so often I'm not surprised you find it tiring.

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Haha
I've responded to suspicion
All Christians are fleeing to speak of ethics of the prophets in the Bible

If the prophets of the Bible so bad for what you're talking about morality

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The only man born sinless is Jesus Christ.

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Jesus is a Sinner according to the Nicene Creed



Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene, Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness. And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins; (Luke 3:1-3)

I have decided to take a break from talking in religion comparison . But this farce must end !

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However, could someone pretend that she was mature enough to give birth to children and take care of them while she can’t even take care of herself

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Because I have things to do and I'm not really in good shape to stay in front of a screen for too long , I can't bring you the incidents showing the mental maturity of Lady Aisha God be pleased with her . So I leave it to our brothers and sisters . The point is , you have NO evidence she wasn't mature in any way . And don't say "She played on swings" . It only makes it look more ridiculous . How do you have the nerve to say something so irrational ?! Do these girls of 20 and over years go under the label of "Children" because they play with dolls ? And not just girls I'm telling you . Stop making fun of yourselves , it's such a shame !

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I swear to God that you feel overwhelmingly ashamed when talking about this topic

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This is where you're wrong again . We are not ashamed because our prophet married such a wonderful lady . And moreover , someone who has no problem in a man having sex with a man , sex with a sister or mother - and maybe father and brother ! - , sex with an animal , such a person has NO right object on the marriage of a man and a woman . Since you have no moral basis , you're the last ones to talk about them , Atheists .

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it is just the blind biogetry that causes you to harshly defend it

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False , it is bigotry which makes you so hateful and thinking of perverted things WHENEVER something about the noblest of mankind is said .

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Isn’t that a violation of human rights, a violation of all the laws of mankind

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Shafeeq my man ! An Atheists comes to talk about violating the rules of nature ?! I just remind you of what I said about sex with anyone and anything .You're the first ones to break these rules . So you're the last to talk about them .

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However just because a girl may reach puberty at an early age it does not neccessarily follow that she is ready and able to take on the role of wife. Physically her body may be preparing her for womanhood but emotionally she may not be ready for all that entails

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Again , what evidence do you possibly have she wasn't mature ? All the stories show her great wisdom and intelligence . You don't know the difference rational rules and personal liking . And who doesn't know the hawk ...... grills it !

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Why if Mohammed had so many wives to choose from did he seek the carnel pleasures with a child

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Two misleading pieces of information in your words : Firstly , how many times do we have to YELL in your ears that she wasn't a child ? How many medical references must we bring till you are satisfied ? It's really strange . Secondly , you object on the carnal pleasure with a wife ? Did I get it wrong or something ? Are not husbands and wives supposed to have such pleasure with each other ? How amusing ! Thirdly , you go with the Atheists as well , because someone whose book allows the marriage to THREE years old ( Notice how I wrote them in capital ) doesn't have the right talk about marrying children . And don't go with ( It was the old testament only ! ) The God of the two testaments according to you is the same . Now , we can overlook it if that marriage is only official and there is no physical connection until the wife gets mature . The problem is that YOU don't agree with it . And if your house is glass , don't throw people with rocks . As for you asking about polygamy , the ONLY book on the entire planet through history which limited marriage in any way was Quran . And in Bible , Solomon peace upon him had more than 700 wives . Once again , glass and stones As for prophet Muhammad all peace and blessings upon him , he was allowed to marry more than four by God . That's something we have nothing to do with . God is most wise and knows better . And who gave you the impression that his wives were young and virgins and beautiful in body ? ( They were beautiful in souls , God be pleased of them ) All his wives were widows and old women . Hid first wife was FIFTEEN years older than him , and SHE asked him for marriage ! Do you have an idea what the words in red mean ? Moreover , he didn't marry for years after Lady Khadija passed away . In fact , he only married after Khawla the daughter of Hakim suggested that he does . And she suggested lady Aisha and lady Sawda . Lady Sawda was also an old widow and older than him . But there's something weird here , don't you think ? A woman was the one who suggested that the prophet marries lady Aisha , so do you have the nerve say she didn't know lady Aisha was a child ? Or maybe you'll come up with other acrobatic assumptions ( Yes , acrobatic means "unreal" ) . I believe there is nothing left to say about this .

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I will say prophets were men and as such prone to the same weaknesses and sins and were in need of forgiveness

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What a farce !!!!!!!! ( I did mean to put all these marks ) So if the prophets of Bible do such crimes it is ok because they are just humans , but when you are tricked to believe that our prophet did wrong then it's something that cannot be tolerated ?! That's called "Double Standards" . And before someone cuts something from my words and leave the rest , no , our prophet did nothing wrong . I'm saying that you are TRICKED to believe he did .

That , and all thanks to God , and peace and blessings upon our beloved light of hearts , our teacher , prophet Muhammad .

God knows best .

نوح عليه السلام :
في كتابهم أنه شرب من الخمر فسكر وتعرّى ، ورأى ابنه عورته فلعنه ولعن ابنه -أي حفيد نوح عليه السلام!!!!!

Genesis 9:20-28
</SPAN>9:20 Noah, a man of the soil,46 began to plant a vineyard.47 9:21 When he drank some of the wine, he got drunk and uncovered himself48 inside his tent. 9:22 Ham, the father of Canaan,49 saw his father’s nakedness50 and told his two brothers who were outside. 9:23 Shem and Japheth took the garment51 and placed it on their shoulders. Then they walked in backwards and covered up their father’s nakedness. Their faces were turned52 the other way so they did not see their father’s nakedness.
</SPAN>9:24 When Noah awoke from his drunken stupor53 he learned54 what his youngest son had done55 to him. 9:25 So he said,
“Cursed56 be Canaan!57
The lowest of slaves58
he will be to his brothers.”
</SPAN>9:26 He also said,
“Worthy of praise is59 the Lord, the God of Shem!
May Canaan be the slave of Shem!60
</SPAN>9:27 May God enlarge Japheth’s territory and numbers!61
May he live62 in the tents of Shem
and may Canaan be his slave!”
</SPAN>9:28 After the flood Noah lived 350 years. 9:29 The entire lifetime of Noah was 950 years, and then he died.

لوط عليه السلام :
قالوا عنه: شرب خمراً وسكر ثم زنى بابنتيه وأنجب منهما ولدين موآب وعمون!!!

Genesis19:30-39
19:30 Lot went up from Zoar with his two daughters and settled in the mountains because he was afraid to live in Zoar. So he lived in a cave with his two daughters. 19:31 Later the older daughter said85 to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is no man anywhere nearby86 to have sexual relations with us,87 according to the way of all the world. 19:32 Come, let’s make our father drunk with wine88 so we can have sexual relations89 with him and preserve90 our family line through our father.”91
19:33 So that night they made their father drunk with wine,92 and the older daughter93 came and had sexual relations with her father.94 But he was not aware that she had sexual relations with him and then got up.95 19:34 So in the morning the older daughter96 said to the younger, “Since I had sexual relations with my father last night, let’s make him drunk again tonight.97 Then you go and have sexual relations with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.”98 19:35 So they made their father drunk99 that night as well, and the younger one came and had sexual relations with him.100 But he was not aware that she had sexual relations with him and then got up.101
</SPAN>19:36 In this way both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father. 19:37 The older daughter102 gave birth to a son and named him Moab.103 He is the ancestor of the Moabites of today. 19:38 The younger daughter also gave birth to a son and named him Ben-Ammi.104 He is the ancestor of the Ammonites of today.

يعقوب عليه السلام :

مكر بابيه اسحق وسرق البركة من أخيه عيسو. سفر التكوين [27 : 18 ـ 40].
Genesis 27:18-40
27:18 He went to his father and said, “My father!” Isaac31 replied, “Here I am. Which are you, my son?”32 27:19 Jacob said to his father, “I am Esau, your firstborn. I’ve done as you told me. Now sit up33 and eat some of my wild game so that you can bless me.”34 27:20 But Isaac asked his son, “How in the world35 did you find it so quickly,36 my son?” “Because the Lord your God brought it to me,”37 he replied.38 27:21 Then Isaac said to Jacob, “Come closer so I can touch you,39 my son, and know for certain if you really are my son Esau.”40 27:22 So Jacob went over to his father Isaac, who felt him and said, “The voice is Jacob’s, but the hands are Esau’s.” 27:23 He did not recognize him because his hands were hairy, like his brother Esau’s hands. So Isaac blessed Jacob.41 27:24 Then he asked, “Are you really my son Esau?” “I am,” Jacob42 replied. 27:25 Isaac43 said, “Bring some of the wild game for me to eat, my son.44 Then I will bless you.”45 So Jacob46 brought it to him, and he ate it. He also brought him wine, and Isaac47 drank. 27:26 Then his father Isaac said to him, “Come here and kiss me, my son.” 27:27 So Jacob48 went over and kissed him. When Isaac caught the scent49 of his clothing, he blessed him, saying,
“Yes,50 my son smells
like the scent of an open field
which the Lord has blessed.
27:28 May God give you
the dew of the sky51
and the richness52 of the earth,
and plenty of grain and new wine.
</SPAN>27:29 May peoples serve you
and nations bow down to you.
You will be53 lord54 over your brothers,
and the sons of your mother will bow down to you.55
May those who curse you be cursed,
and those who bless you be blessed.”
</SPAN>27:30 Isaac had just finished blessing Jacob, and Jacob had scarcely left56 his father’s57 presence, when his brother Esau returned from the hunt.58 27:31 He also prepared some tasty food and brought it to his father. Esau59 said to him, “My father, get up60 and eat some of your son’s wild game. Then you can bless me.”61 27:32 His father Isaac asked,62 “Who are you?” “I am your firstborn son,”63 he replied, “Esau!” 27:33 Isaac began to shake violently64 and asked, “Then who else hunted game and brought it to me? I ate all of it just before you arrived, and I blessed him.65 He will indeed be blessed!”
</SPAN>27:34 When Esau heard66 his father’s words, he wailed loudly and bitterly.67 He said to his father, “Bless me too, my father!” 27:35 But Isaac68 replied, “Your brother came in here deceitfully and took away69 your blessing.” 27:36 Esau exclaimed, “‘Jacob’ is the right name for him!70 He has tripped me up71 two times! He took away my birthright, and now, look, he has taken away my blessing!” Then he asked, “Have you not kept back a blessing for me?”
</SPAN>27:37 Isaac replied to Esau, “Look! I have made him lord over you. I have made all his relatives his servants and provided him with grain and new wine. What is left that I can do for you, my son?” 27:38 Esau said to his father, “Do you have only that one blessing, my father? Bless me too!”72 Then Esau wept loudly.73
</SPAN>27:39 So his father Isaac said to him,
“Indeed,74 your home will be
away from the richness75 of the earth,
and away from the dew of the sky above.
</SPAN>27:40 You will live by your sword
but you will serve your brother.
When you grow restless,
you will tear off his yoke
from your neck.”76


ـ صارع الرب وكاد يغلبه. سفر التكوين: [32 : 24 ـ 33].
Genesis 32:24-33
32:24 So Jacob was left alone. Then a man54 wrestled55 with him until daybreak.56 32:25 When the man57 saw that he could not defeat Jacob,58 he struck59 the socket of his hip so the socket of Jacob’s hip was dislocated while he wrestled with him.
32:26 Then the man60 said, “Let me go, for the dawn is breaking.”61 “I will not let you go,” Jacob replied,62 “unless you bless me.”63 32:27 The man asked him,64 “What is your name?”65 He answered, “Jacob.” 32:28 “No longer will your name be Jacob,” the man told him,66 “but Israel,67 because you have fought68 with God and with men and have prevailed.”
</SPAN>32:29 Then Jacob asked, “Please tell me your name.”69 “Why70 do you ask my name?” the man replied.71 Then he blessed72 Jacob73 there. 32:30 So Jacob named the place Peniel,74 explaining,75 “Certainly76 I have seen God face to face77 and have survived.”78
</SPAN>32:31 The sun rose79 over him as he crossed over Penuel,80 but81 he was limping because of his hip. 32:32 That is why to this day82 the Israelites do not eat the sinew which is attached to the socket of the hip, because he struck83 the socket of Jacob’s hip near the attached sinew.

ـ لطم الخدود وشق الجيوب وكفر بقضاء الله حين سمع بخبر أكل الذئب ليوسف -عليه السلام- سفر التتكوين [37 : 32 ـ 38].
Genesis 37:32-38
37:32 Then they brought the special tunic to their father68 and said, “We found this. Determine now whether it is your son’s tunic or not.”
37:33 He recognized it and exclaimed, “It is my son’s tunic! A wild animal has eaten him!69 Joseph has surely been torn to pieces!” 37:34 Then Jacob tore his clothes, put on sackcloth,70 and mourned for his son many days. 37:35 All his sons and daughters stood by71 him to console him, but he refused to be consoled. “No,” he said, “I will go to the grave mourning my son.”72 So Joseph’s73 father wept for him.
</SPAN>37:36 Now74 in Egypt the Midianites75 sold Joseph76 to Potiphar, one of Pharaoh’s officials, the captain of the guard.77

ـ واتهموا بناته بالزنا. سفر التكوين [34: 1 ـ 5].
Genesis 34:1-5
34:1 Now Dinah, Leah’s daughter whom she bore to Jacob, went to meet1 the young women2 of the land. 34:2 When Shechem son of Hamor the Hivite, who ruled that area, saw her, he grabbed her, forced himself on her,3 and sexually assaulted her.4 34:3 Then he became very attached5 to Dinah, Jacob’s daughter. He fell in love with the young woman and spoke romantically to her.6 34:4 Shechem said to his father Hamor, “Acquire this young girl as my wife.”7 34:5 When8 Jacob heard that Shechem9 had violated his daughter Dinah, his sons were with the livestock in the field. So Jacob remained silent10 until they came in.

ويذكر الكتاب المقدس بعد ذكر قصة زنا بنت يعقوب (دِينَةُ ابْنَةُ لَيْئَةَ) أن أبناء يعقوب قاموا بقتل كل الذكور ونهبوا البلدة بعدما أمنوهم على أنفسهم -أي غدروا بهم- وذلك لأن شكيم قد زنى بأختهما. راجع -إن شئت- سفر التكوين [34/ 20ـ 29].
Genesis 34:20-29
34:20 So Hamor and his son Shechem went to the gate46 of their city and spoke to the men of their city, 34:21 “These men are at peace with us. So let them live in the land and travel freely in it, for the land is wide enough47 for them. We will take their daughters for wives, and we will give them our daughters to marry.48 34:22 Only on this one condition will these men consent to live with us and become one people: They demand49 that every male among us be circumcised just as they are circumcised. 34:23 If we do so,50 won’t their livestock, their property, and all their animals become ours? So let’s consent to their demand, so they will live among us.”
34:24 All the men who assembled at the city gate51 agreed with52 Hamor and his son Shechem. Every male who assembled at the city gate53 was circumcised. 34:25 In three days, when they were still in pain, two of Jacob’s sons, Simeon and Levi, Dinah’s brothers, each took his sword54 and went to the unsuspecting city55 and slaughtered every male. 34:26 They killed Hamor and his son Shechem with the sword, took Dinah from Shechem’s house, and left. 34:27 Jacob’s sons killed them56 and looted the city because their sister had been violated.57 34:28 They took their flocks, herds, and donkeys, as well as everything in the city and in the surrounding fields.58 34:29 They captured as plunder59 all their wealth, all their little ones, and their wives, including everything in the houses.


ـ ويقولون أن واحداً من أبنائه -عليه السلام- زنى بسرّية أبيه، والسرية في حكم الزوجة عندنا وعندهم أيضاً. راجع سفر التكوين [35 : 21 ـ 23].
Genesis 35:21-23
35:21 Then Israel traveled on and pitched his tent beyond Migdal Eder.43 35:22 While Israel was living in that land, Reuben had sexual relations with44 Bilhah, his father’s concubine, and Israel heard about it.
Jacob had twelve sons:
35:23 The sons of Leah were Reuben, Jacob’s firstborn, as well as Simeon, Levi, Judah, Issachar, and Zebulun.

مـوسى عليه السـلام :
-خان الله -عز وجل- هو وهارون -عليهما السلام- ولم يقدّسا الله تبارك وتعالى بين شعب إسرائيل كما أمرهما. سفر التثنية [32 : 48-51].
Deuteronomy 32:48-51
:48 Then the Lord said to Moses that same day, 32:49 “Go up to this Abarim67 hill country, to Mount Nebo (which is in the land of Moab opposite Jericho68) and look at the land of Canaan that I am giving to the Israelites as a possession. 32:50 You will die69 on the mountain that you ascend and join your deceased ancestors,70 just as Aaron your brother died on Mount Hor71 and joined his deceased ancestors, 32:51 for both of you72 rebelled against me among the Israelites at the waters of Meribah Kadesh in the desert of Zin when you did not show me proper respect73 among the Israelites.

ـ ويسيء الأدب مع الله وهو يخاطبه. جاء في سفر الخروج [5 : 22ـ 24]: "فَرَجَعَ مُوسَى الَى الرَّبِّ وَقَالَ: يَا سَيِّدُ لِمَاذَا أسَاتَ إلَى هَذَا الشَّعْبِ؟ لِمَاذَا أرْسَلْتَنِي؟ فَانَّهُ مُنْذُ دَخَلْتُ إلَى فِرْعَوْنَ لاتَكَلَّمَ بِاسْمِكَ أسَاءَ إلَى هَذَا الشَّعْبِ. وَأنْتَ لَمْ تُخَلِّصْ شَعْبَكَ".
Exodus 5 : 22-24
The Assurance of Deliverance
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Moses returned58 to the Lord, and said, “Lord,59 why have you caused trouble for this people?60 Why did you ever61 send me? 5:23 From the time I went to speak to Pharaoh in your name, he has caused trouble62 for this people, and you have certainly not rescued63 them!”64

وفي سفر الخروج أيضاً [11 : 11]: "فَقَال مُوسَى لِلرَّبِّ: لِمَاذَا أَسَأْتَ إِلى عَبْدِكَ وَلِمَاذَا لمْ أَجِدْ نِعْمَةً فِي عَيْنَيْكَ حَتَّى أَنَّكَ وَضَعْتَ ثِقْل جَمِيعِ هَذَا الشَّعْبِ عَليَّ؟" .. لم أجده


هـارون عليه السلام :
نسبوا إليه هو صناعة العجل لبني إسرائيل كي يعبدوه من دون الله . سفر الخروج [32 : 1-6]
32:1
The Sin of the Golden Calf


1
When the people saw that Moses delayed2 in coming down3 from the mountain, they4 gathered around Aaron and said to him, “Get up,5 make us gods6 that will go before us. As for this fellow Moses,7 the man who brought us up from the land of Egypt, we do not know what8 has become of him!”
32:2 So Aaron said to them, “Break off the gold earrings that are on the ears of your wives, your sons, and your daughters, and bring them to me.”9 32:3 So all10 the people broke off the gold earrings that were on their ears and brought them to Aaron. 32:4 He accepted the gold11 from them,12 fashioned13 it with an engraving tool, and made a molten calf.14 Then they said, “These are your gods,15 O Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.”
32:5 When16 Aaron saw this,17 he built an altar before it,18 and Aaron made a proclamation19 and said, “Tomorrow will be a feast20 to the Lord.” 32:6 So they got up early on the next day and offered up burnt offerings and brought peace offerings, and the people sat down to eat and drink,21 and they rose up to play.22

داوود عليـه السـلام :
زنا بزوجة جارة أوريا الحثي، وحبلت منه. جاء في سفر صموئيل الثاني [11 : 2ـ 6 ]: "وَكَانَ فِي وَقْتِ الْمَسَاءِ أَنَّ دَاوُدَ قَامَ عَنْ سَرِيرِهِ وَتَمَشَّى عَلَى سَطْحِ بَيْتِ الْمَلِكِ، فَرَأَى مِنْ عَلَى السَّطْحِ امْرَأَةً تَسْتَحِمُّ. وَكَانَتِ الْمَرْأَةُ جَمِيلَةَ الْمَنْظَرِ جِدّاً.. فَأَرْسَلَ دَاوُدُ وَسَأَلَ عَنِ الْمَرْأَةِ، فَقَالَ وَاحِدٌ: أَلَيْسَتْ هَذِهِ بَثْشَبَعَ بِنْتَ أَلِيعَامَ امْرَأَةَ أُورِيَّا الْحِثِّيِّ؟. فَأَرْسَلَ دَاوُدُ رُسُلاً وَأَخَذَهَا، فَدَخَلَتْ إِلَيْهِ فَاضْطَجَعَ مَعَهَا وَهِيَ مُطَهَّرَةٌ مِنْ طَمْثِهَا. ثُمَّ رَجَعَتْ إِلَى بَيْتِهَا. وَحَبِلَتِ الْمَرْأَةُ، فَأَرْسَلَتْ وَأَخْبَرَتْ دَاوُدَ وَقَالَتْ: إِنِّي حُبْلَى.
2Samuel 11 : 1-6

David Commits Adultery with Bathsheba


11:1 In the spring of the year, at the time when kings1 normally conduct wars,2 David sent out Joab with his officers3 and the entire Israelite army.4 They defeated the Ammonites and besieged Rabbah. But David stayed behind in Jerusalem.5 11:2 One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roof of his palace.6 From the roof he saw a woman bathing. Now this woman was very attractive.7 11:3 So David sent someone to inquire about the woman. The messenger8 said, “Isn’t this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam, the wife of Uriah the Hittite?”
11:4 David sent some messengers to get her.9 She came to him and he had sexual relations with her.10 (Now at that time she was in the process of purifying herself from her menstrual uncleanness.)11 Then she returned to her home. 11:5 The woman conceived and then sent word to David saying, “I’m pregnant.”
11:6 So David sent a message to Joab that said, “Send me Uriah the Hittite.” So Joab sent Uriah to David.

-وقالوا أنه أردف ذلك بتدبير مؤامرة لزوج هذه المرأة وقتله وضم هذه المرأة لنسائه وأنجب منها سليمان -عليه السلام- من سفاح -قطع الله لسانهم-. [سفر صموئيل : 11 : 14 ـ 19].
2Samuel 11 : 14-19
11:14 In the morning David wrote a letter to Joab and sent it with Uriah. 11:15 In the letter he wrote: “Station Uriah in the thick of the battle and then withdraw from him so he will be cut down and killed.”
11:16 So as Joab kept watch on the city, he stationed Uriah at the place where he knew the best enemy soldiers19 were. 11:17 When the men of the city came out and fought with Joab, some of David’s soldiers20 fell in battle. Uriah the Hittite also died.
11:18 Then Joab sent a full battle report to David.21 11:19 He instructed the messenger as follows: “When you finish giving the battle report to the king, 11:20

ـ يرقص "بكل قوته" أمام الرب ويتكشّف فتحتقره امرأته. [صموئيل الثاني : 6 : 14 ـ 21].
2Samuel 6 : 14-21
6:14Now David, wearing a linen ephod, was dancing with all his strength before the Lord.24 6:15 David and all Israel25 were bringing up the ark of the Lord, shouting and blowing trumpets.26
6:16 As the ark of the Lord entered the City of David, Saul’s daughter Michal looked out the window. When she saw King David leaping and dancing before the Lord, she despised him.27 6:17 They brought the ark of the Lord and put it in its place28 in the middle of the tent that David had pitched for it. Then David offered burnt sacrifices and peace offerings before the Lord. 6:18 When David finished offering the burnt sacrifices and peace offerings, he pronounced a blessing over the people in the name of the Lord of hosts. 6:19 He then handed out to each member of the entire assembly of Israel,29 both men and women, a portion of bread, a date cake,30 and a raisin cake. Then all the people went home.31 6:20 When David went home to pronounce a blessing on his own house,32 Michal, Saul’s daughter, came out to meet him.33 She said, “How the king of Israel has distinguished34 himself this day! He has exposed himself today before his servants’ slave girls the way a vulgar fool35 might do!”
6:21 David replied to Michal, “It was before the Lord! I was celebrating before the Lord, who chose me over your father and his entire family36 and appointed me as leader over the Lord’s people Israel.

يحضن فتاة عذراء غريبة عنه لتدفئه. [الملوك الأول 1 : 1 ـ 5].
1Kings : 1-5
1:1 King David was very old;1 even when they covered him with blankets,2 he could not get warm. 1:2 His servants advised3 him, “A young virgin must be found for our master, the king,4 to take care of the king’s needs5 and serve as his nurse. She can also sleep with you6 and keep our master, the king, warm.”7 1:3 So they looked through all Israel8 for a beautiful young woman and found Abishag, a Shunammite, and brought her to the king. 1:4 The young woman was very beautiful; she became the king’s nurse and served him, but the king did not have sexual relations with her.9
1:5 Now Adonijah, son of David and Haggith,10 was promoting himself,11 boasting,12 “I will be king!” He managed to acquire13 chariots and horsemen, as well as fifty men to serve as his royal guard.14

ـ ابنه أمنون يزني ببنته ثامار -ابن داود وبنت داود- ولا يقيم عليه الحد. صموئيل الثاني [13 : 21وما بعدها].
2Samuel 13:22
13:21 Now King David heard about all these things and was very angry
13:22 But Absalom said nothing to Amnon, either bad or good, yet Absalom hated Amnon because he had humiliated his sister Tamar.

ـ يقتل 200 فلسطيني ويقطع غلفهم -حشفة الذكر- مهراً لميكال بنت شاول. صموئيل الأول [18 : 25ـ 29].
1Samuel 18:25-29
18:25 Saul replied, “Here is what you should say to David: ‘There is nothing that the king wants as a price for the bride except a hundred Philistine foreskins, so that he can be avenged of his21 enemies.’” (Now Saul was thinking that he could kill David by the hand of the Philistines.)
18:26 So his servants told David these things and David agreed22 to become the king’s son-in-law. Now the specified time had not yet expired23 18:27 when David, along with his men, went out24 and struck down two hundred Philistine men. David brought their foreskins and presented all of them to the king so he could become the king’s son-in-law. Saul then gave him his daughter Michal in marriage.
18:28 When Saul realized25 that the Lord was with David and that his26 daughter Michal loved David,27 18:29 Saul became even more afraid of him.28 Saul continued to be at odds with David from then on.29

ـ قالوا عنه ينشر شعوباً كاملة أطفالاً ونساءاً ورجالاً. سفر أخبار الأيام الأول [20 : 3ـ 5]
1Chronicles 20 :3-5
20:3 He removed the city’s residents and made them do hard labor with saws, iron picks, and axes.5 This was his policy6 with all the Ammonite cities. Then David and all the army returned to Jerusalem.
Battles with the Philistines


20:4 Later there was a battle7 with the Philistines in Gezer.8 At that time Sibbekai the Hushathite killed Sippai,9 one of the descendants of the Rephaim, and the Philistines10 were subdued.
20:5 There was another battle with the Philistines in which Elhanan son of Jair the Bethlehemite killed the brother of Goliath the Gittite,11 whose spear had a shaft as big as the crossbeam of a weaver’s loom.12

سليمان عليه السلام :
تزوج من نساء أجنبيات مخالفاً الشريعة، وأملن قلبه حتى كفر بالله وعبد الأصنام وأقام لها معبداً. الملوك الأول [11: 1ـ 12].

1Kings 11:1-12
11:1 King Solomon fell in love with many foreign women (besides Pharaoh’s daughter), including Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Sidonians, and Hittites. 11:2 They came from nations about which the Lord had warned the Israelites, “You must not establish friendly relations with them!1 If you do, they will surely shift your allegiance to their gods.”2 But Solomon was irresistibly attracted to them.3
11:3 He had 700 royal wives4 and 300 concubines;5 his wives had a powerful influence over him.6 11:4 When Solomon became old, his wives shifted his allegiance to7 other gods; he was not wholeheartedly devoted to the Lord his God, as his father David had been.8 11:5 Solomon worshiped9 the Sidonian goddess Astarte and the detestable Ammonite god Milcom.10 11:6 Solomon did evil in the Lord’s sight;11 he did not remain loyal to12 the Lord, like his father David had. 11:7 Furthermore,13 on the hill east of Jerusalem14 Solomon built a high place15 for the detestable Moabite god Chemosh16 and for the detestable Ammonite god Milcom.17 11:8 He built high places for all his foreign wives so they could burn incense and make sacrifices to their gods.18
11:9 The Lord was angry with Solomon because he had shifted his allegiance19 away from the Lord, the God of Israel, who had appeared to him on two occasions20 11:10 and had warned him about this very thing, so that he would not follow other gods.21 But he did not obey22 the Lord’s command. 11:11 So the Lord said to Solomon, “Because you insist on doing these things and have not kept the covenantal rules I gave you,23 I will surely tear the kingdom away from you and give it to your servant. 11:12 However, for your father David’s sake I will not do this while you are alive. I will tear it away from your son’s hand instead.

شعيب عليه السلام :
مشي عرياناً وحافياً ثلاث سنوات!!! سفر أشعيا [20 : 2ـ 5].

Isaiah20:2-5
20:2 At that time the Lord announced through2 Isaiah son of Amoz: “Go, remove the sackcloth from your waist and take your sandals off your feet.” He did as instructed and walked around in undergarments3 and barefoot. 20:3 Later the Lord explained, “In the same way that my servant Isaiah has walked around in undergarments and barefoot for the past three years, as an object lesson and omen pertaining to Egypt and Cush, 20:4 so the king of Assyria will lead away the captives of Egypt and the exiles of Cush, both young and old. They will be in undergarments and barefoot, with the buttocks exposed; the Egyptians will be publicly humiliated.4 20:5 Those who put their hope in Cush and took pride in Egypt will be afraid and embarrassed.5

اقتباس:

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة لاديني

So, you would have no problem to approve the marriage of your 9 years old daughter to a man who is 4 decades older than she is !!
mankind ??

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of course We have a problem with that today, as it is not normal now .days, girls do not mature that early but that was not the case then. You are not comparing like to like, it is like comparing orange to apples, they both fruits but that where the similarity ends. 1400 years later, different cultures, so that is not fair comparison.

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة لاديني

Isn’t that a violation of human rights, a violation of all the laws of mankind ??

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Although the articles covered it all but I would like to highlight few points.
1. Lady Aisha was already engaged before the prophet, so she was more than ready, and playing with the swings has nothing to do with maturity.
2. it was normal at that time, not this day but it was then this much is true, and was also the case in Europe: five centuries after Muhammad's marriage to Aisha, 33-year-old King John of England married 12-year-old Isabella of Angoulême
3. the enemies of Mohummad peace be upon him, had too many criticisms but none focused on Aisha's age at marriage. Why do you think that ?? because it was normal?!!and nobody suggested your ridiculous idea at that time that he shouldn’t have sex with her, as she is considered a women.
4. To paint Aisha as a victim is completely at odds with her persona, During his lifetime, he established her authority by telling Muslims to consult her in his absence; after his death, she went to be become one of the most prolific and distinguished scholars of her time.
5. A stateswoman, scholar, mufti, and judge, Aisha combined spirituality, activism and knowledge and remains a role model for many Muslim women today.
6. because of her young ages Lady Aisha narrated a lot of hadiths, she also told us a lot about the daily life of the prophet, his relation with his wife, the other wives were much older than her so she had that advantage of remembering more than them, also .
7. The hadiths showed very loving and healthy relationship such as the fact they liked to drink out of the same cup or race one another.


As for Christians you are the last people to pass the moral judgement after what you have attributed to the prophets, as if God will chose the worse of human to convey his message.

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة pandora

I think it is interesting in this thread why you should feel obliged to excuse this marraige of Prophet Mohammed to Aisha. It is known that people married young at that age life expectancy was much shorter. Also girls were given in marraige to seal political alliances.

However just because a girl may reach puberty at an early age it does not neccessarily follow that she is ready and able to take on the role of wife. Physically her body may be preparing her for womanhood but emotionally she may not be ready for all that entails.

It is said that the Prophet Mohammed consummated the marraige when Aisha was nine years old, my today's terms we think too young, but then who can say it may have been common practice. It is also said that Prophet Mohammed married many women and did not consummate the marraige with all of his wives. he had the choice not to consummate the marraige with Aisha but just to love and care for her in a platonic way. he chose not to. Thus leaving muslims with the need to constantly justify his actions in today's world.

Why if Mohammed had so many wives to choose from did he seek the carnel pleasures with a child, but writings show that Aisha herself was ok with this so we can deduce it was a sign of the times they lived in.
Why did Mohammed have so many wives when Allah limited other muslims to having no more than four?

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I think some have been reading things into my post that are not there..

firstly lets make it clear I do not have an issue at all with the age of Aisha at her marraige. It's known that girls were married younger then than what society deems acceptable now. I mean if you know of any nine year old girls in your family circle or friends whatever...would you wish to see them married at nine years, to a much older man?!!!

I believe I said ..see above.. I did not necessarily believe that with puberty comes maturity however in some cases it can, but difficult to prove either way when it comes to individuals from the past.

There is no age mentioned in the Bible in regards to Mary bearing the Messiah, but many believe she could have been fourteen or fifteen based on historical evidence of the time, and traditionally it would have been normal for girls to marry at that age.

I guess the problem people have with the Mohammed Aisha age thing, is when it is emulated in today's world in societies that have moved on from thinking that it is no longer morally acceptable.
What was considered right then is not considered right now. I don't think you should make so much of an issue out of it.

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة فداء الرسول

Jesus is a Sinner according to the Nicene Creed



Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene, Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness. And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins; (Luke 3:1-3)

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[19:19] He said, "I am the messenger of your Lord, to grant you a pure son."
Sura Maryam

http://www.muhammadanism.org/Jesus/JesusQuran.htm

http://www.faithfacts.org/world-reli...-bible#sinless

اقتباس:

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة نصير الدين

I have decided to take a break from talking in religion comparison . But this farce must end !


Because I have things to do and I'm not really in good shape to stay in front of a screen for too long , I can't bring you the incidents showing the mental maturity of Lady Aisha God be pleased with her . So I leave it to our brothers and sisters . The point is , you have NO evidence she wasn't mature in any way . And don't say "She played on swings" . It only makes it look more ridiculous . How do you have the nerve to say something so irrational ?! Do these girls of 20 and over years go under the label of "Children" because they play with dolls ? And not just girls I'm telling you . Stop making fun of yourselves , it's such a shame !



This is where you're wrong again . We are not ashamed because our prophet married such a wonderful lady . And moreover , someone who has no problem in a man having sex with a man , sex with a sister or mother - and maybe father and brother ! - , sex with an animal , such a person has NO right object on the marriage of a man and a woman . Since you have no moral basis , you're the last ones to talk about them , Atheists .

False , it is bigotry which makes you so hateful and thinking of perverted things WHENEVER something about the noblest of mankind is said .

Shafeeq my man ! An Atheists comes to talk about violating the rules of nature ?! I just remind you of what I said about sex with anyone and anything .You're the first ones to break these rules . So you're the last to talk about them .

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Again , what evidence do you possibly have she wasn't mature ? All the stories show her great wisdom and intelligence . You don't know the difference rational rules and personal liking . And who doesn't know the hawk ...... grills it !

Two misleading pieces of information in your words : Firstly , how many times do we have to YELL in your ears that she wasn't a child ? How many medical references must we bring till you are satisfied ? It's really strange . Secondly , you object on the carnal pleasure with a wife ? Did I get it wrong or something ? Are not husbands and wives supposed to have such pleasure with each other ? How amusing ! Thirdly , you go with the Atheists as well , because someone whose book allows the marriage to THREE years old ( Notice how I wrote them in capital ) doesn't have the right talk about marrying children . And don't go with ( It was the old testament only ! ) The God of the two testaments according to you is the same . Now , we can overlook it if that marriage is only official and there is no physical connection until the wife gets mature . The problem is that YOU don't agree with it . And if your house is glass , don't throw people with rocks . As for you asking about polygamy , the ONLY book on the entire planet through history which limited marriage in any way was Quran . And in Bible , Solomon peace upon him had more than 700 wives . Once again , glass and stones As for prophet Muhammad all peace and blessings upon him , he was allowed to marry more than four by God . That's something we have nothing to do with . God is most wise and knows better . And who gave you the impression that his wives were young and virgins and beautiful in body ? ( They were beautiful in souls , God be pleased of them ) All his wives were widows and old women . Hid first wife was FIFTEEN years older than him , and SHE asked him for marriage ! Do you have an idea what the words in red mean ? Moreover , he didn't marry for years after Lady Khadija passed away . In fact , he only married after Khawla the daughter of Hakim suggested that he does . And she suggested lady Aisha and lady Sawda . Lady Sawda was also an old widow and older than him . But there's something weird here , don't you think ? A woman was the one who suggested that the prophet marries lady Aisha , so do you have the nerve say she didn't know lady Aisha was a child ? Or maybe you'll come up with other acrobatic assumptions ( Yes , acrobatic means "unreal" ) . I believe there is nothing left to say about this .

What a farce !!!!!!!! ( I did mean to put all these marks ) So if the prophets of Bible do such crimes it is ok because they are just humans , but when you are tricked to believe that our prophet did wrong then it's something that cannot be tolerated ?! That's called "Double Standards" . And before someone cuts something from my words and leave the rest , no , our prophet did nothing wrong . I'm saying that you are TRICKED to believe he did .

That , and all thanks to God , and peace and blessings upon our beloved light of hearts , our teacher , prophet Muhammad .

God knows best .

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Did I ever say Mohammed's wives were young and beautiful? NO I did not....because I know most of them were older widows or divorced women.

It is quite acceptable for a married COUPLE to have sex, that is why marriage was ordained in the first place...that, and the procreation of children.

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة فداء الرسول

نوح عليه السلام :
في كتابهم أنه شرب من الخمر فسكر وتعرّى ، ورأى ابنه عورته فلعنه ولعن ابنه -أي حفيد نوح عليه السلام!!!!!

Genesis 9:20-28
</SPAN>9:20 Noah, a man of the soil,46 began to plant a vineyard.47 9:21 When he drank some of the wine, he got drunk and uncovered himself48 inside his tent. 9:22 Ham, the father of Canaan,49 saw his father’s nakedness50 and told his two brothers who were outside. 9:23 Shem and Japheth took the garment51 and placed it on their shoulders. Then they walked in backwards and covered up their father’s nakedness. Their faces were turned52 the other way so they did not see their father’s nakedness.
</SPAN>9:24 When Noah awoke from his drunken stupor53 he learned54 what his youngest son had done55 to him. 9:25 So he said,
“Cursed56 be Canaan!57
The lowest of slaves58
he will be to his brothers.”
</SPAN>9:26 He also said,
“Worthy of praise is59 the Lord, the God of Shem!
May Canaan be the slave of Shem!60
</SPAN>9:27 May God enlarge Japheth’s territory and numbers!61
May he live62 in the tents of Shem
and may Canaan be his slave!”
</SPAN>9:28 After the flood Noah lived 350 years. 9:29 The entire lifetime of Noah was 950 years, and then he died.

لوط عليه السلام :
قالوا عنه: شرب خمراً وسكر ثم زنى بابنتيه وأنجب منهما ولدين موآب وعمون!!!

Genesis19:30-39
19:30 Lot went up from Zoar with his two daughters and settled in the mountains because he was afraid to live in Zoar. So he lived in a cave with his two daughters. 19:31 Later the older daughter said85 to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is no man anywhere nearby86 to have sexual relations with us,87 according to the way of all the world. 19:32 Come, let’s make our father drunk with wine88 so we can have sexual relations89 with him and preserve90 our family line through our father.”91
19:33 So that night they made their father drunk with wine,92 and the older daughter93 came and had sexual relations with her father.94 But he was not aware that she had sexual relations with him and then got up.95 19:34 So in the morning the older daughter96 said to the younger, “Since I had sexual relations with my father last night, let’s make him drunk again tonight.97 Then you go and have sexual relations with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.”98 19:35 So they made their father drunk99 that night as well, and the younger one came and had sexual relations with him.100 But he was not aware that she had sexual relations with him and then got up.101
</SPAN>19:36 In this way both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father. 19:37 The older daughter102 gave birth to a son and named him Moab.103 He is the ancestor of the Moabites of today. 19:38 The younger daughter also gave birth to a son and named him Ben-Ammi.104 He is the ancestor of the Ammonites of today.

يعقوب عليه السلام :

مكر بابيه اسحق وسرق البركة من أخيه عيسو. سفر التكوين [27 : 18 ـ 40].
Genesis 27:18-40
27:18 He went to his father and said, “My father!” Isaac31 replied, “Here I am. Which are you, my son?”32 27:19 Jacob said to his father, “I am Esau, your firstborn. I’ve done as you told me. Now sit up33 and eat some of my wild game so that you can bless me.”34 27:20 But Isaac asked his son, “How in the world35 did you find it so quickly,36 my son?” “Because the Lord your God brought it to me,”37 he replied.38 27:21 Then Isaac said to Jacob, “Come closer so I can touch you,39 my son, and know for certain if you really are my son Esau.”40 27:22 So Jacob went over to his father Isaac, who felt him and said, “The voice is Jacob’s, but the hands are Esau’s.” 27:23 He did not recognize him because his hands were hairy, like his brother Esau’s hands. So Isaac blessed Jacob.41 27:24 Then he asked, “Are you really my son Esau?” “I am,” Jacob42 replied. 27:25 Isaac43 said, “Bring some of the wild game for me to eat, my son.44 Then I will bless you.”45 So Jacob46 brought it to him, and he ate it. He also brought him wine, and Isaac47 drank. 27:26 Then his father Isaac said to him, “Come here and kiss me, my son.” 27:27 So Jacob48 went over and kissed him. When Isaac caught the scent49 of his clothing, he blessed him, saying,
“Yes,50 my son smells
like the scent of an open field
which the Lord has blessed.
27:28 May God give you
the dew of the sky51
and the richness52 of the earth,
and plenty of grain and new wine.
</SPAN>27:29 May peoples serve you
and nations bow down to you.
You will be53 lord54 over your brothers,
and the sons of your mother will bow down to you.55
May those who curse you be cursed,
and those who bless you be blessed.”
</SPAN>27:30 Isaac had just finished blessing Jacob, and Jacob had scarcely left56 his father’s57 presence, when his brother Esau returned from the hunt.58 27:31 He also prepared some tasty food and brought it to his father. Esau59 said to him, “My father, get up60 and eat some of your son’s wild game. Then you can bless me.”61 27:32 His father Isaac asked,62 “Who are you?” “I am your firstborn son,”63 he replied, “Esau!” 27:33 Isaac began to shake violently64 and asked, “Then who else hunted game and brought it to me? I ate all of it just before you arrived, and I blessed him.65 He will indeed be blessed!”
</SPAN>27:34 When Esau heard66 his father’s words, he wailed loudly and bitterly.67 He said to his father, “Bless me too, my father!” 27:35 But Isaac68 replied, “Your brother came in here deceitfully and took away69 your blessing.” 27:36 Esau exclaimed, “‘Jacob’ is the right name for him!70 He has tripped me up71 two times! He took away my birthright, and now, look, he has taken away my blessing!” Then he asked, “Have you not kept back a blessing for me?”
</SPAN>27:37 Isaac replied to Esau, “Look! I have made him lord over you. I have made all his relatives his servants and provided him with grain and new wine. What is left that I can do for you, my son?” 27:38 Esau said to his father, “Do you have only that one blessing, my father? Bless me too!”72 Then Esau wept loudly.73
</SPAN>27:39 So his father Isaac said to him,
“Indeed,74 your home will be
away from the richness75 of the earth,
and away from the dew of the sky above.
</SPAN>27:40 You will live by your sword
but you will serve your brother.
When you grow restless,
you will tear off his yoke
from your neck.”76


ـ صارع الرب وكاد يغلبه. سفر التكوين: [32 : 24 ـ 33].
Genesis 32:24-33
32:24 So Jacob was left alone. Then a man54 wrestled55 with him until daybreak.56 32:25 When the man57 saw that he could not defeat Jacob,58 he struck59 the socket of his hip so the socket of Jacob’s hip was dislocated while he wrestled with him.
32:26 Then the man60 said, “Let me go, for the dawn is breaking.”61 “I will not let you go,” Jacob replied,62 “unless you bless me.”63 32:27 The man asked him,64 “What is your name?”65 He answered, “Jacob.” 32:28 “No longer will your name be Jacob,” the man told him,66 “but Israel,67 because you have fought68 with God and with men and have prevailed.”
</SPAN>32:29 Then Jacob asked, “Please tell me your name.”69 “Why70 do you ask my name?” the man replied.71 Then he blessed72 Jacob73 there. 32:30 So Jacob named the place Peniel,74 explaining,75 “Certainly76 I have seen God face to face77 and have survived.”78
</SPAN>32:31 The sun rose79 over him as he crossed over Penuel,80 but81 he was limping because of his hip. 32:32 That is why to this day82 the Israelites do not eat the sinew which is attached to the socket of the hip, because he struck83 the socket of Jacob’s hip near the attached sinew.

ـ لطم الخدود وشق الجيوب وكفر بقضاء الله حين سمع بخبر أكل الذئب ليوسف -عليه السلام- سفر التتكوين [37 : 32 ـ 38].
Genesis 37:32-38
37:32 Then they brought the special tunic to their father68 and said, “We found this. Determine now whether it is your son’s tunic or not.”
37:33 He recognized it and exclaimed, “It is my son’s tunic! A wild animal has eaten him!69 Joseph has surely been torn to pieces!” 37:34 Then Jacob tore his clothes, put on sackcloth,70 and mourned for his son many days. 37:35 All his sons and daughters stood by71 him to console him, but he refused to be consoled. “No,” he said, “I will go to the grave mourning my son.”72 So Joseph’s73 father wept for him.
</SPAN>37:36 Now74 in Egypt the Midianites75 sold Joseph76 to Potiphar, one of Pharaoh’s officials, the captain of the guard.77

ـ واتهموا بناته بالزنا. سفر التكوين [34: 1 ـ 5].
Genesis 34:1-5
34:1 Now Dinah, Leah’s daughter whom she bore to Jacob, went to meet1 the young women2 of the land. 34:2 When Shechem son of Hamor the Hivite, who ruled that area, saw her, he grabbed her, forced himself on her,3 and sexually assaulted her.4 34:3 Then he became very attached5 to Dinah, Jacob’s daughter. He fell in love with the young woman and spoke romantically to her.6 34:4 Shechem said to his father Hamor, “Acquire this young girl as my wife.”7 34:5 When8 Jacob heard that Shechem9 had violated his daughter Dinah, his sons were with the livestock in the field. So Jacob remained silent10 until they came in.

ويذكر الكتاب المقدس بعد ذكر قصة زنا بنت يعقوب (دِينَةُ ابْنَةُ لَيْئَةَ) أن أبناء يعقوب قاموا بقتل كل الذكور ونهبوا البلدة بعدما أمنوهم على أنفسهم -أي غدروا بهم- وذلك لأن شكيم قد زنى بأختهما. راجع -إن شئت- سفر التكوين [34/ 20ـ 29].
Genesis 34:20-29
34:20 So Hamor and his son Shechem went to the gate46 of their city and spoke to the men of their city, 34:21 “These men are at peace with us. So let them live in the land and travel freely in it, for the land is wide enough47 for them. We will take their daughters for wives, and we will give them our daughters to marry.48 34:22 Only on this one condition will these men consent to live with us and become one people: They demand49 that every male among us be circumcised just as they are circumcised. 34:23 If we do so,50 won’t their livestock, their property, and all their animals become ours? So let’s consent to their demand, so they will live among us.”
34:24 All the men who assembled at the city gate51 agreed with52 Hamor and his son Shechem. Every male who assembled at the city gate53 was circumcised. 34:25 In three days, when they were still in pain, two of Jacob’s sons, Simeon and Levi, Dinah’s brothers, each took his sword54 and went to the unsuspecting city55 and slaughtered every male. 34:26 They killed Hamor and his son Shechem with the sword, took Dinah from Shechem’s house, and left. 34:27 Jacob’s sons killed them56 and looted the city because their sister had been violated.57 34:28 They took their flocks, herds, and donkeys, as well as everything in the city and in the surrounding fields.58 34:29 They captured as plunder59 all their wealth, all their little ones, and their wives, including everything in the houses.


ـ ويقولون أن واحداً من أبنائه -عليه السلام- زنى بسرّية أبيه، والسرية في حكم الزوجة عندنا وعندهم أيضاً. راجع سفر التكوين [35 : 21 ـ 23].
Genesis 35:21-23
35:21 Then Israel traveled on and pitched his tent beyond Migdal Eder.43 35:22 While Israel was living in that land, Reuben had sexual relations with44 Bilhah, his father’s concubine, and Israel heard about it.
Jacob had twelve sons:
35:23 The sons of Leah were Reuben, Jacob’s firstborn, as well as Simeon, Levi, Judah, Issachar, and Zebulun.

مـوسى عليه السـلام :
-خان الله -عز وجل- هو وهارون -عليهما السلام- ولم يقدّسا الله تبارك وتعالى بين شعب إسرائيل كما أمرهما. سفر التثنية [32 : 48-51].
Deuteronomy 32:48-51
:48 Then the Lord said to Moses that same day, 32:49 “Go up to this Abarim67 hill country, to Mount Nebo (which is in the land of Moab opposite Jericho68) and look at the land of Canaan that I am giving to the Israelites as a possession. 32:50 You will die69 on the mountain that you ascend and join your deceased ancestors,70 just as Aaron your brother died on Mount Hor71 and joined his deceased ancestors, 32:51 for both of you72 rebelled against me among the Israelites at the waters of Meribah Kadesh in the desert of Zin when you did not show me proper respect73 among the Israelites.

ـ ويسيء الأدب مع الله وهو يخاطبه. جاء في سفر الخروج [5 : 22ـ 24]: "فَرَجَعَ مُوسَى الَى الرَّبِّ وَقَالَ: يَا سَيِّدُ لِمَاذَا أسَاتَ إلَى هَذَا الشَّعْبِ؟ لِمَاذَا أرْسَلْتَنِي؟ فَانَّهُ مُنْذُ دَخَلْتُ إلَى فِرْعَوْنَ لاتَكَلَّمَ بِاسْمِكَ أسَاءَ إلَى هَذَا الشَّعْبِ. وَأنْتَ لَمْ تُخَلِّصْ شَعْبَكَ".
Exodus 5 : 22-24
The Assurance of Deliverance
57
Moses returned58 to the Lord, and said, “Lord,59 why have you caused trouble for this people?60 Why did you ever61 send me? 5:23 From the time I went to speak to Pharaoh in your name, he has caused trouble62 for this people, and you have certainly not rescued63 them!”64

وفي سفر الخروج أيضاً [11 : 11]: "فَقَال مُوسَى لِلرَّبِّ: لِمَاذَا أَسَأْتَ إِلى عَبْدِكَ وَلِمَاذَا لمْ أَجِدْ نِعْمَةً فِي عَيْنَيْكَ حَتَّى أَنَّكَ وَضَعْتَ ثِقْل جَمِيعِ هَذَا الشَّعْبِ عَليَّ؟" .. لم أجده


هـارون عليه السلام :
نسبوا إليه هو صناعة العجل لبني إسرائيل كي يعبدوه من دون الله . سفر الخروج [32 : 1-6]
32:1
The Sin of the Golden Calf


1
When the people saw that Moses delayed2 in coming down3 from the mountain, they4 gathered around Aaron and said to him, “Get up,5 make us gods6 that will go before us. As for this fellow Moses,7 the man who brought us up from the land of Egypt, we do not know what8 has become of him!”
32:2 So Aaron said to them, “Break off the gold earrings that are on the ears of your wives, your sons, and your daughters, and bring them to me.”9 32:3 So all10 the people broke off the gold earrings that were on their ears and brought them to Aaron. 32:4 He accepted the gold11 from them,12 fashioned13 it with an engraving tool, and made a molten calf.14 Then they said, “These are your gods,15 O Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.”
32:5 When16 Aaron saw this,17 he built an altar before it,18 and Aaron made a proclamation19 and said, “Tomorrow will be a feast20 to the Lord.” 32:6 So they got up early on the next day and offered up burnt offerings and brought peace offerings, and the people sat down to eat and drink,21 and they rose up to play.22

داوود عليـه السـلام :
زنا بزوجة جارة أوريا الحثي، وحبلت منه. جاء في سفر صموئيل الثاني [11 : 2ـ 6 ]: "وَكَانَ فِي وَقْتِ الْمَسَاءِ أَنَّ دَاوُدَ قَامَ عَنْ سَرِيرِهِ وَتَمَشَّى عَلَى سَطْحِ بَيْتِ الْمَلِكِ، فَرَأَى مِنْ عَلَى السَّطْحِ امْرَأَةً تَسْتَحِمُّ. وَكَانَتِ الْمَرْأَةُ جَمِيلَةَ الْمَنْظَرِ جِدّاً.. فَأَرْسَلَ دَاوُدُ وَسَأَلَ عَنِ الْمَرْأَةِ، فَقَالَ وَاحِدٌ: أَلَيْسَتْ هَذِهِ بَثْشَبَعَ بِنْتَ أَلِيعَامَ امْرَأَةَ أُورِيَّا الْحِثِّيِّ؟. فَأَرْسَلَ دَاوُدُ رُسُلاً وَأَخَذَهَا، فَدَخَلَتْ إِلَيْهِ فَاضْطَجَعَ مَعَهَا وَهِيَ مُطَهَّرَةٌ مِنْ طَمْثِهَا. ثُمَّ رَجَعَتْ إِلَى بَيْتِهَا. وَحَبِلَتِ الْمَرْأَةُ، فَأَرْسَلَتْ وَأَخْبَرَتْ دَاوُدَ وَقَالَتْ: إِنِّي حُبْلَى.
2Samuel 11 : 1-6

David Commits Adultery with Bathsheba


11:1 In the spring of the year, at the time when kings1 normally conduct wars,2 David sent out Joab with his officers3 and the entire Israelite army.4 They defeated the Ammonites and besieged Rabbah. But David stayed behind in Jerusalem.5 11:2 One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roof of his palace.6 From the roof he saw a woman bathing. Now this woman was very attractive.7 11:3 So David sent someone to inquire about the woman. The messenger8 said, “Isn’t this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam, the wife of Uriah the Hittite?”
11:4 David sent some messengers to get her.9 She came to him and he had sexual relations with her.10 (Now at that time she was in the process of purifying herself from her menstrual uncleanness.)11 Then she returned to her home. 11:5 The woman conceived and then sent word to David saying, “I’m pregnant.”
11:6 So David sent a message to Joab that said, “Send me Uriah the Hittite.” So Joab sent Uriah to David.

-وقالوا أنه أردف ذلك بتدبير مؤامرة لزوج هذه المرأة وقتله وضم هذه المرأة لنسائه وأنجب منها سليمان -عليه السلام- من سفاح -قطع الله لسانهم-. [سفر صموئيل : 11 : 14 ـ 19].
2Samuel 11 : 14-19
11:14 In the morning David wrote a letter to Joab and sent it with Uriah. 11:15 In the letter he wrote: “Station Uriah in the thick of the battle and then withdraw from him so he will be cut down and killed.”
11:16 So as Joab kept watch on the city, he stationed Uriah at the place where he knew the best enemy soldiers19 were. 11:17 When the men of the city came out and fought with Joab, some of David’s soldiers20 fell in battle. Uriah the Hittite also died.
11:18 Then Joab sent a full battle report to David.21 11:19 He instructed the messenger as follows: “When you finish giving the battle report to the king, 11:20

ـ يرقص "بكل قوته" أمام الرب ويتكشّف فتحتقره امرأته. [صموئيل الثاني : 6 : 14 ـ 21].
2Samuel 6 : 14-21
6:14Now David, wearing a linen ephod, was dancing with all his strength before the Lord.24 6:15 David and all Israel25 were bringing up the ark of the Lord, shouting and blowing trumpets.26
6:16 As the ark of the Lord entered the City of David, Saul’s daughter Michal looked out the window. When she saw King David leaping and dancing before the Lord, she despised him.27 6:17 They brought the ark of the Lord and put it in its place28 in the middle of the tent that David had pitched for it. Then David offered burnt sacrifices and peace offerings before the Lord. 6:18 When David finished offering the burnt sacrifices and peace offerings, he pronounced a blessing over the people in the name of the Lord of hosts. 6:19 He then handed out to each member of the entire assembly of Israel,29 both men and women, a portion of bread, a date cake,30 and a raisin cake. Then all the people went home.31 6:20 When David went home to pronounce a blessing on his own house,32 Michal, Saul’s daughter, came out to meet him.33 She said, “How the king of Israel has distinguished34 himself this day! He has exposed himself today before his servants’ slave girls the way a vulgar fool35 might do!”
6:21 David replied to Michal, “It was before the Lord! I was celebrating before the Lord, who chose me over your father and his entire family36 and appointed me as leader over the Lord’s people Israel.

يحضن فتاة عذراء غريبة عنه لتدفئه. [الملوك الأول 1 : 1 ـ 5].
1Kings : 1-5
1:1 King David was very old;1 even when they covered him with blankets,2 he could not get warm. 1:2 His servants advised3 him, “A young virgin must be found for our master, the king,4 to take care of the king’s needs5 and serve as his nurse. She can also sleep with you6 and keep our master, the king, warm.”7 1:3 So they looked through all Israel8 for a beautiful young woman and found Abishag, a Shunammite, and brought her to the king. 1:4 The young woman was very beautiful; she became the king’s nurse and served him, but the king did not have sexual relations with her.9
1:5 Now Adonijah, son of David and Haggith,10 was promoting himself,11 boasting,12 “I will be king!” He managed to acquire13 chariots and horsemen, as well as fifty men to serve as his royal guard.14

ـ ابنه أمنون يزني ببنته ثامار -ابن داود وبنت داود- ولا يقيم عليه الحد. صموئيل الثاني [13 : 21وما بعدها].
2Samuel 13:22
13:21 Now King David heard about all these things and was very angry
13:22 But Absalom said nothing to Amnon, either bad or good, yet Absalom hated Amnon because he had humiliated his sister Tamar.

ـ يقتل 200 فلسطيني ويقطع غلفهم -حشفة الذكر- مهراً لميكال بنت شاول. صموئيل الأول [18 : 25ـ 29].
1Samuel 18:25-29
18:25 Saul replied, “Here is what you should say to David: ‘There is nothing that the king wants as a price for the bride except a hundred Philistine foreskins, so that he can be avenged of his21 enemies.’” (Now Saul was thinking that he could kill David by the hand of the Philistines.)
18:26 So his servants told David these things and David agreed22 to become the king’s son-in-law. Now the specified time had not yet expired23 18:27 when David, along with his men, went out24 and struck down two hundred Philistine men. David brought their foreskins and presented all of them to the king so he could become the king’s son-in-law. Saul then gave him his daughter Michal in marriage.
18:28 When Saul realized25 that the Lord was with David and that his26 daughter Michal loved David,27 18:29 Saul became even more afraid of him.28 Saul continued to be at odds with David from then on.29

ـ قالوا عنه ينشر شعوباً كاملة أطفالاً ونساءاً ورجالاً. سفر أخبار الأيام الأول [20 : 3ـ 5]
1Chronicles 20 :3-5
20:3 He removed the city’s residents and made them do hard labor with saws, iron picks, and axes.5 This was his policy6 with all the Ammonite cities. Then David and all the army returned to Jerusalem.
Battles with the Philistines


20:4 Later there was a battle7 with the Philistines in Gezer.8 At that time Sibbekai the Hushathite killed Sippai,9 one of the descendants of the Rephaim, and the Philistines10 were subdued.
20:5 There was another battle with the Philistines in which Elhanan son of Jair the Bethlehemite killed the brother of Goliath the Gittite,11 whose spear had a shaft as big as the crossbeam of a weaver’s loom.12

سليمان عليه السلام :
تزوج من نساء أجنبيات مخالفاً الشريعة، وأملن قلبه حتى كفر بالله وعبد الأصنام وأقام لها معبداً. الملوك الأول [11: 1ـ 12].

1Kings 11:1-12
11:1 King Solomon fell in love with many foreign women (besides Pharaoh’s daughter), including Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Sidonians, and Hittites. 11:2 They came from nations about which the Lord had warned the Israelites, “You must not establish friendly relations with them!1 If you do, they will surely shift your allegiance to their gods.”2 But Solomon was irresistibly attracted to them.3
11:3 He had 700 royal wives4 and 300 concubines;5 his wives had a powerful influence over him.6 11:4 When Solomon became old, his wives shifted his allegiance to7 other gods; he was not wholeheartedly devoted to the Lord his God, as his father David had been.8 11:5 Solomon worshiped9 the Sidonian goddess Astarte and the detestable Ammonite god Milcom.10 11:6 Solomon did evil in the Lord’s sight;11 he did not remain loyal to12 the Lord, like his father David had. 11:7 Furthermore,13 on the hill east of Jerusalem14 Solomon built a high place15 for the detestable Moabite god Chemosh16 and for the detestable Ammonite god Milcom.17 11:8 He built high places for all his foreign wives so they could burn incense and make sacrifices to their gods.18
11:9 The Lord was angry with Solomon because he had shifted his allegiance19 away from the Lord, the God of Israel, who had appeared to him on two occasions20 11:10 and had warned him about this very thing, so that he would not follow other gods.21 But he did not obey22 the Lord’s command. 11:11 So the Lord said to Solomon, “Because you insist on doing these things and have not kept the covenantal rules I gave you,23 I will surely tear the kingdom away from you and give it to your servant. 11:12 However, for your father David’s sake I will not do this while you are alive. I will tear it away from your son’s hand instead.

شعيب عليه السلام :
مشي عرياناً وحافياً ثلاث سنوات!!! سفر أشعيا [20 : 2ـ 5].

Isaiah20:2-5
20:2 At that time the Lord announced through2 Isaiah son of Amoz: “Go, remove the sackcloth from your waist and take your sandals off your feet.” He did as instructed and walked around in undergarments3 and barefoot. 20:3 Later the Lord explained, “In the same way that my servant Isaiah has walked around in undergarments and barefoot for the past three years, as an object lesson and omen pertaining to Egypt and Cush, 20:4 so the king of Assyria will lead away the captives of Egypt and the exiles of Cush, both young and old. They will be in undergarments and barefoot, with the buttocks exposed; the Egyptians will be publicly humiliated.4 20:5 Those who put their hope in Cush and took pride in Egypt will be afraid and embarrassed.5

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Wow...you've been well busy with all this cutting and pasting. :p015: I'm impressed. However I'm not sure want points here you are trying to make, so find it a bit hard to respond where first.

I'll keep it general. I can see where you get into bother with the Biblical Prophets and polygamy question, because you see the Bible and Quran in maybe similar ways, or maybe I'm making an assumption there that you see them as the words of God (with of course in your view the Bible being corrupted). We do not see the Bible this way, Yes it contains the word of God, but it is more than that. It is also an historical account of life at the times and a moral guide on how YHWH wishes us to live our life.

It is written over a timespan of 1500 years there about, by numerous different authors from various backgrounds. Under the guidance of the Holy Spirit of God. Each and every book has a lesson to teach, as all people are unique we may see this lesson in a different way than it was meant..or may not get it at all.

YHWH NEVER condoned polygamy in the Bible, this was not to say it did not happen and when it did, it was due to mans sinful nature not by YHWHs decree. As a result bad things usually followed...lesson learnt One wife to one husband was YHWHs wish. Polygamy was NEVER a divine law in the Bible. When Moses brought the Torah from God polygamy was not mentioned, the reason there is no law limiting the number of wives in the Bible was YHWH never gave one to Moses. However there are many examples why monogamy was preferred.

Jesus never came to abolish the law, He came to fulfil it. As there was no law for polygamy given by YHWH...then there was nothing for the Messiah to change. men being men...that being mainly sinful in nature of course went on to commit polygamy anyway, by there own justifications and following their own desires.

Regards Solomon and David they were both Kings as well as Prophets and as Kings of that time traditionally more than more wife was acceptable...didn't make it right in Gods eyes then and I don't believe it is right now. but you are entitled to believe what you wish.

Pandora , we didn't make an issue , you did . You keep telling us that we have no evidence lady Aisha was mature - And that's a lie with horns as we call it ! - as if we need to bring an evidence someone is innocent . All the world goes with ( Innocent unless proven guilty ) except when it comes to Islam , in that case it is ( Guilty unless proven innocent ) And it shows clearly with you . And moreover , you have the boldness to say such a rude thing as she was a child although the whole article says she wasn't and brings proof to it .

So no , it is you who makes it an issue .

اقتباس:

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Wow...you've been well busy with all this cutting and pasting. I'm impressed. However I'm not sure want points here you are trying to make, so find it a bit hard to respond where first.

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Copy and paste from the Bible is there a problem?
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I'll keep it general. I can see where you get into bother with the Biblical Prophets and polygamy question, because you see the Bible and Quran in maybe similar ways, or maybe I'm making an assumption there that you see them as the words of God (with of course in your view the Bible being corrupted). We do not see the Bible this way, Yes it contains the word of God, but it is more than that. It is also an historical account of life at the times and a moral guide on how YHWH wishes us to live our life.

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at the times and a moral guide on how YHWH wishes us to live our life.



at the times and a moral guide on how YHWH wishes us to live our life.



at the times and a moral guide on how YHWH wishes us to live our life.



at the times and a moral guide on how YHWH wishes us to live our life.


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Do you see that Christ only has the morality
The prophets in the Bible without morals?

Why if published suspicions about the Prophet Muhammad and is better than the prophets of the Bible


We will return to the ethics of Jesus (immoral) I promise

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YHWH NEVER condoned polygamy in the Bible, this was not to say it did not happen and when it did, it was due to mans sinful nature not by YHWHs decree. As a result bad things usually followed...lesson learnt One wife to one husband was YHWHs wish. Polygamy was NEVER a divine law in the Bible. When Moses brought the Torah from God polygamy was not mentioned, the reason there is no law limiting the number of wives in the Bible was YHWH never gave one to Moses. However there are many examples why monogamy was preferred.

Jesus never came to abolish the law, He came to fulfil it. As there was no law for polygamy given by YHWH...then there was nothing for the Messiah to change. men being men...that being mainly sinful in nature of course went on to commit polygamy anyway, by there own justifications and following their own desires.

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This is proof that the prophets of the Bible violated the teachings of Jesus

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Regards Solomon and David they were both Kings as well as Prophets and as Kings of that time traditionally more than more wife was acceptable...didn't make it right in Gods eyes then and I don't believe it is right now. but you are entitled to believe what you wish.

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This fun, this bankruptcy

Pandora recognized the prophets of the Bible: fornicators. them a lot of wives-lie-they have no ethics


People who live in glass houses should not throw stones

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[19:19] He said, "I am the messenger of your Lord, to grant you a pure son."
Sura Maryam

http://www.muhammadanism.org/Jesus/JesusQuran.htm

http://www.faithfacts.org/world-reli...-bible#sinless

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You want to prove that Christ did not faulting of the Koran.Islam describes prophets always good, but did not mention that Christ is God



What is your comment

Jesus is a Sinner according to the Nicene Creed



Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene, Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness. And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins; (Luke 3:1-3)

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المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة فداء الرسول

Copy and paste from the Bible is there a problem?
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at the times and a moral guide on how YHWH wishes us to live our life.



at the times and a moral guide on how YHWH wishes us to live our life.



at the times and a moral guide on how YHWH wishes us to live our life.



at the times and a moral guide on how YHWH wishes us to live our life.


:p015:

Do you see that Christ only has the morality
The prophets in the Bible without morals?

Why if published suspicions about the Prophet Muhammad and is better than the prophets of the Bible


We will return to the ethics of Jesus (immoral) I promise







This is proof that the prophets of the Bible violated the teachings of Jesus





This fun, this bankruptcy

Pandora recognized the prophets of the Bible: fornicators. them a lot of wives-lie-they have no ethics


People who live in glass houses should not throw stones

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The Old Testament prophets lived hundreds of years before Christ came to being, Christ as the Messiah was to perfect YHWHs message given to previous Prophets. They did not violate his teachings because Christs mission had not begun.

Yet as they were human, they did violate Gods word. Did God forgive them? I would guess that to be a yes seeing as God is all love and mercy and recognises weakness in his creation.

Thing with the Bible, it tells it how it is warts and all.it is not a whitewash like all prophets have to be perfect at all times. We do not make the Prophets to be perfect examples at all time because we recognise they were not perfect. neither was Mohammed because I'm guessing first and foremost he was a flesh and blood man.

BTW Lot was never a Prophet in the Bible.

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You want to prove that Christ did not faulting of the Koran.Islam describes prophets always good, but did not mention that Christ is God



What is your comment

Jesus is a Sinner according to the Nicene Creed



Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene, Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness. And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins; (Luke 3:1-3)

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Im not sure what you mean but I am assuming it is the matter of Baptism, The Nicene Creed below I fail to see how it makes Christ out to be a sinner, but for sure you do tend to see things differently.

We believe (I believe) in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, and born of the Father before all ages. (God of God) light of light, true God of true God. Begotten not made, consubstantial to the Father, by whom all things were made. Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven. And was incarnate of the Holy Ghost and of the Virgin Mary and was made man; was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, suffered and was buried; and the third day rose again according to the Scriptures. And ascended into heaven, sits at the right hand of the Father, and shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead, of whose Kingdom there shall be no end. And (I believe) in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father (and the Son), who together with the Father and the Son is to be adored and glorified, who spoke by the Prophets. And one holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We confess (I confess) one baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for (I look for) the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen."

Quite simply for us at least, Jesus was baptized so he could enter into the Melchizedek priesthood so He could be the High Priest and offer Himself as a sacrifice for our sins.

To be consecrated as a priest, He had to be -

Washed with water Lev. 8:6; Exodus 29:4, Matt. 3:16
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Anointed with oil Lev. 8:12; Exodus 29:7; Matt. 3:16

Both of these were bestowed upon Jesus at His baptism.

Also, He may have needed to be 30 years old - (Num. 4:3) which is fulfilled in Luke 3:21-23, "Now it came about when all the people were baptized, that Jesus also was baptized, and while He was praying, heaven was opened, 22 and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, “Thou art My beloved Son, in Thee I am well-pleased.” 23 And when He began His ministry, Jesus Himself was about thirty years of age.

As I said this according to what YHWH ordained in the Bible obviously you will not choose to accept this, as is your prerogative. Either way my face isn't bothered. :p012:

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The Old Testament prophets lived hundreds of years before Christ came to being, Christ as the Messiah was to perfect YHWHs message given to previous Prophets. They did not violate his teachings because Christs mission had not begun.

Yet as they were human, they did violate Gods word. Did God forgive them? I would guess that to be a yes seeing as God is all love and mercy and recognises weakness in his creation.

Thing with the Bible, it tells it how it is warts and all.it is not a whitewash like all prophets have to be perfect at all times. We do not make the Prophets to be perfect examples at all time because we recognise they were not perfect. neither was Mohammed because I'm guessing first and foremost he was a flesh and blood man.

BTW Lot was never a Prophet in the Bible.

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Recognition of the master evidence

How to choose God's prophets not speak his name?

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Im not sure what you mean but I am assuming it is the matter of Baptism, The Nicene Creed below I fail to see how it makes Christ out to be a sinner, but for sure you do tend to see things differently.

We believe (I believe) in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, and born of the Father before all ages. (God of God) light of light, true God of true God. Begotten not made, consubstantial to the Father, by whom all things were made. Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven. And was incarnate of the Holy Ghost and of the Virgin Mary and was made man; was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, suffered and was buried; and the third day rose again according to the Scriptures. And ascended into heaven, sits at the right hand of the Father, and shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead, of whose Kingdom there shall be no end. And (I believe) in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father (and the Son), who together with the Father and the Son is to be adored and glorified, who spoke by the Prophets. And one holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We confess (I confess) one baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for (I look for) the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen."

Quite simply for us at least, Jesus was baptized so he could enter into the Melchizedek priesthood so He could be the High Priest and offer Himself as a sacrifice for our sins.

To be consecrated as a priest, He had to be -

Washed with water Lev. 8:6; Exodus 29:4, Matt. 3:16
.
Anointed with oil Lev. 8:12; Exodus 29:7; Matt. 3:16

Both of these were bestowed upon Jesus at His baptism.

Also, He may have needed to be 30 years old - (Num. 4:3) which is fulfilled in Luke 3:21-23, "Now it came about when all the people were baptized, that Jesus also was baptized, and while He was praying, heaven was opened, 22 and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, “Thou art My beloved Son, in Thee I am well-pleased.” 23 And when He began His ministry, Jesus Himself was about thirty years of age.

As I said this according to what YHWH ordained in the Bible obviously you will not choose to accept this, as is your prerogative. Either way my face isn't bothered. :p012:

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All your words are illogical

God begotten born, why?

Is Jesus the only son in the Bible. Not

http://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/t195172.html#post572176


Baptism for the forgiveness of sins means that Jesus was mistaken
This very clear

What do you think to ask a priest

Baptism for the forgiveness of sins means that Jesus was mistaken

No..baptism does not remove your sin any more than taking the shahada and becoming a muslim does. Only God can forgive your sin, sin cannot be atoned for by good works or even baptism.

By choosing being baptised you are accepting Christ into your life. Christ is the way and the only way to the Father and salvation. By Gods grace this is so. I cannot tell you more or make it any clearer than I have by my efforts, obviously woefully inadequate for yourselves.

If I offer an explanation from my own personal viewpoint as a Christian you rubbish that, if I offer proof from the Bible you say it is corrupt. So I can only deduce from this that you really do not wish to know, because if you did you would read the Bible yourself..properly..not by cherry picking verses that you think shows the Bible in error or in any way inferior to the Quran.

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Baptism for the forgiveness of sins means that Jesus was mistaken

No..baptism does not remove your sin any more than taking the shahada and becoming a muslim does. Only God can forgive your sin, sin cannot be atoned for by good works or even baptism.

By choosing being baptised you are accepting Christ into your life. Christ is the way and the only way to the Father and salvation. By Gods grace this is so. I cannot tell you more or make it any clearer than I have by my efforts, obviously woefully inadequate for yourselves.

If I offer an explanation from my own personal viewpoint as a Christian you rubbish that, if I offer proof from the Bible you say it is corrupt. So I can only deduce from this that you really do not wish to know, because if you did you would read the Bible yourself..properly..not by cherry picking verses that you think shows the Bible in error or in any way inferior to the Quran.

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Is there a reason for the baptism of Jesus?

It is difficult to recognize that Jesus is wrong but the Bible reveals that

There is no other explanation and you can't explain something because you don't want to admit

Hey , hey , hey ! I believe that's enough everyone . The thread addresses the marriage of prophet Muhammad peace upon him to lady Aisha . If you want to discuss other things , I believe you should do that in another thread .

I ask you again , Pandora , what's your problem with the marriage ? All the misguiding information were corrected . If you think you have something we cannot refute then bring forth your proof .