Translation Errors And Forgeries* In The Bible

Translation Errors:

The original texts of the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) and Christian Scriptures (New Testament) were written in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic. Unfortunately, relatively few adults in North America can read any of these ancient languages. So most of us have to rely upon English translations.

The reader cannot always trust the translators. Bibles contain many inaccuracies and errors. Some appear to be intentional. Most versions of the Bible are sponsored by one or more Christian denominations. Thus, translators tend to have similar belief systems. Some denominations have long standing prejudices against other religions, sexual minorities, etc. This sometimes affects the accuracy of their translation.

Translators are under economic constraints: if they translate some verses as they actually appear in the original Hebrew and Greek, then long held prejudices would be threatened and many potential readers might reject the translation. Some pastors have favorite passages that appear to condemn Wiccans, other Neo-pagans and homosexuals. If a translation appeared in which those verses no longer condemned Witches or homosexuals, it is unlikely that those clergy would buy it or recommend it to their flock.


Some of the most obvious mistranslations occur in passages related to Witchcraft where the word has so many conflicting meanings in modern English that (in our opinion) it should never be used by Bible translators. The English phrase "black magic" would be a much better fit in most locations.
Homosexuality which some theologians believe the Bible uses to refer to a broad range of mostly criminal activities: homosexual rape, same-sex temple prostitution, group orgies, and child abuse of boys, heterosexuals engaging in homosexual activities. They believe that none of the passages seem to refer to gay and lesbian sex between consenting adults or committed partners. However, other Christians believe that these same "clobber passages" condemn all homosexual behavior.
Same-sex emotional relationships that Ruth, David and Daniel were involved in.

بذمتكم دى كتب تعتمدوا عليها فى اهم حاجة فى حياتكم معتقداتكم الدينية التى تبنى عليها كل اخلاقكم ومبادئكم !!
حقا .. اتبعوا أهوااااائهم - - وكل شىء مستقر !

This is really rediculous. They draft what suits them and their folks and reject if any translation does not appeal to them
these man-written scripts are not " holy book "
but wholly cook . God does not write funny things and rewrite them if they do not suit his folks !..

His words always call for benovelence and virtue and there is no need ever for any of his words to change or to be replaced..

((( قُل لَّئِنِ اجْتَمَعَتِ الإِنسُ وَالْجِنُّ عَلَى أَن يَأْتُواْ بِمِثْلِ هَـذَا الْقُرْآنِ لاَ يَأْتُونَ بِمِثْلِهِ وَلَوْ كَانَ بَعْضُهُمْ لِبَعْضٍ ظَهِيرًا ))) سورة الأسراء 88

May God Bless you brother Battar. Keep on digging for these forgeries till the cave people wake up

Forgeries* in the Bible

Matthew 6:13: The Lord's Prayer traditionally ends: "For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen." This seems to have been absent from the original writings. 6

Matthew 17:21 is a duplicate of Mark 9:29. It was apparently added by a copyist in order to make Matthew agree with Mark. But Mark 9:29 also contains a forgery*; this makes Matthew 17:21 a type of double-layered forgery*. 5

John 7:53 to 8:11: One of the most famous forgeries* in the Bible is the well-known story of the woman observed in adultery. It was apparently written and inserted after John 7:52 by an unknown author, perhaps in the 5th century CE. This story is often referred to as an "orphan story" because it is a type of floating text which has appeared after John 7:36, John 7:52, John 21:25, and Luke 21:38 in various manuscripts. Some scholars believe that the story may have had its origins in oral traditions about Jesus.
It is a pity that the status of verses John 8:1-11 are not certain. If they were known to be a reliable description of Jesus' ministry, they would have given a clear indication of Jesus' stance on the death penalty.

Mark 9:29: Jesus comments that a certain type of indwelling demon can only be exorcised through "prayer and fasting" (KJV) This is also found in the Rheims New Testament. But the word "fasting" did not appear in the oldest manuscripts. 5 New English translations have dropped the word.

Mark 16:9-20: The original version of Mark ended rather abruptly at the end of Verse 8. Verses 9 to 20, which are shown in most translations of the Bible, were added later by an unknown forger*. The verses were based on portions of Luke, John and other sources.

Luke 3:22: This passage describes Jesus' baptism by John the Baptist. According to Justin Martyr, the original version of this verse has God speaking the words: "You are my son, today have I begotten thee." Justin Martyr, Clement of Alexandria, Augustine, and other ancient Christian authorities also quoted it this way. 1 The implication is that Jesus was first recognized by God as his son at the time of baptism. But a forger* altered the words to read: "You are my son, whom I love." The altered passage conformed more to the evolving Christian belief that Jesus was the son of God at his birth, (as described in Luke and Matthew) or before the beginning of creation (as in John), and not at his baptism.

John 5:3-4: These verses describe how "a great multitude" of disabled people stayed by the water. From time to time an angel arrived, and stirred the waters. The first person who stepped in was cured. This passage seems strange. The process would not be at all just, because the blind could not see the waters being stirred, and the less mobile of the disabled would have no chance of a cure. Part of Verse 3 and all of Verse 4 are missing from the oldest manuscripts of John. 3 It appears to be a piece of free-floating magical text that someone added to John.

John 21: There is general agreement among liberal and mainline Biblical scholars that the original version of the Gospel of John ended at the end of John 20. John 21 appears to either be an afterthought of the author(s) of John, or a later addition by a forger*. Most scholars believe the latter. 4

1 Corinthians 14:34-35: This is a curious passage. It appears to prohibit all talking by women during services. But it contradicts verse 11:5, in which St. Paul states that women can actively pray and prophesy during services. It is obvious to some theologians that verses 14:33b to 36 are a later addition, added by an unknown counterfeiter* with little talent at forgery.* Bible scholar, Hans Conzelmann, comments on these three and a half verses: "Moreover, there are peculiarities of linguistic usage, and of thought. [within them]." 2 If they are removed, then Verse 33a merges well with Verse 37 in a seamless transition. Since they were a later forgery*, they do not fulfill the basic requirement to be considered inerrant: they were not in the original manuscript written by Paul. This is a very important passage, because much many denominations stand against female ordination is based on these verses.

Revelation 1:11: The phrase "Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and," (KJV) which is found in the King James Version was not in the original Greek texts. It is also found in the New King James Version (NKJV) and in the 21st Century King James Version (KJ21) The latter are basically re-writes of the original KJV. Modern English, is used, but the translators seem to have made little or no effort to correct errors. The Alpha Omega phrase "is not found in virtually any ancient texts, nor is it mentioned, even as a footnote, in any modern translation or in Bruce Metzger's definitive 'A Textual Commentary' on the Greek New Testament, Second Edition (New York: United Bible Societies, 1994..."

Note re: forged and counterfeit writings:

We are using these terms with reference to today's value systems. For example, if someone wrote in 1999 an essay in the form of an encyclical by Pope John XXIII, and attempted to pass it off as an unknown work of the Pope, then we would consider it a forgery or counterfeit. If someone write today a speech in the style of George Washington and tried to publish it as if it were written by the first President, we would also consider it a forgery.

But things were a little different in the 1st and 2nd century CE. It was quite an accepted practice at that time for followers of a great philosopher or religious thinker to write material which emulated their leader. They passed it off as if that leader wrote it. This was not considered unethical at the time. We use the term forger and counterfeiter in this essay to emphasize that the passages were written by person or persons unknown. It does not necessarily indicate that the passages are any less valid than other texts in the Bible. The term means simply that the passages were added to the writings of the original author(s) by an unknown person.

There were dozens of gospels, large numbers epistles, and even a few books on the style of Revelation that were considered religious texts by various movements within the early Christian church. When some of these were selected to form the official canon of the Christian Scriptures (New Testament), the main criteria was whether the book was written by an apostle or someone very close to an apostle. The canon was regarded as inerrant and as inspired by God. It still is by conservative Christians. Liberal theologians have reached a consensus that many books in the New Testament were not written by the authors that they claim to be written by. This puts their legitimacy in question. We also know that unknown persons later inserted their own writings into some books.

Some of the books that liberal theologians believe were written by authors different from the ones indicated by the Bible itself are:

Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy (a.k.a. The Pentateuch, the 5 Books of Moses, the Books of the Law, the Law, the Torah). These state in numerous places that they were written by Moses. But mainline and liberal theologians have long accepted the "Documentary Hypothesis" which asserts that the Pentateuch was written by a group of four authors, from various locations in Palestine, over a period of centuries. Each wrote with the goal of promoting his/her own religious views. A fifth individual cut and pasted the original documents in to the present Pentateuch.

The authors of the gospels claim to have been eyewitnesses of Jesus' ministry. Yet liberal theologians believe that the gospels were written during the period 70 to 100 CE by anonymous writers who had only second-hand knowledge about Jesus.

The text of various Pauline epistles state that they were written by Paul. However, liberal theologians believe that Ephesians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 & 2 Timothy and Titus were written by persons unknown, mostly in the 2nd century, many decades after Paul's death.

Other epistles of unknown authorship, according to religious liberals, are Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, 1, 2 & 3 John, and Jude.

Religious liberals have concluded that Revelation was written by an unknown author - perhaps a Jewish Christian whose primary language was Aramaic.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_bibl.htm

السلام عليكم

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ومازال مسلسل الفضائح مستمر

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Errors and forgeries in the Bible.

Of all the 66 texts in the Bible, there doesn't exist one single handwritten original. We don't even have the first copies of the originals, we just have copies of copies of copies of copies etc. The writers in Antiquity also had somewhat looser standards for accuracy when writing down or copying texts. Sometimes they wrote in other authors' names (usually more famous and authoritative, authors), - they usually added, subtracted, altered and removed "historical" events in the texts as they saw fit. They often mixed fiction with non-fiction, and some could write texts in the name of their adversaries to discredit them, and then use the forged text against them later. Cunning...

أخطاء وتزيفات فى الكتاب المقدس :

أن ال 66 سفر فى الكتاب المقدس , لا يوجد لها تسخة اصلية مكتوبة بخط اليد . حتى اننا لا نملك اول النسخ اقتربا من الأصل , فاننا نمتلك نسخ منقولة من نسخ , منقولة من نسخ , منقولة من نسخ ...وهكذا !

حتى أن الكتابة فى العصور القديمة , كانوا يفقدون الاتزان الكامل فى النقل عندما يكتبون او ينقلون النسخ .

وفى بعض الأحيان , كان الكتبة يستعيروا أسماء كتبة مشهورين ومؤلفين مشهورين ---يقصد اسماء الحوارين مثل متى , ومرقس ..
بل كانوا أحيانا " يضيفوا على النصوص او يعقبوا عليها - يفسروها - او يبدلوا ويحذفوا " أحداث تاريخية " فى النصوص
كما يروه مناسبا !
يتابع ان شاء الله

جزاكم الله خيراً

اعمال مميزة

أستمر اخي بهاء

To start with the beginning:
The Old Testament.The first five texts in the Bible; Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy are not written by Moses as the Church usually claims. Unknown Jewish priests wrote these five books between 900 and 100 BC. Their final editing was first done around 200 AD. The Psalms of David are not written by him, but were actually written much later.

We have our knowledge of this king David ("the bloodhound") from his son, the "prophet" Solomo (in Proverbs, Ecclesiastes and Song of Solomon). But then there is the problem that the alleged Solomon died at least 100-400 years before these texts ascribed to him were first created! Looking at the texts, it is obvious that they are the product of several different writers, writing at different times between 500 BC and 100 AD.


حتى نضع أيدينا على بداية التحريف , نبدأ ببداية الكتاب المقدس :

العهد القديم :- الأسفار الخمسة الاولى " التكوين , الخروج , العدد , التثنية , .." لم يكتبها سيدنا موسى عليه السلام
كما تتعدى الكنيسة .
قام كهنة يهود مجهولين بكتابة هذه الاسفار الخمسة ما بين حوالى 100 سنة قبل الميلاد . وكان اخر تعديل اجرى عليها تقريبا ما بين القرن القرن الثانى .

اما نشيد الانشاد لنبى الله دواد - :salla-y: لم يكتبها هو حوالى القرن التاسع قبل الميلاد .. بل هى كتبت بعد ذلك بكثير !

لقد عرفنا نبى داود " السفاح " من ابنه النبى " سليمان " من in Proverbs, Ecclesiastes and Song of Solomon)..

ولكن لدينا مشكلة فى ان النبى سليمان مات على الاقل ما بين 100 الى 400 سنة قبل ما تكتب هذه الاسفار المنسوبة اليه .!
فالبنظر الى هذه الاسفار , يظهر لك بوضوح على انها من انتاج كتبة مختلفين , كتبوها فى ازمنة مختلفة ما بين القرن الخامس قبل الميلاد حتى القرن الواحد الميلادى .

يتابع ان شاء الله

معك على الخط on line

على فكرة أنا عندي مواقع كثير بهذا الشكل ولكن الترجمة تعطلني كثيراً

فنريد مجموعة عمل للترجمة فهل من مجاهد ؟

هيا ياأخوان ... نريد مجاهدين في سبيل الله لكشف الحقائق .

بارك الله فيكم وإلى الأمام دوما ً

Both Judges, Kings and Chronicles are anonymous manuscripts, written at a much later time than the events they present. The same is the case for the books of the so-called prophets, which also were subjected to heavily editing later. (Prophecies made much later than the events they predict, are never particularly impressive.)

The chapters 24-27 and 40-55 of Isaiah, are forgeries in Isaiah's name. Only the first chapter of Zechariah are really by him, the rest is a forgery. Only 200-300 of the total 1273 verses by Ezekiel are probably by Ezekiel. Etc etc.

A lot of the stories in the Old Testament are in fact borrowed material. Particularly from the rich mythical heritage of the Sumerians, the inventors of writing. The story of Noah and the great flood, Cain and Abel, the gardens of Eden, creation of Eve from Adams rib, and numerous other myths are stories found recorded on Sumerian clay tablets dating 2-3000 years back, long before the earliest parts of the Old Testament were written down.

The version of the Old Testament as we know it (with its 39 texts) was first assembled in the 15. Century AD!! Up through history there have existed a number of different Christian Bibles. All the different Christian sects had their own compilation of religious texts. Most of our Old Testament is based on translated medieval manuscripts not older then the 9.th or 10.th century AD.

The New Testament
None of the gospels were written to be part of a "holy Bible" inspired by God (Simply because the Bible as such didn't exist at that time.) We don't know anything about who wrote the gospels. The Church ascribed the names of Mark, Matthew, Luke and John to the texts much later. These four texts were not originally in the Bible, and they first became authoritative (approved by the church) late in the 2. century AD. The gospels are all written in Greek and there is no indication of any Hebrew originals, which rules out that the authors could be anyone among the followers of Jesus (who spoke Arameic). According too the gospels both Jesus and his disciples had no education and were illiterates, as most of their contemporaries. The gospel texts are also heavily edited by editors, in particular the gospel of St. John.

The letters of John are not written by John the apostle. All the "Catholic letters" (I Peter, II Peter, I-III John, Jude) are also forgeries. And six of the thirteen letters of St. Paul are not by him. Even his "real" letters were later heavily edited by the Church.
Around 400 AD the scholar Hieronimus made a major editing of the Latin Bible, the result is the Latin Vulgata version of the Bible. This became the mother of all later translations. Hieronimus changed no less than 3500 instances in the text.


Among the later added parts, not in the original Gospel texts: The sermon on the Mount, The story of Jesus' birth (Luke 2:1-21) and the stories of Jesus' resurrection!

وفقكم الله

هل يمكننا ان نجد ترجمة لهذا الكلام كما عودتنا اخي بهاء

السلام عليكم :
اعتذر لاخوة على عدم الترجمة , وان شاء الله نكمل ...
Both Judges, Kings and Chronicles are anonymous manuscripts, written at a much later time than the events they present. The same is the case for the books of the so-called prophets, which also were subjected to heavily editing later. (Prophecies made much later than the events they predict, are never particularly impressive.)
* ان كل من أسفار القضاة الاول والثانى , والملوك واخبار الايام " الاول والثانى ....مخطوطتها مجهولة او كتبتها مجهولين , وقد كتبت فى فترة بعد وقوع أحداثها .
نفس الحكاية تجدها فى كتب من يدعون أنبياء و والتى ايضا صيغت مادتها بعد ذلك متأخرة .
"اما عن النبواءت التى تنبأت عن الاحداث حدثت بعد هذا ....فهى لم تكن مؤثرة ".

The chapters 24-27 and 40-55 of Isaiah, are forgeries in Isaiah's name. Only the first chapter of Zechariah are really by him, the rest is a forgery. Only 200-300 of the total 1273 verses by Ezekiel are probably by Ezekiel. Etc etc.
الأصحاحات من 24-27 و 40-55 مزورة باسم اشعياء .

الأصحاح الاول لنبى الله زكريا فقط هو اللى كتبه , الباقى تزوير .
الفقرات ما بين مائتان الى ثلاثمائة فقرة فقط مدونة بيد حزقيال من مجموع 1273 فقرة.

A lot of the stories in the Old Testament are in fact borrowed material. Particularly from the rich mythical heritage of the Sumerians, the inventors of writing. The story of Noah and the great flood, Cain and Abel, the gardens of Eden, creation of Eve from Adams rib, and numerous other myths are stories found recorded on Sumerian clay tablets dating 2-3000 years back, long before the earliest parts of the Old Testament were written down.

كثيرآ من قصص العهد القديم ,. فى الحقيقة -مقتبسة-مسروقة بالنص . من أغنى أرث لاساطير السامريين.
قصة نوح , والطوفان العظيم .قابيل وهابيل , جنات عدن , خلق حواء من ضلع ادم , وكثيرآ من هذه الاساطير هى قصص وجددت مسجلة على الواح من طين تقريبا ما بين 2000-الى -3000 سنة قبل الميلاد , بعيدة جدآ قبل ما يدون اوائل النصوص فى العهد القديم .
The version of the Old Testament as we know it (with its 39 texts) was first assembled in the 15. Century AD!! Up through history there have existed a number of different Christian Bibles. All the different Christian sects had their own compilation of religious texts. Most of our Old Testament is based on translated medieval manuscripts not older then the 9.th or 10.th century AD

*ان نسخة العهد اقديم , التى نعرفها الأن بأسفارها 39 , تم تجميعها بداية من حوالى القرن الخامس عشر .قبل الميلاد!
على مرر العصور كان هناك العديد من الكتب المقدسة المختلفة .

كل من الطوائف المسيحية , لها مجموعة من النصوص الدينية .

اغلب عهدنا القديم قائم اساسا على ترجمة مجموعة من المخطوطات ليست اقدم من القرن التاسع والعاشر قبل الميلاد .

أتمنى من اى احد يرى خطأ فى الترجمة يقول على طول ,وأنا اعدل المشاركة .

نكمل ان شاء الله بعد ذلك .