اقتباس:
Why do you think God neglected to tell his people of these jinn?
According to your Bible or other religions ? Don't forget that we don't believe they are the original messages revealed by Allah . I thought we went over this a month ago .
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Especially as they seemingly hold such sway of power for evil,
Incorrect . Jins are like humans in that they have a free will . And there's a Surah named after them :
http://quran.com/72
And from it :
14 And among us are Muslims [in submission to Allah ], and among us are the unjust. And whoever has become Muslim - those have sought out the right course. 15 But as for the unjust, they will be, for Hell, firewood.'
And the disbelievers of Jins are called devils . Keep in mind that even among humans there are devils and that's because this is a name given to evil doers . Still , generally , when we say "THE devil" it is Iblees .
اقتباس:
The jinn sound a convenience to cover for the fact that although The Quran states angels obey Allah in all things there also exists another power to tempt mankind into sin etc so if angels can't disobey then something else has to take their place.. Jinn.
DON'T , get into baseless hypothesis . And if I remember correctly , I did inform you that the devils are not "THE" cause of sinning . People themselves differ . There are those who obey and those who disobey .
76:3 Indeed, We guided him to the way, be he grateful or be he ungrateful.
اقتباس:
It's starting to look that we view angels differently also. Maybe that's a topic for another thread.
Exactly .
اقتباس:
I'm not sure how a person who could be considered the lowest of humans through his/her actions be considered lower than an animal.
Again , animals act on instincts and have no minds . A person who has one and YET chooses falsehood is worse . That's why Quran says :
7:179 And We have certainly created for Hell many of the jinn and mankind. They have hearts with which they do not understand, they have eyes with which they do not see, and they have ears with which they do not hear. Those are like livestock; rather, they are more astray. It is they who are the heedless.
اقتباس:
So it does not follow that a "mindless" human is somehow an animal or indeed lower than animal. A human is a human regardless of intellect or ability.
The insane and mentally ill are a different case . That's why an insane person isn't blamed to not accept Islam and is judged on the final day .
اقتباس:
There are different schools of thought regarding weather or not animals have souls in the same way we do. If reading the Bible on the subject I would say no, animals do not have souls as mankind does. Although they are blessed with a spirit seeing as they are sentient beings and have a limited intelligence.
They don't have a soul , but they have a spirit ?!
اقتباس:
so would God allow us to kill and eat a being with a soul?
And the problem is ? There are two reasons to kill an animal : either to benefit from it , or to fend harm . Slaughtering an animal to eat it is included in the first one . And even so , Islam sets strict rules to slaughter an animal in teh most merciful way . One can't sharpen the knife in front of it , slaughter it in front of another , and the one doing it must be "professional" to do it in one swift hit .
And no offense but , what does all of that you tell about your doctrine have to do with the current subject ? Egypt , cats , vegetarians ?
اقتباس:
Isn't this true that is in Islam it is not only love for your prophet as a condition of faith, but also obedience to all he says, because to obey your prophet is to obey Allah?
Indeed , because nothing he orders in religion is from his own , but rather from the almighty himself . You're trying to force the idea that he makes thing up and that's false by default .
53:1 By the star when it descends, 2 Your companion [Muhammad] has not strayed, nor has he erred, 3 Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination. 4
It is not but a revelation revealed,
اقتباس:
Moreover, you must believe he is the best of creatures; the best of people or humans. Howis this not a worship of man?
Spare us the emotional talk . It's ironic how you've been the one asking away and making claims about Islam and still , you seem to be the most insecure . I told you that the first pillar of Islam includes believing Muhammad peace upon him is a servant and a messenger of Allah . He doesn't claim divine abilities to himself and no real Muslim would .
And what angers you so much if Allah say he is the best of creatures ? Does it irritate you so much ? Apparently , it does , and so you slander that it is worship of man . And on the same step , I can say the same about worshiping a human . Of course you claim he was half human half God , still , why would I worship someone imperfect who has human needs and weaknesses and dies ? We deny any negative charecteristics allegated to Allah , it doesn't seem so with you .
So read about prophet Muhammad peace upon him to learn why he's the best of creatures instead of just hating him for your ignorance .
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Behold the Lord our God is one and we worship Him as one God with no partners
Since when is 1+1+1 equal to 1 ? And if the holy ghost is Jibreel , how come you have the nerve say you don't worship angels with a straight face ?
اقتباس:
we don't have to say a Christian shahada; we don't have to mention any messengers with the one and only God like in the second part of the shahada. We will not commit that sin or shirk as you would call it.
Bring me one , I say ONE sign or narration claims divine attributes to the prophet peace upon him or anyone else other than the almighty . For the gazillion time , Muhammad peace upon him is a servant and messenger of Allah , of you want to stick to your delusions that this is idolatry , stick to them while being silent .
اقتباس:
Islam doesn't have anything to offer Christianity; in fact, it appears to have imperfectly borrow from Christianity such truths as monotheism, heaven and hell, the virgin birth of Jesus and many other concepts that were written in the Bible first.
Back to the stinking habit of red herring I see . Fine , two can play this game . Ever heard of Krishna ? He's an exact copy of what you claim Christ is . Born of a virgin , walked on water , is the son of God , and surprise surprise , along with almost 15 other individuals , was crucified to atone for the sin of mankind . According to your flawed logic , since Christianity came after all of those , it's false by default .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a_8j_kSmxc
Islam states that Christ was a prophet of Allah sent with a message to his people . Those people altered the message and corrupted it when they were entrusted with them . That's why there are truths in the current Bible unaltered , yet . So instead of the meaningless accusations of "Muhammad - peace upon him - took what's in the books of Jews , Christians , Hindus , Buddhists , and many other" , argue which religion is true . It's really ridiculous when I hear that slander as if he had a magical library in his 5X4 meters house that no human ever noticed .
Note : I'm not sure about the size of the house , just said it to mean it's small .
اقتباس:
With all due respect, what you say and what I observe do not appear to line up.
With all due disrespect to your method of arguing , what you think doesn't matter .
اقتباس:
Impossible? Not for the spiritual man. He judges all things, yet he is not judged of any man. True Biblical Christians do not ask the pope for their spiritual direction. We don't depend on man at all. If anything we test the pope, priests and pastors to see if what they share lines up with Scripture. We test the spirit of what we hear from our leaders. Besides, the pope is Catholic. I feel true Catholicism more lines up with Islam than it does with true Biblical Christianity.
You seriously need therapy . You're literally ill . You CAN'T stop spamming your slanders in every single post you make . That's a disease , and you need treatment .
Still , I'll remember to show you this quote of yours the next time you make the slander of "Muslims differ among themselves , so Islam is wrong" . And believe me , you will make it .
Back to track , if you read what I wrote properly - you didn't - you'd notice that I said it is NOT impossible . Visit a doctor for your eyes too .
As for your farce in the undelined , you have until one of us dies to bring one evidence from Islam that a religious man can judge from outside Quran or Sunnah . Each and every single individual can say right or wrong things about religion except the prophet himself . That's why we return to the message itself .
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Humans cannot tell truth from error when they are caught in the bowels of deep religious deception.
A pitiful excuse . I can say you're in deep deception by default and thus you're wrong . End of the story . We have minds to tell the difference between truth and falsehood . And when someone refuses truth , it is either they are ignorant of what it really is , or are following their desires . So bring forth your proof if your are truthful .
اقتباس:
Humans can act like animals, but they are never below them.
Disbelievers are in hellfire on the judgement day and animals return to sand , of course that's below animals .
اقتباس:
Angels are created with free will just as we are,
YOUR beleif .
اقتباس:
LOL, nice try, but there is a big difference between bowing out of custom and prostration before an entity! I really appears you are just making excuses to justify discrepancies.
Go to the top of this reply and ponder how wrong you are .
