Islam honored women, and took it out from the oppression of Christianity distorted
Do you know this picture?
http://www.kalemasawaa.com/vb/upload...1364198827.jpg
Islam honored women, and took it out from the oppression of Christianity distorted
Do you know this picture?
http://www.kalemasawaa.com/vb/upload...1364198827.jpg
What is that picture and what do you mean Islam took oppression out of Christianity?
A good attempt to escape from the Answer
Image summarize the status of women Christianity
This picture tells you nothing at all about Christianity ... It's a sad picture of a woman in chains.. A sad position many women of any faith or no faith may have found themselves at some time. A woman in chains today could be a Muslim woman in a Muslim country unfortunately for them. You should be asking who put on the chains? Why? And on who's authority? Certainly not Gods.. You are constantly attempting to put the low morals and opinions of some men (a minority) who judge women in society and pass it off as a religious requirement!!! You won't get anywhere with this kind of surmise..اقتباس:
المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة شمائل
The women with a chain around her two wrists is a saint .اقتباس:
المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة pandora
Her name is st.Thérèse
http://www.couventsaintetherese.com/...s/photos/5.jpg
http://www.couventsaintetherese.com/...s/photos/7.jpg
http://agape.forumactif.com/t2085p60...ur-nos-malades
In this way the Christianity honor the saints and women ???
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Many Christians suffered for their faith.. Christians still suffer for our faith today. Jesus told His followers, "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven"Almost all the Disciples suffered persecution and met their deaths in the name of Jesus and by spreading the Gospel. The persecution came from many corners not always Christian. So if she was indeed considered a Saint.. (I'll take your word for that.) she will have suffered for her faith in Jesus and will receive her reward in Heaven. So alls good.اقتباس:
المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة *اسلامي عزي*
Women that love and trust Jesus as their Savior are very wise. They are like the five wise virgins that took oil in their lamp waiting for the bride groom; the ones that don't trust Jesus as their Savior are like the foolish virgins who took no oil with their lamps. When the cry was made that the bride groom had come, the foolish said to the wise gives us your oil. The wise said not so; otherwise, there will not be enough for us and you, but go and buy for yourself. When they left, the wise virgin entered with the bride groom and the door was shut. When the other virgins returned, they said open to us. The bride groom said, "I never knew you depart..."
The man who trust Jesus as their Savior is like the wise man who built his house on a rock. When the wind and rains came with ***** flooding the house stood firm for it was build on a rock, the man who doesn't trust Jesus as his Savior is like the foolish man who build his house on the sand. When the winds and rains came with flooding the house feel and great was its destruction for it wasn't founded on the rock. Jesus is the rock of my salvation. I stand firm and unmovable, because I can do all things through Christ that strengthens me.
The point of this post is to show that in Christ (Christianity) there is neither male or female!!!
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So if she was indeed considered a Saint.. (I'll take your word for that.)
believe me she is a real Christian 's saint .
who forced her to suffer for her faith (for jesus ) ????اقتباس:
she will have suffered for her faith in Jesus and will receive her reward in Heaven
the Muslims ?? no of course !
the saint Thérèse was born and died in France ( 1873- 1897) !
do you mean that men and women are equal in the Christianity ???اقتباس:
The point of this post is to show that in Christ (Christianity) there is neither male or female!!!
i' dont think so !
your holy scriptures order the woman to submit to her husband :
here is the the text !
Ephesians 5 :
22 Wives, submit your selves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord.
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As you say.اقتباس:
المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة *اسلامي عزي*
lol.... I can't believe you think this warrants a good answer.. Who pray brought the muslims as prospective persecutors in this instance.. Why you did? Why?? I can tell you she was not persecuted by Christians either.. Maybe people who may have thought of themselves as Christians.. But we know as Jesus never taught anyone than persecution was an OK practice..then true Christians would not be persecuting any Saint.. Woman or man. Bit like the muslims who commit terrorist acts in today's world killing innocent people for their cause.. I say their cause because I think you would probably agree that they do not represent Islam. That's the thing religions if they are from God do not advocate violence by its followers towards others.. But as religions attract all sorts of followers .. Some will be playing to their own agenda. It's not the fault of Christianity that people were persecuted for their faith.. But the fault of some who claimed to be Christians. If you can't grasp that.. Then you may as well give up now.اقتباس:
who forced her to suffer for her faith (for jesus ) ????
the Muslims ?? no of course !
the saint Thérèse was born and died in France ( 1873- 1897) !
Men and women are equal before God in all things spiritual.. That's the only place it counts. Last time I looked Muslim men are considered to be head of the household.. Are they not expected to provide for their wife and family? I'm sure if you are honest you will know there are verses to be found in the Quran that state as much. The hadiths go even further in guidance on how best to chastise a wife.. Should she be disobedient towards her husband. Really.. It seems like the pot calling the kettle black here. And the phrase glass houses and the throwing of stones comes to mind.اقتباس:
do you mean that men and women are equal in the Christianity ???
i' dont think so !
your holy scriptures order the woman to submit to her husband :
here is the the text !
Ephesians 5 :
22 Wives, submit your selves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord.
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This is correct. God has designed an order of authority. God is over Christ; Christ is over man and man is over his wife and children are under their parents. We must be under the authorities of the land and obey as unto the Lord. If those authorities ask us to go against God, we don't need to obey. Don't make more out of this than what it is. God has established this order. If you don't like it, take it up with him not me! You think you are arguing with me but you're not.اقتباس:
المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة *اسلامي عزي*
Because even a tree falls in the Amazon , Muslims are the first to be accused .اقتباس:
lol.... I can't believe you think this warrants a good answer.. Who pray brought the muslims as prospective persecutors in this instance.. Why you did? Why
Really ???اقتباس:
But we know as Jesus never taught anyone than persecution was an OK practice
The teachings of Jesus says the opposite :
Luke 19 :27
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me
of course they do not represent Islam !اقتباس:
I think you would probably agree that they do not represent Islam
You have to differentiate between the pacifist Muslims and the head's cutters !
i advise you to read some history :اقتباس:
Bit like the muslims who commit terrorist acts in today's world killing innocent people for their cause
http://www.historyofwar.org/articles...irtyyears.htmlاقتباس:
One of the most devastating wars in European history. The Thirty Years War began as a conflict between German Protestants and German Catholics, that slowly expanded to include most of the rest of Europe, with first the Protestant powers joining in to protect their co-religionists in Germany, and then Catholic France supporting the protestant cause as part of the long running Bourbon-Hapsburg rivalry (and before that the Valois-Hapsburg rivalry). The war caused massive destruction in Germany, and may have reduced the population of the area by half, in part because much of the fighting was carried out by mercenary armies that plundered every area they crossed.
you speak as if islam order the muslim to suspend his women on electricity poles !اقتباس:
The hadiths go even further in guidance on how best to chastise a wife
the beating comes after advices with a minuscule miswak like this :
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/i...W8qj2McCu-CcUP
the beating must be without Physical damage .
the sacred scripture teaches you how to punish a women !اقتباس:
It seems like the pot calling the kettle black here. And the phrase glass houses and the throwing of stones comes to mind.
the God of mercy order you to crunch her under the horse 's hooves !
2 Kings 9 :
33 “Throw her down!” Jehu said. So they threw her down, and some of her blood spattered the wall and the horses as they trampled her underfoot. 34 Jehu went in and ate and drank. “Take care of that cursed woman,” he said, “and bury her, for she was a king’s daughter.” 35 But when they went out to bury her, they found nothing except her skull, her feet and her hands. 36 They went back and told Jehu, who said, “This is the word of the Lord that he spoke through his servant Elijah the Tishbite: On the plot of ground at Jezreel dogs will devour Jezebel’s flesh
if the men and women are equals in all spiritual things ; why it is strictly forbidden for a woman to run for the position of pope ??اقتباس:
Men and women are equal before God in all things spiritual..
peace with you .
You sound like a well balanced individual ... A chip on both shoulders.. (Joke) because such a comment can't be taken seriously.اقتباس:
المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة *اسلامي عزي*
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Really ???
The teachings of Jesus says the opposite :
Luke 19 :27
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me
Have you heard of parables? Do you understand them? Well... This is one. As is the usual way.. you take it it's meaning as literal, thereby not understanding the context or the lesson to be learnt. I could explain this parable to you but really I don't see the point. Unless you would like it explained in which case I will do so. Your call.
Well, personally I don't believe they do represent Islam .. That's the point I'm trying to make.. When people do bad things in the name of their religion it does not mean they are acting according to the tenets of their religion. This may be hard for you to grasp but this applies to people of every religion.. Head cutters.. Not a nice term.. Can you think of something less descriptive?اقتباس:
of course they do not represent Islam !
You have to differentiate between the pacifist Muslims and the head's cutters !
What is the point of this? It has nothing to do with Christianity.. But some evil people who claim to be Christians. Here again you seem to believe that no Muslim ever fought a war.. Or killed other muslims. I guess you don't watch the news much then.اقتباس:
No.. I don't speak such.. It is how you choose to interpret my words to your own agenda. Would it not be better to advise men to refrain from beating their wives at all?..particularly as the beating should not cause any physical damage. It would make more sense if men were just told "To love there wives as you love yourselves..." Given that women in Islam are valued so highly.اقتباس:
you speak as if islam order the muslim to suspend his women on electricity poles !
the beating comes after advices with a minuscule miswak like this :
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/i...W8qj2McCu-CcUP
the beating must be without Physical damage .
This has nothing whatsoever to do with the Bible teaching on how to punish a woman. If you even bothered to read what you so eagerly quote in context you would know that. Actually just google and read about Jezebel.. And why God ordained that her flesh be devoured by dogs.اقتباس:
the sacred scripture teaches you how to punish a women !
the God of mercy order you to crunch her under the horse 's hooves !
2 Kings 9 :
33 “Throw her down!” Jehu said. So they threw her down, and some of her blood spattered the wall and the horses as they trampled her underfoot. 34 Jehu went in and ate and drank. “Take care of that cursed woman,” he said, “and bury her, for she was a king’s daughter.” 35 But when they went out to bury her, they found nothing except her skull, her feet and her hands. 36 They went back and told Jehu, who said, “This is the word of the Lord that he spoke through his servant Elijah the Tishbite: On the plot of ground at Jezreel dogs will devour Jezebel’s flesh
Thats catholic teaching... There are many women who hold positions of authority in other denominations within the church. That in itself has nothing to do with being equal before God in the spiritual sense.اقتباس:
if the men and women are equals in all spiritual things ; why it is strictly forbidden for a woman to run for the position of pope ??
peace with you .
God, in no way views women as being inferior. God will reward men and women based on how they have served the Lord Jesus Christ while here on earth. There will be no marriage in heaven ... Jesus said...For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. Traditionally in most cultures on earth the man.. Being physically stronger, bears the responsibility as head of the family. Tradition is not ordained by God.. Maybe some men get carried away with their own self of importance and come to believe that are in some way superior. Strange that you don't recognise this fact in societies world wide.
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Rest assured !اقتباس:
You sound like a well balanced individual ... A chip on both shoulders.. (Joke) because such a comment can't be taken seriously
I'm not drunk !! http://www.kalemasawaa.com/vb/images...es/36_1_30.gif
Perhaps you think i just finished the Eucharist's seance but i 'm not !!! (Joke)
Parables ????!!!!اقتباس:
Have you heard of parables? Do you understand them? Well... This is one. As is the usual way.. you take it it's meaning as literal, thereby not understanding the context or the lesson to be learnt. I could explain this parable to you but really I don't see the point. Unless you would like it explained in which case I will do so. Your call.
I don't think so!
below a nice icon representing Jesus the God of mercy carrying a sword in order to kill The Prophet Balaam !
the main source is an arabic-orthodoxe web site :
http://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/attachme...3&d=1401404682
http://st-takla.org/Full-Free-Coptic...2_B/B_207.html
Beheading become current in the news today.اقتباس:
Not a nice term.. Can you think of something less descriptive?
Unfortunately islam is stigmatized by these scenes of horror .
I can't deny that !اقتباس:
What is the point of this? It has nothing to do with Christianity.. But some evil people who claim to be Christians. Here again you seem to believe that no Muslim ever fought a war.. Or killed other muslims. I guess you don't watch the news much then.
There are numerous conflicts between Muslims !
Do you know why ???
Because they did not respond to the commands of the Lord in the holy Quran !
the Lord says :
(( And obey Allah and His Messenger, and do not dispute and [thus] lose courage and [then] your strength would depart ))
the holy Quran 8 : 47
Have you ever read this before????اقتباس:
No.. I don't speak such.. It is how you choose to interpret my words to your own agenda. Would it not be better to advise men to refrain from beating their wives at all?..particularly as the beating should not cause any physical damage. It would make more sense if men were just told "To love there wives as you love yourselves..." Given that women in Islam are valued so highly.
(( And of His signs is that He created for you from yourselves mates that you may find tranquillity in them ; and He placed between you affection and mercy ))
the holy Quran 30 : 21
Don't worry !اقتباس:
This has nothing whatsoever to do with the Bible teaching on how to punish a woman. If you even bothered to read what you so eagerly quote in context you would know that. Actually just google and read about Jezebel.. And why God ordained that her flesh be devoured by dogs.
I know very well in any context these words were told !
Are you sure ???اقتباس:
God, in no way views women as being inferior
Have you ever read this before??
Proverbs 11 : 22
Like a gold ring in a pig’s snout is a beautiful woman who shows no discretion.
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peace with you .
Yes, he is sure and I am sure. This verse in proverbs is a figure of speech proverb for any people in any religion. My question to you is that Islam teaching men how to beat their wives so that abuse won't take place, but why doesn't Islam teach the men not to be their wives to avoid abuse?اقتباس:
المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة *اسلامي عزي*
Peace be unto you
lol... What's with mr angry face?اقتباس:
المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة *اسلامي عزي*
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Parables ????!!!!
I don't think so!
below a nice icon representing Jesus the God of mercy carrying a sword in order to kill The Prophet Balaam !
the main source is an arabic-orthodoxe web site :
http://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/attachme...3&d=1401404682
http://st-takla.org/Full-Free-Coptic...2_B/B_207.html
if you don't understand parables fair enough... And I can see you obviously don't. I said I would explain if you wished but you thought better.. And introduced some picture of some icon which you seem to have concluded is of "divine origin" .. If you are really putting it forward as evidence of ... ? I'm not sure what?? and not a depiction of man wishing to interpret something which could be allegorical, metaphorical or symbolic manner.
Yes.. it's unfortunateاقتباس:
Beheading become current in the news today.
Unfortunately islam is stigmatized by these scenes of horror .
I really think we have a light bulb moment here, and we've reached a point of agreement. It's NOT the religion... It's some of the FOLLOWERS.. Of the religion.. Because they have chosen to put their interpretation of the message over what the message actually says. This is not just Islam and not just muslims. Not sure you get that part.... ;)اقتباس:
I can't deny that !
There are numerous conflicts between Muslims !
Do you know why ???
Because they did not respond to the commands of the Lord in the holy Quran !
the Lord says :
(( And obey Allah and His Messenger, and do not dispute and [thus] lose courage and [then] your strength would depart ))
the holy Quran 8 : 47
Yes I have, rather incongruous that on one hand you affection and mercy.. Then rules about chastising ones wife... Beating, weather light and to do no harm.. Is still physical punishment.. As the men is the one told to do the chastising and the woman is the one on the receiving end I guess it's up to you how you choose to interpret it.. Or do you go with the affection and mercy.. Or chastisement.. As a man you have the choice.اقتباس:
Have you ever read this before????
(( And of His signs is that He created for you from yourselves mates that you may find tranquillity in them ; and He placed between you affection and mercy ))
the holy Quran 30 : 21
I'm not unduly worried.. However I very much doubt you do know the context... Did you check out Jezebel?اقتباس:
Don't worry !
I know very well in any context these words were told !
Yes I have... Do you know what it means? Would you like me to tell you what you should learn from this proverb? As a side note it is not a judgement on the spiritual equality of women according to God.اقتباس:
Are you sure ???
Have you ever read this before??
Proverbs 11 : 22
Like a gold ring in a pig’s snout is a beautiful woman who shows no discretion.
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peace with you .
Nature provides it own beauty to all of God's creation though we may not appreciate it in every case... Like in the pig, many would not see as beautiful..Adding a gold ring to the pigs snout doesn't change a thing it's still the same pig. The point of this proverb isn't pig beauty, but what makes a person beautiful or not beautiful. To try to be beautiful in terms of physical things never succeeds. Without the inner beauty of the soul and character, beauty is simply garnish. A beautiful women who lacks sense and moral discretion is not really attractive. If the beauty of the person doesn't reach inward the outward beauty becomes simply an object.
Real beauty is in the souls which shine so brightly through patience, humility, wisdom, kindness, respect and strength of character making one beautiful. This beauty can be found in what some may consider "ugly" as well as what some may consider beautiful... But who are we to judge. The natural beauty of the human body is a creation of God. He made women and men attractive to each other, and gave us the ability to see the inner beauty of a person. God's plan is for all humans to be eternally beautiful by taking on the divine character of God himself. He is goodness, tenderness, wisdom, righteousness, justice, and he is filled with loving kindness. He will give each of us such eternal beauty if we but seek it. Jesus is beautiful precisely because he became like his Father... He taught us that we could be as Him.
peace to you
On further reading of this post I realise you think the person with the sword depicts Jesus Himself. I'm not sure where you get this impression, but to be clear the story of Balaam is found in the Old Testament, and the biblical account has it that the being sent with a sword to exact judgement upon Balaam was an Angel of The Lord... Not Jesus Christ.اقتباس:
Parables ????!!!!
I don't think so!
below a nice icon representing Jesus the God of mercy carrying a sword in order to kill The Prophet Balaam !
the main source is an arabic-orthodoxe web site :
http://st-takla.org/Full-Free-Coptic...2_B/B_207.html
Numbers 22:21-39
Balaam’s Donkey
21 Balaam got up in the morning, saddled his donkey and went with the Moabite officials. 22 But God was very angry when he went, and the angel of the Lord stood in the road to oppose him. Balaam was riding on his donkey, and his two servants were with him. 23 When the donkey saw the angel of the Lord standing in the road with a drawn sword in his hand, it turned off the road into a field. Balaam beat it to get it back on the road.
Peace
The OP says rest assure he is not drunk. What is worse than drunk is trying to prove most of the Scripture that came before Muhammad's birth is wicked and an evil corruption. It is sad that that is the mostly used tactic to promote the Quran. I rather be drunk on the Holy Spirit speaking in tongues any day.اقتباس:
المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة pandora
Rest assured I'm not angry .اقتباس:
lol... What's with mr angry face?
What do you mean exactly !!!???اقتباس:
My question to you is that Islam teaching men how to beat their wives so that abuse won't take place, but why doesn't Islam teach the men not to be their wives to avoid abuse?
Can you rephrase the question please?
the God's words the( holy Coran ) does not need any kind of support .اقتباس:
It is sad that that is the mostly used tactic to promote the Quran.
Unfortunately these are the teachings of the supposed God .اقتباس:
What is worse than drunk is trying to prove most of the Scripture that came before Muhammad's birth is wicked and an evil corruption.
the christianity doesn't need any makeup !
Not anymore !
Even innocent children are massacred without mercy.
Ezekiel 9 : 6
Slaughter the old men, the young men and women,
the mothers and children
I've talked about her in the arabic froum .اقتباس:
Did you check out Jezebel?
please check out the date !
as you can see the thread was posted on 04-06-2014 .
http://www.kalemasawaa.com/vb/upload...1355780911.gif
"crush without mercy "
http://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/t199762.html
yes i know very well what it means !اقتباس:
Do you know what it means?
Every pretty and immature woman is like a gold ring in a pig’s snout .
of course this description applies to every beautiful and immaturate christian woman !
I know very well that the story of Balaam is found in the Old Testament .اقتباس:
On further reading of this post I realise you think the person with the sword depicts Jesus Himself. I'm not sure where you get this impression, but to be clear the story of Balaam is found in the Old Testament
the angel who appeared to Balaam is jesus him self
jesus appeared to Balaam as an angel !
this fact is stated by the arabic orthodox web site !
ملف مرفق 13766
http://st-takla.org/Full-Free-Coptic...2_B/B_207.html
I recommend you also to read this :
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In the book of Numbers, chapter 22 to chapter 24, God Himself came to Balaam. Jesus appeared as the Angel
of the Lord and Balaam not only saw a vision of God.
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It is written that the Lord opened the
mouth of the donkeyconfirming that the Angel of the Lord is indeed the Lord Himself.
ملف مرفق 13765
:p012:
http://www.bibleabookoftruth.com/Jes...lOfTheLord.pdf
peace with you .
Talked about her that's good..I expect then you understand why God decreed Jezebel be devoured by dogs?اقتباس:
I've talked about her in the arabic froum .please check out the date !
as you can see the thread was posted on 04-06-2014 .
"crush without mercy "
افرم و لا تشفق عينك
amazing .. I even explained it for you and you still don't understand!!!!!اقتباس:
yes i know very well what it means !
Every pretty and immature woman is like a gold ring in a pig’s snout .
of course this description applies to every beautiful and immaturate christian woman !
[QUOTE]I know very well that the story of Balaam is found in the Old Testament .
the angel who appeared to Balaam is jesus him self
jesus appeared to Balaam as an angel !
this fact is stated by the arabic orthodox web site !
this may be stated as fact by your Arabic orthodox website but that does not make it fact.. The Bible clearly states ..
Balaam and His Donkey Meet an Angel
22 Balaam was riding his donkey to Moab, and two of his servants were with him. But God was angry that Balaam had gone, so one of the Lord’s angels stood in the road to stop him. 23 When Balaam’s donkey saw the angel standing there with a sword, it walked off the road and into an open field. Balaam had to beat the donkey to get it back on the road.
24 Then the angel stood between two vineyards, in a narrow path with a stone wall on each side. 25 When the donkey saw the angel, it walked so close to one of the walls that Balaam’s foot scraped against the wall. Balaam beat the donkey again.
26 The angel moved once more and stood in a spot so narrow that there was no room for the donkey to go around. 27 So it just lay down. Balaam lost his temper, then picked up a stick and smacked the donkey.
28 When that happened, the Lord told the donkey to speak, and it asked Balaam, “What have I done to you that made you beat me three times?”
29 “You made me look stupid!” Balaam answered. “If I had a sword, I’d kill you here and now!”
30 “But you’re my owner,” replied the donkey, “and you’ve ridden me many times. Have I ever done anything like this before?”
“No,” Balaam admitted.
31 Just then, the Lord let Balaam see the angel standing in the road, holding a sword, and Balaam bowed down.
The Lord .. Is God..YHWH.. The Angel of The Lord.. Is an angel.. A heavenly host at The Lord Gods command..Jesus is not mentioned by name.. You are putting words where they are not. The Lord opened the mouth of the donkey refers to God.. Who is unseen.. If The Lord opened balsams eyes so that he could see what the donkey saw.. Which was the angel of The Lord blocking his path with sword raised.. Was then The Lord in two places at once? There are clearly to beings depicted here.. Apart that is from Balaam.. The Lord and the angel of The Lord..Jesus was never an Angel.. Even the Quran has never claimed Jesus was an angel. You my friend are not making sense here.
I'll give your link a read though, it should be interesting to see what it has to say.
any comment ???اقتباس:
Slaughter the old men, the young men and women,
the mothers and children
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What do you think ????اقتباس:
Was then The Lord in two places at once?
The Lord can't do that ???
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You have to protest in front of the christian web site who said that not in front of me !اقتباس:
You my friend are not making sense here.
I don't know what to tell you except take it up with the one who sent the torah not us Christians. We follow Jesus who said love your enemies.اقتباس:
المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة *اسلامي عزي*
According to the christian faith ==> Yahweh = Jesus .اقتباس:
المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة Burninglight
Maybe you forgot the fact that who sent the torah is the same one who sent the new testament !
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You are not interested in explanations, so I'm not sure it worth my time and effort to offer you one for Ezekiel 9:6 which you I think are hoping puts Christians in a difficult position. Well it doesn't.. I'll keep it brief. ~اقتباس:
المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة *اسلامي عزي*
God is angry with Israel because of their sin, particularly their idolatry. There can be no truce between God and sin. Where he sees lawlessness and godlessness, he cannot but react with holy aversion. It is his very nature to react in wrath against sin and its perpetrators. Surely Allah does show righteous wrath on occasion.. If not then how can he be just? Were God to be without anger towards sin, the world would have no meaning. Though these chapters are tough and unrelenting, the message of grace shines through in a remnant that God, and God alone, rescues.
In chapter 28 we see an account of the fall of Satan..
"Your heart was proud because of your beauty;
you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor.
I cast you to the ground;
I exposed you before kings,
to feast their eyes on you.
By the multitude of your iniquities,
in the unrighteousness of your trade
you profaned your sanctuaries; ..." (Ezek 28:17-18a)
to to understand the context here you need to understand the Prophet. Read Ezekiel he was a prophet who had quite an insight into sin, and how God relates to it. That's why Christians accept what you see as "difficult" passages as having an importance to Gods plan. We need to know Gods wrath is real and it is to be feared.. We never question Gods divine judgement even when it seems harsh because we know God will prevail over evil whatever the cost.
For sure yes of course.. God is omnipresent. It is you who is saying that Jesus was mentioned as the angel when He patently was not mentioned at all.اقتباس:
What do you think ????
The Lord can't do that ???
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No need.. They are entitled to their opinion, I believe they are wrong to interpret the Angel of The Lord with Jesus Christ because no where does the Bible say Jesus is an angel.اقتباس:
You have to protest in front of the christian web site who said that not in front of me !
Peace..
We are in agreement here!اقتباس:
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God is angry with Israel because of their idolatry ===> i' totally agree with you.
but...
What is the crime committed by the young and innocent children and for that they are slaughtered !
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Why don't you ask Allah? He is the one who sent down the torah. Why would anyone want to corrupt the torah with a story like that? Maybe God allowed it to be done because the children would carry on the idolatry, sin and wickedness of their parents. After all, God is all knowing. Maybe you should concentrate on supporting what your god does instead of looking to criticize him.اقتباس:
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That's exactly it Burninglight.. God knows what we do not.. I mentioned on another thread. It may have been preferably to God to take the children to Him and in His mercy sparing them a life of sin and idolatry. Who are we to argue with what God decrees?اقتباس:
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I don't see muslims arguing with Allah about the difficult and violent verses in the Quran that call muslims to pass violent judgement on unbelievers for example. If that acceptance of what Allah decrees for you is ok.. Then why are you criticising the Bible for what God decreed for His people. The judgements in the Bible were for a particular circumstance and a particular people at that time alone. It is not meant that we carry out such judgements today.
blessings
Exactly, but the thing is by criticizing the Torah (OT Bible), they are not only criticizing our faith (Christianity), our God, but also their faith, god and religion. It appears to be a lose, lose situation for them. It is kind of like one cutting off their nose just to spite their own face. It is total insanity. I really can't take too much more of this foolishness. Maybe during Ramadan Muslims could ask Jesus since He is not dead what role He wants to play in the lives of Muslims and Christians.اقتباس:
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Christian women share the same inheritance as Christian men in the hereafter, but do Muslim women share the same as Muslim men?
The true God does not order - in any circumstances - the killing of innocent babys !اقتباس:
He is the one who sent down the torah.
put the text from the OT .please !اقتباس:
Maybe God allowed it to be done because the children would carry on the idolatry, sin and wickedness of their parents.
Allah order Muslims to fight and kill only the pagans and the polytheists warriors .اقتباس:
I don't see muslims arguing with Allah about the difficult and violent verses in the Quran that call muslims to pass violent judgement on unbelievers for example.
where is the problem ????
the answer is NO .اقتباس:
Christian women share the same inheritance as Christian men in the hereafter, but do Muslim women share the same as Muslim men?
Allah instructs you concerning your children: for the male, what is equal to the share of two females.
the holy Qura'n 4 : 11
who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones !
deut 21 : 17
But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.
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here is the position of the women in Christianity .
she is like a merchandise !
Mat 18 : 25
But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
Exodus 21 : 7
And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.
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PEACE ....