The word is no evidence does not mean somethingاقتباس:
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The word is no evidence does not mean somethingاقتباس:
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For the good dialogue we must take care to only one point. Now
Dialogue with proof
Dialogue with proof
Dialogue with proof
You answer my posts only
http://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/560037-post28.html
http://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/560042-post29.html
Of course, you are not told because there is none at all !!اقتباس:
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However, which bible of those do you think was inspired ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon
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Advice
Stop copying and pasting from here
http://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/canon.cfm
Tell us what do you believe
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Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:اقتباس:
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"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".
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Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realise that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1611_John-16-7/
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What do you find difficult with a triune Godhead? Do you measure God by human characteristics? How do you as a muslim see the nature of God?
The Trinity as the word..TRINITY..is not mentioned anywhere in the Bible. However there are many instances where the nature of God is described in such a way that makes a triune Godhead obvious.
It is important for you to understand the nature of what we believe in a triune God, I thought I explained it, but obviously not well enough. Christians believe in ONE God, not three separate and distinct individual beings. On this point the Trinity consists of God, the Father. Jesus as the son, made man. The Holy Spirit as the will of God. Never has Mary mother of Jesus was part of the Trinity, the very idea that God may have had a union with Mary as in human terms in order to beget Jesus is abhorrent to Christians and we consider it an insult to God the highest that his greatness should be brought low.
We as humans do not need to understand God, and should not measure God by our own puny understanding. Mankind seeks communion with God, it's what we all hope for in Heaven or Paradise for you. The triune nature of God makes this a possibility in as much God has shown his love for us through the sacrifice of Jesus, his Holy Spirit guides us to the truth and the right path to this communion.
Now I could I'm sure find something on the Internet that would offer you proof from a scientific perspective, but I thought the idea here was a dialogue of ones own opinions and a sharing of understanding of our beliefs. Besides you can find that information yourself if you so wished to. Is there another agenda that I am not aware of here?
Reply to your post 33.. I copied and pasted that because it is what I believe.:p012: you don't copy and paste then?
To your 34. Why it cannot be Mohammed.
15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
Jesus is telling his disciples that they already know the "helper", he dwells with you and is in you..this is the Holy Spirit. The disciples never knew Mohammed.
19 “A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. 20 At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. 21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”
22 Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, “Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?”
23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. 24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me.
"He will keep My word" Mohammed never kept Jesus's word, but brought his own version.
25 “These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. 27 Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. 28 You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.
Mohammed never claimed to come by Jesus's name, but in Allah's. How would Mohammed bring to their remembrance all things Jesus had said?...he did not arrive on the scene till 600 years later.
I have said this already before on another forum...but it makes no difference.
Answer to your post 32.
Dialogue with proof..I find this funny, that I have to prove my religion and yet for a muslim is is ok to just quote the Quran, and that is supposed to be proof enough.
That can only ever be proof if you believe it is the genuine word of God and God alone. I think my belief is plain. I am beginning to think I have been invited here under false pretence. I thought it was for mutual dialogue.
I will ask you a question, for you to answer not with an answer the Quran tells you but what you have thought on for yourself, what you believe ..how does your God show his love to you?
Post 34.
Your quote I guess from an Islamic source...that really should read ALL Christians would say, it refers to the Holy Spirit.
What you fail to understand the Holy Spirit existed from the beginning along with God and the word of God Christ. The Holy Spirit is always present in any who accept Gods grace.
So hence this prophecy definitely does not refer to Mohammed. but does most definitely refer to the Holy Spirit.
Post 29..
A Unitarian Christian is not I believe a true Christian. IMHO. If you look at their ideology they stress more of mans will and not Gods will.
But we all are free to take whichever path we wish in life. I can't speak for them as I don't know any Unitarian Christians personally.
A question... Why is a non muslims belief important to you?
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What do you find difficult with a triune Godhead? Do you measure God by human characteristics? How do you as a muslim see the nature of God?
Allah in Islam is great
http://www.everyayah.com/data/images_png/42_11.png
Sahih International: [He is] Creator of the heavens and the earth. He has made for you from yourselves, mates, and among the cattle, mates; He multiplies you thereby. There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the Hearing, the Seeing.
but Allah in Christianity like
animals also
http://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/t193429.html
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The Trinity as the word..TRINITY..is not mentioned anywhere in the Bible. However there are many instances where the nature of God is described in such a way that makes a triune Godhead obvious.
This is proof that Trinity added after Jesus and there is plenty of evidence that the Trinity of his Gentile
اقتباس:
Never has Mary mother of Jesus was part of the Trinity
Father + son + Holy Spirit + Mary = Trinity
False equivalencies
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We as humans do not need to
understand God
An agnostic just says so or not understand beliefs like you
Yes the Internet contain evidence that the Trinity of his Gentileاقتباس:
Now I could I'm sure find something on the Internet that would offer you proof from a scientific perspective, but I thought the idea here was a dialogue of ones own opinions and a sharing of understanding of our beliefs. Besides you can find that information yourself if you so wished to. Is there another agenda that I am not aware of here?
And disciples of Christ did not complete
And many Christians don't believe Trinity
Past and present Christian faiths who do not believe in the Trinity include:
Arianism (4th century)
Some Radical Reformers (16th century), such as Michael Servetus
Jehovah's Witnesses
Mormonism
Unitarianism
Reasons given for rejecting the doctrine of the Trinity include:
1.To be son is to be less than divine and to be divine is to be no one’s son. How could Jesus have the attributes of sonship and divinity altogether?
2.Christians assert that Jesus claimed to be God when they quote him in John 14:9: "He that has seen me has seen the Father". Didn’t Jesus clearly say that people have never seen God, as it says in John 5:37: "And the father himself which Has sent me, has borne witness of me. You have NEITHER HEARD HIS VOICE AT ANY TIME NOR SEEN HIS SHAPE"?
3.Christians say that Jesus was God because he was called Son of God, Son of Man, Messiah, and "savior". Ezekiel was addressed in the Bible as Son of Man. Jesus spoke of "the peace makers" as Sons of God. Any person who followed the Will and Plan of God was called SON OF GOD in the Jewish tradition and in their language (Genesis 6:2,4; Exodus 4:22; Psalm 2:7; Romans 8:14). "Messiah" which in Hebrew means "God’s anointed" and not "Christ", and "Cyrus" the person is called "Messiah" or "the anointed". As for "savior", in II KINGS 13:5, other individuals were given that title too without being gods. So where is the proof in these terms that Jesus was God when the word son is not exclusively used for him alone?
4.Christians claim that Jesus acknowledged that he and God were one in the sense of nature when he says in John 10:30 "I and my father are one". Later on in John 17:21-23, Jesus refers to his followers and himself and God as one in five places. So why did they give the previous "one" a different meaning from the other five "ones?
5.Is God three-in-one and one in three simultaneously or one at a time?
6.If God is one and three simultaneously, then none of the three could be the complete God. Granting that such was the case, then when Jesus was on earth, he wasn’t a complete God, nor was the "father in Heaven" a whole God. Doesn’t that contradict what Jesus always said about His God and our God in heaven, his Lord and our Lord ? Does that also mean that there was no complete god then, between the claimed crucifixion and the claimed resurrection?
more
http://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/t191613.html
Barnabas the Apostle knew Mohamedاقتباس:
The disciples never knew Mohammed
The Bible contains many emblems cannot refute
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"He will keep My word" Mohammed never kept Jesus's word, but brought his own version.
http://www.everyayah.com/data/images_png/4_171.png
Sahih International: O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.
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How would Mohammed bring to their remembrance all things Jesus had said?
The Koran to the Prophet Muhammad told all about Jesus
Because Mohammed and Jesus prophets of Allah
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Dialogue with proof..I find this funny, that I have to prove my religion and yet for a muslim is is ok to just quote the Quran, and that is supposed to be proof enough.
Yes, when you are talking about your faith come to demonstrate because we do not believe in Christianity
First post I asked you to games about Islam but you talked about the Trinity and the crucifixion of Jesus and have not installed
This shows that you don't understand anything in Christianity only you repeat that you are told
If you don't want to talk about Christianity and willing to learn about Islamاقتباس:
I am beginning to think I have been invited here under false pretence. I thought it was for mutual dialogue.
Please ask any question.
Because Islam answered all questions
I love Allah but Allah loves me moreاقتباس:
how does your God show his love to you?
Because God loves me with his mercy and pardon and forgiveness. Loves me with his grace. Such as health, mind and religion Islam
God in Islam is closer to people than anything else. However missed whistle me
Say: O my servants! Who have acted extravagantly against themselves, do not despair of the mercy of God; Surely God forgives the faults altogether; surely He is the Forgiving, the Merciful. (39:53)
But whoever repents after his iniquity and reforms (himself), then surely God will return to him (mercifully); surely God is Forgiving, Merciful. (5:39).
Love in Islam has 99 type
http://blahzeeblah.files.wordpress.c...h-99-names.jpg
Love in Islam is not mere slogans lyrics
But the work
The problem you are talking nonsense. I excused you because you do not understand well your faithاقتباس:
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Scrubs for many Christians do not understand the Trinity
Enough that they are Christians because they jump that Trinity fabricationاقتباس:
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Reminder
Past and present Christian faiths who do not believe in the Trinity include:
Arianism (4th century)
Some Radical Reformers (16th century), such as Michael Servetus
Jehovah's Witnesses
Mormonism
Unitarianism
I like non-Muslimsاقتباس:
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Because I love goodness and truth to them
Such as: you can't explain the Trinity and you say you don't need a Bible
And you don't need to know Allah
I'm sure if you find Allah in Islam like it
How to quote posts
Copy and paste posts
And click on picture
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click on picture
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[QUOTE=فداء الرسول;560115]Allah in Islam is
Sahih International: [He is] Creator of the heavens and the earth. He has made for you from yourselves, mates, and among the cattle, mates; He multiplies you thereby. There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the Hearing, the Seeing.
but Allah in Christianity like
animals also
This is proof that Trinity added after Jesus and there is plenty of evidence that the Trinity of his Gentile
How is this proof? It does not make sense.
Father + son + Holy Spirit + Mary = Trinity
What has Mary to do with the trinity???
False equivalencies
An agnostic just says so or not understand beliefs like you
I understand I beliefs perfectly well thank you. I don't see why I should have to prove them to someone who has harden their hearts to the truth.
Yes the Internet contain evidence that the Trinity of his Gentile
And disciples of Christ did not complete
And many Christians don't believe Trinity
Past and present Christian faiths who do not believe in the Trinity include:
Arianism (4th century)
Some Radical Reformers (16th century), such as Michael Servetus
Jehovah's Witnesses
Mormonism
Unitarianism
To be a Christian one has to believe in Christ, these you quote cannot be considered radical reformers..at best they are considered cults.
Reasons given for rejecting the doctrine of the Trinity include:
1.To be son is to be less than divine and to be divine is to be no one’s son. How could Jesus have the attributes of sonship and divinity altogether?
2.Christians assert that Jesus claimed to be God when they quote him in John 14:9: "He that has seen me has seen the Father". Didn’t Jesus clearly say that people have never seen God, as it says in John 5:37: "And the father himself which Has sent me, has borne witness of me. You have NEITHER HEARD HIS VOICE AT ANY TIME NOR SEEN HIS SHAPE"?
3.Christians say that Jesus was God because he was called Son of God, Son of Man, Messiah, and "savior". Ezekiel was addressed in the Bible as Son of Man. Jesus spoke of "the peace makers" as Sons of God. Any person who followed the Will and Plan of God was called SON OF GOD in the Jewish tradition and in their language (Genesis 6:2,4; Exodus 4:22; Psalm 2:7; Romans 8:14). "Messiah" which in Hebrew means "God’s anointed" and not "Christ", and "Cyrus" the person is called "Messiah" or "the anointed". As for "savior", in II KINGS 13:5, other individuals were given that title too without being gods. So where is the proof in these terms that Jesus was God when the word son is not exclusively used for him alone?
4.Christians claim that Jesus acknowledged that he and God were one in the sense of nature when he says in John 10:30 "I and my father are one". Later on in John 17:21-23, Jesus refers to his followers and himself and God as one in five places. So why did they give the previous "one" a different meaning from the other five "ones?
5.Is God three-in-one and one in three simultaneously or one at a time?
6.If God is one and three simultaneously, then none of the three could be the complete God. Granting that such was the case, then when Jesus was on earth, he wasn’t a complete God, nor was the "father in Heaven" a whole God. Doesn’t that contradict what Jesus always said about His God and our God in heaven, his Lord and our Lord ? Does that also mean that there was no complete god then, between the claimed crucifixion and the claimed resurrection?
Again you are measuring the divine by the human.
You need to understand that for God anything and everything is possible. It is not for us to question the will of God.
It's good that you believe this, but I do not see how your Allah as a unitary deity is capable of love. The 99 words for love of Allah is beautiful for sure, but for me there is one missing which is most important one..that of Father. Just as a Father loves his children, guides his children, teaches his children then God does the same for us, as his children. Just as a child loves, respects, and follows a fathers teaching then we follow God.اقتباس:
how does your God show his love to you?
I love Allah but Allah loves me more
Because God loves me with his mercy and pardon and forgiveness. Loves me with his grace. Such as health, mind and religion Islam
God in Islam is closer to people than anything else.
[However missed whistle me
I consider this patronising, so I will not respond.اقتباس:
The problem you are talking nonsense. I excused you because you do not understand well your faith
Scrubs for many Christians do not understand the Trinity
I don't need to explain the trinity, I understand it and you don't wish to so its immaterial.اقتباس:
I like non-Muslims
Because I love goodness and truth to them
Such as: you can't explain the Trinity and you say you don't need a Bible
And you don't need to know Allah
I'm sure if you find Allah in Islam like it
I never said I do not need a Bible, stop changing my words, I said I do not WHOLEY rely on the Bible for my faith. God is not in a book. He is an intrinsic part of your being if you allow him to be.
I don't need to know Allah, because I have God.
I have looked for Allah in the Quran but can only see the Quran as a work of man...not God.
I almost missed this one. How so? the Apostle Barnabas, who never met Jesus BTW. Was a companion to Paul, formally Saul. He died hundreds of years before Mohammed was born. So how could he have known Mohammed?اقتباس:
Barnabas the Apostle knew Mohamed
The Bible contains many emblems cannot refute
No, it did not or if it did then Mohammed or his scribes must have changed it. because it is the opposite of what the Bible teaches about Jesus. As i said already..God would not make such an error.اقتباس:
The Koran to the Prophet Muhammad told all about Jesus
.If you read the 99 types of love sure it qualities of the father or mother, but Allah is great. More than anything to compare itاقتباس:
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Pandora :you will not understand the meaning of Allah in Islam. If you compare it to human beings
Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One
Allah , the Eternal Refuge
He neither begets nor is born
Nor is there to Him any equivalent
Thank you for this explanation.اقتباس:
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Regards the Gospel of Barnabas muslims like to quote. It has been proven as a medieval fake, many muslim scholars accept this as truth having examined the evidence. There is the Epistle of Barnabas which is a genuine Christian work which is quite different from the gospel.
:) it is not I who measures God or Allah by human terms...I keep saying this over and over. Mankind can never hope to understand fully the greatness of God. Mankind no matter how good and pure we try to be, will always fall short of the Glory of God.اقتباس:
Pandora :you will not understand the meaning of Allah in Islam. If you compare it to human beings
Christ said the way to the Father was through him, he is our intercessor with God almighty.
Who is yours?
اقتباس:
I never said I do not need a Bible, stop changing my words, I said I do not WHOLEY rely on the Bible for my faith. God is not in a book. He is an intrinsic part of your being if you allow him to be.
the Bible has nothing to do with God when Christians
Is the Bible Book of Songs, stories or history.For you
اقتباس:
I have looked for Allah in the Quran but can only see the Quran as a work of man...not God.
That's funny.Where directory
اقتباس:
the Apostle Barnabas, who never met Jesus BTW
Can you tell me of the Gospel writers
Barnabas invented the Gospelاقتباس:
e Mohammed was born. So how could he have known Mohammed?
Or is from Allah
1 - invented the Bible = Bible interpolated
2 - from Allah = Bisharat Prophet Muhammad
اقتباس:
No, it did not or if it did then Mohammed or his scribes must have changed it. because it is the opposite of what the Bible teaches about Jesus. As i said already..God would not make such an error.
Nonsense = no evidence
:) for me personally it is an inspired work of scripture, an historical account, a guide book for life, parables written two thousand years ago that still have a validity in today's world. A source of comfort, peace and joy and an ever present reminder of Gods love for me. :)اقتباس:
Is the Bible Book of Songs, stories or history.For you
Pandora:
I want answer to that dialogue with you leads to deadlock
1
Do you want to ask about Islam
2
Or dissemination of Christianity
Select and close this topic
And another opens