بارك الله فيك أخانا الحبيب
عرض للطباعة
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
جزاك الله خيراً أخي الكريم طارق على الموضوع المميز و بارك الله في أخينا الفاضل عبد الرحمان على اضافته القيمة
سبحان الله بالرغم من أن الكتاب المقدس يذكر المكان الذي سكنه الاسماعيليون و أنه جزيرة العرب و أدلة كثيرة تظهر ذلك إلا أنهم مازالوا يكذبون
تكوين (25-18)
17 وهذه سنو حياة اسماعيل.مئة وسبع وثلاثون سنة.واسلم روحه ومات وانضمّ الى قومه. 18 وسكنوا من حويلة الى شور التي امام مصر حينما تجيء نحو اشور.امام جميع اخوته نزل
The Death of Abraham
17 Altogether, Ishmael lived a hundred and thirty-seven years. He breathed his last and died, and he was gathered to his people. 18 His descendants settled in the area from Havilah to Shur, near the border of Egypt, as you go toward Asshur
و هذه خريطة موضحة للمنطقة من موقع كندي للكتاب المقدس
http://www.bible.ca/archeology/maps-...amalekites.jpg
و هذه ترجمة Havilah في الويكيبيديا و حيث أن لها اكثر من معنى .. علمت المعنى المطلوب باللون الأزرق في سفر التكوين _اصحاح 25 أي في Genesis 25:18 ونلاحظ أن المعنى هو جزيرة العرب التي سكنها الاسماعيليون
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havilah
Havilah (literally meaning "Stretch of Sand") is the name of various lands and/or people mentioned in the Bible. The first mention is in Genesis 2:11 in relation to the Garden of Eden: "The name of the first [river] is the Pishon; it is the one that winds through the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold." Havilah is known for its abundance. In addition to gold, Havilah is reported as having bdellium (a resin similar to myrrh and produced by related plants) and onyx stone. - Genesis 2:12
In addition to the region described in Genesis 2, two individuals named Havilah are listed in the Table of Nations which lists the descendants of Noah, who are considered eponymous ancestors of nations. They are mentioned in Genesis 10:7,29, 1 Chronicles 1:9,23. One is the son of Cush, the son of Ham; the other, a son of Joktan and descendant of Shem. [1] The former is listed with names associated with the region of the Gulf of Aden while the latter is listed with names associated with the Arabian desert. Such a land in the Arabian desert is mentioned in Genesis 25:18, where it defines the border of the territory inhabited by the Ishmaelites, and in 1 Samuel 15:7, which states that king Saul of Israel attacked the Amalekites who were living there[2]. Other sources, such as the book of Jashar indicate that the Ishmaelites moved on from there to settle in Tarshish, located in central India, while the book of the book of Jubilees states that the remained in that location. Islam also holds to that believe.
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
نعم اختنا الكريمة نور القلوب
كلام حضرتك صحيح
ويوجد لدي بعض الخرائط للكتاب المقدس وكلام من مراجعهم يؤيد ما قلتيه حضرتك
ساجلبه ان شاء الله
جزاكم الله خيرا