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    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

    حياك الله اختنا الفاضلة

    هو يريد منك تحديد 10 اسئلة او اكثر من اجل ان يجيب عليها. حسنا سنرى ان شاء الله


    Who rote the bible?
    when it was written?
    what marks the bible's begining and what marks it's end?
    when was jesus was born?
    when jesus was crucified no one of his disciple saw him, how did they describe something they never saw?
    there is no mentioning in the bible for the trinity, then who invented it?
    jesus in the bible never says that he is a God and worship me, why do you claim that he is a god?
    how can we explain the differences and the mistakes in the bible?
    how can we explain the adition of some writers to the bible? i qoute from a christian theologian
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    :""...portions of the book were probably added by scribes or editors from later periods of Israel's history... (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 183)"
    الحديث هنا عن سفر نشيد الانشادsongs of songs
    i qoute also:
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    Here is what the NIV Bible Theologians and Historians say about the books:
    About the books of 1 and 2 Samuel: "Many questions have arisen pertaining to the literary character, authorship and date of 1,2 Samuel."
    "Who the author was cannot be known with certainty since the book itself gives no indication of his identity."
    (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 368).
    About the books of 1 and 2 Kings: "There is little conclusive evidence as to the identity of the author of 1,2 Kings."
    "Whoever the author was, it is clear that he was familiar with the book of Deuteronomy."
    (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 459).
    هذا ما حضر في ذهني الان وربما نحضر مجموعة اخرى من الاسئلة ان شاء الله
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    سَلامٌ مِنْ صَبا بَرَدى أَرَقُّ ....ودمعٌ لا يُكَفْكَفُ يا دمشقُ

    ومَعْذِرَةَ اليراعةِ والقوافي .... جلاءُ الرِّزءِ عَنْ وَصْفٍ يُدَّقُ

    وذكرى عن خواطرِها لقلبي .... إليكِ تلفّتٌ أَبداً وخَفْقُ

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    السلام عليك أختنا
    إذا كان طلبه أسئلة ليرد عليها إذن فمازال هناك أمل أن يفهم و أن يهتدى, و إليك بعض من الاسئلة التى من الممكن أن تسئليها له, فلتقرئيها جيدا هى و الاسئلة التى أرسلها لك اخونا أبو على الفلسطينى و أى أسئلة أخرى ولتنتقى منها ما ترينه مناسب للشخص الذى تحاوريه.

    Here are the Questions with quotation from the bible to help you understanding my point
    The Bible says: Romans 10:17 (faith comes from hearing the message and the message is heard through the word of Christ).
    So all your beliefs must be said by Jesus Christ, not Paul, Peter, Mark and Mathew.

    1- Would you please tell me when Jesus did mention the original sin?
    But the fact is that Jesus neglected it, John 15:22 (If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin).

    2- Where did Jesus spoke about him having human and divine nature, or said I’m God or Worship me?
    The fact that he said, that the only true God is the Father and he “Jesus” is another thing but God and that God sent him.
    John 5:31-32 (If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. There is another that beareth witness of me.)
    Jesus praying to the Father; John 3:17 (And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.)
    The fact is that he said I’m a human sent by the father (a prophet):
    John 8:40 (But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God) God means the Father as mentioned above in John3:17.

    3- Is this verse word of God?
    2 Timothy 4:10 (The cloke that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, but especially the parchments)

    4- Is this Verse written by Mathew?
    Matthew 9:9 (And as Jesus passed forth from thence, he saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and he saith unto him, Follow me. And he arose, and followed him)

    5- Do you believe that what is told in this verse is a divine moral? And would you like to be a harlot to go to the kingdom of God
    Matthew 21:31 (Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.)

    6- Jesus said:
    Mark 7:27 (But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.)
    The Children are sons of Israel and the dogs are the others like you and me, do you believe that this is a Godly justice or just a Jewish racism.
    And do you know what should your answer be?
    And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children's crumbs.
    Do you agree with your bible, are you a dog do you accept eating from under the crumbs under the table of the Jews?

    7- In the Old Testament it’s told:
    Isaiah 9:6 (For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.)
    And Jesus said:
    Mathew 10:34 (Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.)
    Luke 22:36 (Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.)
    This is not symbolic he means a real sword and here is the prove:
    Luke 22:38 (And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.)
    Luke 14:26 (If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.)
    Is this a prince of peace?
    Do you hate all those people mentioned up there? can you hate them? is this the way to the Kingdom of God.
    I command you the true way of God which is Islam the word Islam is derived from the Arabic word Salam which means Peace.

    and finally i salute you be the Islamic greeting.
    Peace be upon you and God's mercy and blessings

    Note you can refer also to the book of sheikh Deedat (100 question without answer)
    or to the Book"البهاريز فى الكلام اللى يغيظ" For Mr. Alaa Abo bakr which you can find here in the forums library.
    God help and reward you.


    نقره لتكبير أو تصغير الصورة ونقرتين لعرض الصورة في صفحة مستقلة بحجمها الطبيعي

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    جزاكم الله خيرا اخواني
    قبلاناعقب علي مشاركاتكم احب ان اعرفكم اني طبعا لسه لم ارد عليه لاني طبعا كنت في انتظار اقتراحاتكم
    لكن لقيته اليوم باعت لي ايميل عجيب قوي
    يا ريت تشوفوه
    Read the following:



    According to Egyptian law, the construction of churches - unlike mosques - requires formal government approval. Many Copts complain that Christian communities face undue bureaucratic obstacles when trying to build or renovate their places of worship, while efforts to build mosques face little if any official obstruction.

    “It’s absurd that anyone would have to obtain a licence in order to simply practise their faith,” said Gabriel. “Some 90 percent of the problems between Christians and Muslims can be attributed to the church-building issue.”

    From: http://copts.com/english1/index.php/...tensions-rise/







    Muslims pass laws to restrict the Christians, it’s a disgraceful display. Your God requires laws by men for protection. The men of Islam must pass laws to protect Allah from the Christian assault! Lets protect ourselves from the crazed Christians and their corrupted Bible. Lets pass laws!



    Look how the wonderful Muslim treats the Christian since they are in the majority, they pass laws to protect themselves from the minority. What do they fear from the Christians and their corrupted book anyway?



    What sort of God teaches men to act in this way, a God that plans to give virgins to men as a reward! Sex is a reward in Islam, the outrageous concepts and behavior never seems to end in Islam.



    I have much more to say about this religion of yours, just to let you know, but not just yet.





    FYI:

    Sex is not a reward in Christianity by the way, for your information our corrupted Bible teaches us that God does not encourage lust of the flesh now nor in the future.
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    كلامه غبي جدا ومستفز جدا

    بس مش هرد علي حاجة غير بعد ما اسمع مقترحاتكم ونشوف بما نرد علي هبله وافلاسه ده

    بيتكلم عن ااضطهاد المسيحين في مصر الاهبل ده ودم الشهيدة مروة لسه لم يبرد .....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ابو علي الفلسطيني View Post
    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

    حياك الله اختنا الفاضلة

    هو يريد منك تحديد 10 اسئلة او اكثر من اجل ان يجيب عليها. حسنا سنرى ان شاء الله


    Who rote the bible?
    when it was written?
    what marks the bible's begining and what marks it's end?
    when was jesus was born?
    when jesus was crucified no one of his disciple saw him, how did they describe something they never saw?
    there is no mentioning in the bible for the trinity, then who invented it?
    jesus in the bible never says that he is a God and worship me, why do you claim that he is a god?
    how can we explain the differences and the mistakes in the bible?
    how can we explain the adition of some writers to the bible? i qoute from a christian theologian

    الحديث هنا عن سفر نشيد الانشادsongs of songs
    i qoute also:


    هذا ما حضر في ذهني الان وربما نحضر مجموعة اخرى من الاسئلة ان شاء الله


    Iwish to be rewarded by Allah for your help my brother.
    your questions are very good and i liked it. but i have only 2 comments:
    1st one :
    when was jesus was born?

    i like from you to clarify for me your target in this question,please.

    2nd one:
    there is no mentioning in the bible for the trinity, then who invented it?
    jesus in the bible never says that he is a God and worship me,


    these 2 questions were the first questions i have asked him since monthes but my argument with him in these 2 points was in vain ofcourse not because weak proofs of me but coz blind mind of him as i think.
    and if u like to post our e mails of discussing these topics , i am ready to do and glad to do.


    thank u too much , my brother
    and please keep on helping me in facing them
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    يا أختى مال الدين الاسلامى بما تفعل الحكومة المصرية.
    هل الحكومة المصرية ملتزمة بالشريعة الاسلامية؟ بالطبع لا
    هل يعلم ما هى قوانيين بناء المساجد فى مصر؟ و ما هى الشروط التى تقيدها؟
    هل يعلم كيف تستولى الكنائس على أراضى الدولة بإعتراف مسجل فيديو للبابا سنودة هيربس؟
    ما علاقة الدين بالدول - هل يمكن أن نحاسب المسيحية على من يفجرون مستشفيات الاجهاض فى أمريكا أم على من يقتلون الشواذ أم على جورج بوش عندما قال أن حربه صليبية أم على مدير شركة بلاك ووتر الذى قال أنه محارب صليبى غرضه تخليص العالم من المسلمين أم على هيتلر الذى قال أن ما يفعله نابع من إيمانه كمسيحى ام على الحروب الصيبية. كل هذا لا يحسب على الاديان بل ما يحسب على الاديان هو تعاليم هذه الاديان.
    و لا تحولى أن تتشتتى معه فهو يحاول التهرب و تشتيت الموضوع. إرسلى إليه الاسئلة و طالبيه بالرد ثم ردى على الايميل الثانى إن أردتى
    موفق بإذن الله ... لك مني أجمل تحية .
    نقره لتكبير أو تصغير الصورة ونقرتين لعرض الصورة في صفحة مستقلة بحجمها الطبيعي

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    Quote Originally Posted by مسلم عن حق View Post
    السلام عليك أختنا
    إذا كان طلبه أسئلة ليرد عليها إذن فمازال هناك أمل أن يفهم و أن يهتدى, و إليك بعض من الاسئلة التى من الممكن أن تسئليها له, فلتقرئيها جيدا هى و الاسئلة التى أرسلها لك اخونا أبو على الفلسطينى و أى أسئلة أخرى ولتنتقى منها ما ترينه مناسب للشخص الذى تحاوريه.

    Here are the Questions with quotation from the bible to help you understanding my point
    The Bible says: Romans 10:17 (faith comes from hearing the message and the message is heard through the word of Christ).
    So all your beliefs must be said by Jesus Christ, not Paul, Peter, Mark and Mathew
    .

    1- Would you please tell me when Jesus did mention the original sin?
    But the fact is that Jesus neglected it, John 15:22 (If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin).

    2- Where did Jesus spoke about him having human and divine nature, or said I’m God or Worship me?
    The fact that he said, that the only true God is the Father and he “Jesus” is another thing but God and that God sent him.
    John 5:31-32 (If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. There is another that beareth witness of me.)
    Jesus praying to the Father; John 3:17 (And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.)
    The fact is that he said I’m a human sent by the father (a prophet):
    John 8:40 (But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God) God means the Father as mentioned above in John3:17.

    3- Is this verse word of God?
    2 Timothy 4:10 (The cloke that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, but especially the parchments)

    4- Is this Verse written by Mathew?
    Matthew 9:9 (And as Jesus passed forth from thence, he saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and he saith unto him, Follow me. And he arose, and followed him)

    5- Do you believe that what is told in this verse is a divine moral? And would you like to be a harlot to go to the kingdom of God
    Matthew 21:31 (Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.)

    6- Jesus said:
    Mark 7:27 (But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.)
    The Children are sons of Israel and the dogs are the others like you and me, do you believe that this is a Godly justice or just a Jewish racism.
    And do you know what should your answer be?
    And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children's crumbs.
    Do you agree with your bible, are you a dog do you accept eating from under the crumbs under the table of the Jews?

    7- In the Old Testament it’s told:
    Isaiah 9:6 (For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.)
    And Jesus said:
    Mathew 10:34 (Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.)
    Luke 22:36 (Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.)
    This is not symbolic he means a real sword and here is the prove:
    Luke 22:38 (And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.)
    Luke 14:26 (If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.)
    Is this a prince of peace?
    Do you hate all those people mentioned up there? can you hate them? is this the way to the Kingdom of God.
    I command you the true way of God which is Islam the word Islam is derived from the Arabic word Salam which means Peace.

    and finally i salute you be the Islamic greeting.
    Peace be upon you and God's mercy and blessings

    Note you can refer also to the book of sheikh Deedat (100 question without answer)
    or to the Book"البهاريز فى الكلام اللى يغيظ" For Mr. Alaa Abo bakr which you can find here in the forums library.
    God help and reward you.



    excellent , brother....I wish to be rewarded for your help.

    but i have some comments :
    1st one:
    The Bible says: Romans 10:17 (faith comes from hearing the message and the message is heard through the word of Christ).
    So all your beliefs must be said by Jesus Christ, not Paul, Peter, Mark and Mathew

    he believe that jesus spoke to them and he deliver his words to us through them..... i was arguing with him about Paul and he strongly believe that jesus spoke to paul.

    2 nd
    Where did Jesus spoke about him having human and divine nature, or said I’m God or Worship me


    BUT i have asked him that before and he prceed in a very stupid arguement.


    3rd
    Do you believe that what is told in this verse is a divine moral? And would you like to be a harlot to go to the kingdom of God
    Matthew 21:31 (Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots [COLOR="red"]go into the kingdom of God before you


    BUT i like to ask you can he explain it that he mean that forgiveness will include all even harlots???????

    This is not symbolic he means a real sword and here is the prove:
    Luke 22:38 (And they said, Lord, behold, here are

    two swords
    . And he said unto them, It is enough


    this is a new information for me



    Really excellent work
    please keep on sharing us in our dialogue with this American man
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    يا أختى مال الدين الاسلامى بما تفعل الحكومة المصرية.
    هل الحكومة المصرية ملتزمة بالشريعة الاسلامية؟ بالطبع لا
    هل يعلم ما هى قوانيين بناء المساجد فى مصر؟ و ما هى الشروط التى تقيدها؟
    هل يعلم كيف تستولى الكنائس على أراضى الدولة بإعتراف مسجل فيديو للبابا سنودة هيربس؟
    ما علاقة الدين بالدول - هل يمكن أن نحاسب المسيحية على من يفجرون مستشفيات الاجهاض فى أمريكا أم على من يقتلون الشواذ أم على جورج بوش عندما قال أن حربه صليبية أم على مدير شركة بلاك ووتر الذى قال أنه محارب صليبى غرضه تخليص العالم من المسلمين أم على هيتلر الذى قال أن ما يفعله نابع من إيمانه كمسيحى ام على الحروب الصيبية. كل هذا لا يحسب على الاديان بل ما يحسب على الاديان هو تعاليم هذه الاديان.
    و لا تحولى أن تتشتتى معه فهو يحاول التهرب و تشتيت الموضوع. إرسلى إليه الاسئلة و طالبيه بالرد ثم ردى على الايميل الثانى إن أردتى
    موفق بإذن الله ... لك مني أجمل تحية .



    الله ينور عليك
    انا برضو قلت كده انه عاوز يشتت الموضوع
    اقتراحك موفق بعون الله
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    anyway i am waiting more suggestions about 10 best questions to be sent to him



    wish to get more and more
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    السلام عليك و رحمة الله و بركاته.
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    he believe that jesus spoke to them and he deliver his words to us through them..... i was arguing with him about Paul and he strongly believe that Jesus spoke to Paul
    .
    No he can’t believe it that way, because Jesus said:
    [John 18:20 I have spoken openly to the world," Jesus replied. "I always taught in synagogues or at the temple, where all the Jews come together. I said nothing in secret.
    Nothing in secret but openly to the world not ot Paul or Mark or Mathew or Peter, but to the world in the synagogues.
    And he said the beleife must be from his word.
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    BUT i have asked him that before and he prceed in a very stupid arguement
    .
    Ask him to give you the quotation from the words of Jesus not just silly long discourse, as we said that the believe is from his words.
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    BUT i like to ask you can he explain it that he mean that forgiveness will include all even harlots
    ???????
    No the verse is clear (before you) he didn’t say (even them go to the kingdom) but they go first.
    By the way from the beginning I had doubt in something, but now I’m almost sure, this man is from the “Aqbat Al Mahgar”.
    Because his phrases construction is affected by arabic.
    نقره لتكبير أو تصغير الصورة ونقرتين لعرض الصورة في صفحة مستقلة بحجمها الطبيعي

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