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12Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned--13for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.…
Romans 5: 12-13
No Shadow here rather literal sin
AS for Isaiah 53 I already answered it and proved it does not prophecise anything about the torture of jesus rather it was a manipulation by the writers of the King james bible by separating between Isaiah 52 and 53 to remove it from its context. I am not going to repost answers which I have already answered
I trust the Bible first, because the story originated there originally just like the virgin birth of Jesus. The Quran tries to improve on it, but it is rejected by those that know first to the Jew and then the Christian. Just logic alone tells me to trust the first source of a story and not someone trying to improve on it.
Jews don't accept that we have inherited sin from Adam but neither do Christians. This is Muslim interpretation of the Bible. Basically, the Bible states that we have receive a sinful nature from our father Adam, but through the last Adam Jesus, we can receive a righteous nature.
We all obviously have a propensity toward sin. It is very simple. Satan is still up to the same tricks and deceptions. He wants to get you to believe that you will not surely die in your sin if you don't receive Christ your only hope of glory. We as Christians can see that many fall for this lie.
Jesus said board and wide is the gate that leads to destruction and many go therein. He said, "You will die in your sin unless you believe I am He and No one comes to the father except through me."
You will have no one to blame on judgment day when you find yourselves left in outer darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. These are not my words they are Jesus' words.
You are going against someone you claim is your prophet as well. I recognize Jesus but not a stranger. Jesus said, "My sheep hear my voice and follow." You do not hear His voice; therefore, you do not follow.
You and I both dance to the beat of a different drummer. For some of us, only the judgment will tell us apart on the last day. May God have mercy on our souls.
FYI, we are not free from sin as long as we believe Jesus died for our sin. We must repent and Jesus is the only one who can give us the strength to do it by God's grace and our faith. He is the author and finisher of our faith who puts in us the will to do according to His good pleasure. We depend only on God.
You depend on the arm of the flesh and you are not sure of your eternal destination but we are, because we have been sealed with a price of Jesus's blood like the children of Israel were with the lamb's blood on the door posts of their door during Passover.
Those who don't have Jesus as their Savior, on judgment day, the death angel who claims for hell will not pass over them, but he will take them to eternal damnation forever apart from God and all His plan. Jesus said it. "You will die in your sin unless you believe I am He." I believe Jesus is my Savior and you don't.
You will have to tell Jesus on judgment day that you didn't believe this, because the Bible was corrupted, and Jesus will tell you, but I sent you my witnesses telling you to trust my words in the Bible. Why didn't you listen or heed? I am waiting for your response now or in the hereafter. May you come to the knowledge of truth sincerely.
First yes the bible do picture that eve was first to be deceived but the magnitude of the blame falls mostly on her not Adam as I have shown in previous responses
Second the so called improvements you accused the quran of also applies to the New testament one example : it is only in the new testament not the OT which states that the serpent was satan, it is only on the NT that Adam transmitted this sin.
As for inheritting the sin in christianity , again you are ignoring paul's words and the passages he wrote :
12Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned--13for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law
Romans 5: 12-13
As for inheritting the sin in christianity and my ignoring Paul's words doesn't exist. The passages he wrote needs to be read carefully:
12Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned--13for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law Romans 5: 12-13
This is not saying we inherited Adam's sin. It says we have our own sin. Sin is like a cancer that spreads. It is like someone having a sickness that someone gets. God made life that way. Have you ever caught someone else's cold? Do you blame God for the way He made life and death? Just as sin and death has spread to all men so righteousness through Christ, but we have to meet God on His terms to access it like the children of Israel did during the Passover. They put the blood of the lamb on their door post and so we must put the blood of Christ on our souls or death will claim us for eternity! It is your choice to believe truth or lie. You are free to choose but not from the consequences of your choices.
This section is what actually has a response
First you said :
Yes, it does appear that Eve received most of the blame to me as well
And thats my point
Then you said :
This is not saying we inherited Adam's sin. It says we have our own sinSo sin is not inheritted
Then you say this :
Sin is like a cancer that spreadsOk so it spreads as Paul said and as have I said
Then you clarify more by contradicting your first statement :
It is like someone having a sickness that someone gets. God made life that way. Have you ever caught someone else's cold?So it is spread to us and we caught it from someone else (our father Adam according to paul) !!!
we caught something from our father and it spreads throughout generations = inheritting something from our father
IT IS THE SAME DEFINITION
Two statements which contradict each other :
1.This is not saying we inherited Adam's sin. It says we have our own sin2.
Sin is like a cancer that spreads. It is like someone having a sickness that someone gets. God made life that waySo How in the world do we have our own sins if the orginal sin spreads from one generation to another ????
We don't inherit someone's cold as you said, and we don't inherit sin as you say I am saying, but we have received a sinful nature that is NOT sin in itself; it is a propensity to sin that is in all human nature, and when we do sin, it is our sin not Adam's sin. You are responsible for your thoughts, words and actions not Adam's!!! It is written, "For all have sinned and come short of God's glory. The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through (and only through) Jesus." You have counted yourself unworthy of this gift of God, and that is your choice. End of story.
Your statement is contradictory
since you said we do not inherit but it spreads across generations caught from the older generations is that not actually inheritance ????!!!!!
Here is the christian interpritation of the passage :
5:12-14 The design of what follows is plain. It is to exalt our views respecting the blessings Christ has procured for us, by comparing them with the evil which followed upon the fall of our first father; and by showing that these blessings not only extend to the removal of these evils, but far beyond. Adam sinning, his nature became guilty and corrupted, and so came to his children. Thus in him all have sinned. And death is by sin; for death is the wages of sin. Then entered all that misery which is the due desert of sin; temporal, spiritual, eternal death. If Adam had not sinned, he had not died; but a sentence of death was passed, as upon a criminal; it passed through all men, as an infectious disease that none escape. In proof of our union with Adam, and our part in his first transgression, observe, that sin prevailed in the world, for many ages before the giving of the law by Moses. And death reigned in that long time, not only over adults who wilfully sinned, but also over multitudes of infants, which shows that they had fallen in Adam under condemnation, and that the sin of Adam extended to all his posterity. He was a figure or type of Him that was to come as Surety of a new covenant, for all who are related to Him
Source:Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
I think this speeks for itself
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