Okay, you have made it clear that the Quran states the torah is corrupted, but we don't base our salvation on what is considered to be a common source for both the Muslim and the Christian. If their are any distortions in the torah it affects the Jew first, then the Christian and the Muslim, but I don't believe there are distortions. I believe it is a fabrication to say so; therefore, this point is moot. There is nothing saying that the central message of the gospel is corrupted nor is there proof. So your point is moot.
False by default . It doesn't affect us if the people of the book altered the message . Islam states that these people were entrusted with their books and they failed at that and thus there's no room for you to say Allah - exalted he is - couldn't preserve the message . It happened with his knowledge .
And again , believing the Bible is corrupted differs from discussing the evidence for it .
This means nothing. Haven't you heard of oral tradition?
Already addressed and it's still out of question .
Besides some Muslims disagree about that
Their sayings is based on nothing but emotional opinions and ignorance of the numerous sources saying he was illiterate . Pointless .
How have I slandered Islam?
3 seconds memory ?
we don't have to say a Christian shahada; we don't have to mention any messengers with the one and only God like in the second part of the shahada. We will not commit that sin or shirk as you would call it.
Islam doesn't have anything to offer Christianity; in fact, it appears to have imperfectly borrow from Christianity such truths as monotheism, heaven and hell, the virgin birth of Jesus and many other concepts that were written in the Bible first.
And all of that is unrelated to the subject . I told you and I tell you again , you have an issue of throwing whatever negative allegations you have about Islam . You'd probaby do that even if I was talking about quantom physics . That's no method of arguing . That's - and I already explained - red herring , a fallacy used to distract the other side with the biggest possible number of claims after claims .
What have I said that was not truthful?
Every single line .
Why do you have to mention your prophet with Allah to be a Muslim if you believe no one can be associated with Allah?
That's it ! What on Earth is wrong with you !? I told you before that you have until one of us dies to bring me ONE evidence of us associating partners with Allah . In what world is this line associating a partner ?! :
"I testify that there is no deity worth of worship except Allah and that Muhammad is his servant and messenger"
SERVANT AND MESSENGER ! Case closed .
Anyone who says that their prophet is the best of creatures and must have a reverence that surpasses all of God's creation for them and must mention their love for him as an oracle of faith or sees him as the best of humans, this in my opinion is putting a man on a pedestal, and it is, IMHO, a form of man worship,
Well in my honest opinion , your "honest" opinion isn't worth a penny since it's based on ignorance , emotions , and personal preference . And for the record , "U mad" meant "U angry ?" and not "U insane ?" .
When was this sura revealed and what is the context?
Does it need a context ? It's just stating a fact . And the signs mentioning this are numerous that it became a given among us .
69:41 And it is not the word of a poet; little do you believe. 42 Nor the word of a soothsayer; little do you remember. 43 [It is] a revelation from the Lord of the worlds. 44 And if Muhammad had made up about Us some [false] sayings, 45 We would have seized him by the right hand; 46 Then We would have cut from him the aorta.
It's usually muslims demanding this logical evidence of Christianity.. Why is that?
It depends on what you mean by evidence . For example - not you , just an example - we wouldn't believe a message saying that a god exists and doesn't exist . What on Earth is that ?! There are basic self evident facts "Badiihyyat" like that 1+1=2 and that everything caused has a cause . That's one of the standards to know a true message from a false one . Also , keep in mind that aside from Muslims , others don't actually believe you had a true message revealed to you (Again , we believe the message was altered) . How will you convince them ? With love and faith ? That's the point . One needs a reason to believe that you have the right religion . Just stating "Jesus is the truth" won't cut it !
If many muslims don't require the same level of proof for the Quran... But take its truth on faith much as we do
I doubt it . We are convinced with evidence , THEN we hold faith for anything this religion of evidence tells . In short , we are convinced with the fact that there can't be a partner with the creator of the universe , that he's all powerful , all knowledgeable , all wise , and so on . In addition , we're convinced with the fact that the prophet peace upon him was a true messenger . And if we keep going , we won't end this subject soon . The point is , we don't base our belief on blind faith . Are you implying that you do ? Because you said yourself that it is not .
Yes, it is your belief and you accept without question what the Quran claims about Christianity and Judaism. Even when Christians point out that we do not and never have believed that God is one of three.. The Jews never claimed Ezra as the son of God.. If this sura is the word of Allah? Why does it not make it clear that this can only have referred to a small minority of Jews and Christians and not all?
Well , one can argue that all 3 are one is actually another way to say they are three different entities . And I wish I had an English link for the topic of Jews and Ezra but I believe there's a quote in English on this one :
نسف شبهة ( أين قالت اليهود عزير ابن الله؟)
And Quran doesn't state all the Jews said that or all Christians said it and thus there's no point in asking why it didn't mention it's a minority . Also , they are two signs one after another .
5:72 They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah , my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers. 73 They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the third of three." And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment.
And thus it calls anyone who says any of these disbelievers of Islam .
Now you may well say that scholars have interpreted the meaning that it is not meant to be taken literally
No , it is literal . And there's still no issue as you honestly took it wrongly .
I was asking for proof of this claim,
Now hang on a second , where did "faith" go all of a sudden ? Not that I don't believe there is proof for it .
Allah knows best .