I can't believe we're actually having such a conversation !
My questions were... (In case you're the one with the answers) who corrupted the scriptures? When did this happen? And why it was thought necessary to corrupt them at all?
It's amazing how every single one of you in every single language makes the same argument the same way . Anyway , I'm honestly not an expert in the field so I leave it to those who know better than me . I still believe though that the Bible is indeed corrupted . Why ? Because I believe in Quran which says so . Why ? That's currently unrelated to the subject but I am convinced with evidence after evidence that it is the word of Allah and therefore I believe what it says .
None of the Suras above are an indictment on all, but "some". In fact.. the context seems to be dealing with those who live near Mohammad and who he came into contact with. So, their misinterpretation or reinterpretation of the scriptures caused them to create lies and make deceit for a price.. Maybe for their own agenda. This couldn't happen if they didn't have the uncorrupted text by which to misinterpret or reinterpret in the first place.. There is nothing to suppose that the original uncorrupted text is still in the hands of the Jews who valued and protected it as the word of God. Seeing as the words of God cannot be changed why would you make the charge against God that God in fact cannot protect His word and would allow it to be changed by His creation? If you cannot trust that God could keep His word safe in the Bible then how can you trust God will keep His word for the Quran. IMHO this does not support a charge of whole scale corruption. If Mohammed judged by the Torah to the Jews of his time.. Why would he have done this if he knew the Torah was corrupted. Because if one believes that just one small part is corrupted... And without definitive proof what exactly was changed then there is no option other than to discard the whole work. Without proof you cannot know what was changed by whom and for why.
Such statements are ridiculous it isn't funny anymore . If you don't see the crystal clear signs saying that the Bible is corrupted .... well , there is nothing I can really say to describe it .
Even if you misinterpret a sign and say it's not clear , a sign after another and narrations to the prophet don't leave any room for it . What makes me say it's ridiculous isn't that we're arguing if the Bible was corrupted or not , it's that you want us to go by the farce that Islam doesn't say it was ! How in the world can you claim this sign and the following narration don't say the people of the book - Jews and Christians - didn't corrupt their books ?!
2:79 So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allah ," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.
Ibn `Abbas said, "O Muslims? How do you ask the people of the Scriptures, though your Book (i.e. the Qur'an) which was revealed to His Prophet is the most recent information from Allah and you recite it, the Book that has not been distorted? Allah has revealed to you that the people of the scriptures have changed with their own hands what was revealed to them and they have said (as regards their changed Scriptures): This is from Allah, in order to get some worldly benefit thereby." Ibn `Abbas added: "Isn't the knowledge revealed to you sufficient to prevent you from asking them? By Allah I have never seen any one of them asking (Muslims) about what has been revealed to you."
And no , corrupting the books wasn't because Allah isn't able to protect them . It's because they were intrusted to its people and they were not up to it . As for Quran , Allah protects it himself and that's why it is a part of the doctrine to believe that Quran can never and at any circumantes be corrupted . That's how we believe in Islam . Discussing if it's true or not is a whole different topic .
I don't believe your prophet Mohammed ever did believe in the wide scale biblical corruption that muslims today make such a big deal about.
Then with all honesty , keep that belief to yourself . Otherwise , you'll be arguing about a basic belief in Islam that every Muslim should know . And if you try to force your opinion on OUR scriptures and explain them in such acrobatic ways , that would be a complete joke .
There are errors and contradictions in the Quran if it claims to follow from the previous scriptures.
For the gazillion time , the Injeel wich we believe in isn't the Bible you know . Discussing if this belief of ours is true or not is a completely different subject .
Just for your information.. The Bible is not the true word of Allah it is the inspired word of YHWH.. God of the Bible and all the Prophets... And Jesus is the Truth, the Way and the Life.
....................... Wut ?
Muhammad never said the Bible was corrupted;
This . is the MOST RIDICULOUS line I read this day ! Call me rude or whatever you want . When you think you can teach me my own belief and force your opinion about it while you know nothing except the slanders you are taught , it is a huge farce !
The Quran could be speaking of Uthman corrupting the Quran after he destroyed the original Qurans.
I can say for sure that you have no damn idea what you're talking about . You don't have the slightest clure about how Muslims define true narrations from fabricated or weak ones , that , or either you see a true narration and make an acrobatic explanation of it to come out with a conclusion that doesn't even exist ! If you know Arabic , read the following and ponder about your ignorance of the subject !
and I think Uthman distorted Muhammad's Quran
It isn't "Muhammad - peace upon him's - Quran" , it is the word of the almighty . And that belief of your is so ridiculous that it's sad .
I'm being rude and offensive here ? Well when you have a headache and someone thinks you should belief this and not belief this in the main pillars of belief of your religion , you are definitely to get frustrated !