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    You can feel differences between two things by comparison. We all know that what human does is always is imperfect and lacks accuracy. The consequences are hazardous when man tries to re-do or revive what Allah Almighty had done. The same thing is exactly right for the Bible. Myriad misunderstandings and misinterpretations in the Bible, of course human being is very incapable to handle such a work, writing a book of religion, That is what we get when we had lousy editors and writers who had never seen Jesus in their whole lives. Since human being is known for being in-accurate and incompetence for hard works (like making a huge book), the result is book full of contradictions. Christians can change the meanings and satisfy themselves, but still the verses contradict each other at the first reading in addition to their meanings. New International Version Jeremiah 8:8 "'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?
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    62 Contradictions


    Old and New Testaments


    1. There were giants before the Flood. Gen.6:4.
    All, except Noah and his family, were destroyed in the Flood. Gen.7:21-23; 2 Pet.2:5.
    There were giants after the Flood. Num.13:33.

    2. It is wrong to lend money with interest. Lev.25:36, 37; Ex.22:25; Deut.23:19, 20; Ezek.22:12; Neh.5:7,10.
    It is wrong to lend money without interest. Mt.25:27; Lk.19:23-27.

    3. 24,000 died in the plague. Num.25:9.
    23,000 died in the plague. 1 Cor.10:8.

    4. God blesses the wine. Gen.27:27,28; Deut.7:13.
    God gives wine to gladden the heart. Ps.104:14,15.
    Jesus' first miracle was turning water into wine. Jn.2:1-11.
    It is good to refrain from drinking wine. Rom.14:21.

    5. The fathers of the twelve tribes are listed. Gen.49:2-28.
    Twelve different fathers are listed. Rev.7:4-8.

    6. An eye for an eye, etc. Ex.21:23-25; Lev.24:20; Deut.19:21.
    Turn the other cheek. Mt.5:38-40; Lk.6:27-29.

    7. Arphaxad was the father of Salah. Gen.11:12.
    Arphaxad was the grandfather of Salah. Lk.3:35,36.

    8. The circumcision covenant was forever. Gen.17:10-13.
    The circumcision covenant was of no importance. Gal.6:15.

    9. God made Solomon the wisest king that ever lived, stating there would never be another like him. 1 Ki.3:12.
    Jesus said that he was greater than Solomon. Mt.12:42; Lk.11:31.

    10. Ahimalech was the high priest when David ate the shewbread. 1 Sam.21:1-6.
    Abiathar was the high priest when David ate the shewbread. Mk.2:26.

    11. Lot committed incest with his two daughters. Gen.19:30-38.
    Lot was a righteous man. 2 Pet.2:7,8.

    12. God promises Abraham the land of Canaan. Gen.17:8.
    Abraham died without gaining the promise. Acts 7:2-5; Heb.11:8,13.

    13. God tempts. Gen.22:1.
    Satan tempts. 1 Cor.7:5.
    God allows temptation. Job 1:8-12; Job 2:3-7.
    God tempts no one. Jms.1:13.
    Everything happens by chance. Ecc.9:11,12.

    14. Noah was righteous. Gen.7:1.
    Job was righteous. Job 1:1,8; Job 2:3.
    Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous. Lk.1:5,6.
    Some men are righteous. Jms.5:16; 1 Jn.3:7.
    No one is righteous. Rom.3:10,23; 1 Jn.1:8-10.

    15. The law was given directly to Moses. Deut.10:1-5.
    The law was given through angels. Gal.3:19.

    16. Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac. Gen.16:15; Gen.21:1,3,9; Gal.4:22.
    Abraham had several other sons. Gen.25:1,2.
    Abraham had only one son. Heb.11:17.

    17. Jacob was buried in a cave at Machpelah bought from Ephron the Hittite. Gen.50:13.
    Jacob was buried in a sepulchre at Sychem bought from the sons of Hamor. Acts 7:15,16.

    18. God approves the making of vows. Num.30:1,2.
    Jesus forbids the making of vows. Mt.5:33-37.
    "God" and "Jesus" are one in the same. Jn.10:30.

    19. Some castrates will receive special rewards. Is.56:4,5.
    Men are encouraged to consider making themselves castrates. Mt.19:12.
    A castrate can not enter the assembly of God. Deut.23:1.

    20. A man can divorce his wife for any reason and both can remarry. Deut.24:1,2.
    Divorce is wrong and remarriage is adultery. Mk.10:11,12.
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    20. A man can divorce his wife for any reason and both can remarry. Deut.24:1,2.
    Divorce is wrong and remarriage is adultery. Mk.10:11,12.

    21. Adam sinned, therefore all men are condemned to death. Rom.5:12,19; 1 Cor.15:22.
    Children are not to suffer for their parent's sins. Deut.24:16; 2 Ki.14:6; 2 Chr.25:4; Ezek.18:20.

    22. God is vengeful. Gen.4:15; Deut.32:35; Ezek.25:14-17; Nah.1:2; Rom.12:19; Heb.10:30.
    God is a warrior. Ex.15:3; Is.42:13; Ps.24:8.
    God is a consuming fire. Deut.4:24; Deut.9:3; Heb.12:29.
    God is jealous. Ex.20:5; Ex.34:14; Deut.4:24; Deut.5:9; Deut.6:15; Deut.29:20; Deut.32:21.
    God murders and kills. Num.31:7,17; Deut.20:16,17; Josh.10:40; Jud.14:19; Ezek.9:5,6; Num.11:33.
    God is angry. Num.32:14; Num.25:3,4; Deut.6:15; Deut.9:7,8; Deut.29:20; Deut.32:21; Ps.7:11; Ps.78:49; Jer.4:8; Jer.17:4; Jer.32:30,31; Zeph.2:2; 2 Sam.22:8,9; Ezek.6:12.
    God is love and peace. 2 Cor.13:11,14; 1 Jn.4:8,16; Rom.15:33.
    God's spirit inspires love, peace, etc. Gal.5:22,23.
    God never changes. Mal.3:6.

    23. Elijah went up to heaven. 2 Ki.2:11.
    A man, known to Paul, went up to heaven. 2 Cor.12:2-4.
    Enoch went "to heaven". Gen.5:24; Heb.11:5.
    Only "Jesus" ever went up to heaven. Jn.3:13.

    24. God does not change his mind. Numb.23:19; Is.40:8; Jms.1:17.
    God does change his mind. Gen.6:6,7; Ex.32:14; Num.14:20; 1 Sam.15:35; 2 Sam.24:16.

    25. Abraham saw God. Gen.12:7; Gen.17:1; Gen.26:2.
    Isaac saw God. Ge. 26:1-3.
    Jacob saw God. Gen.32:30.
    Moses saw God. Ex.3:16; Ex.33:11.
    Job saw God. Job 42:5.
    Amos saw God. Amos 7: 7.
    Many saw God. Ex.24:9-11.
    No man can see God and live. Ex.33:20; Jn.1:18; 1 Jn.4:12.

    26. The Israelites are instructed to mark their houses so that God will know to bypass them. Ex.12:13.
    God knows all things at all times. Prov.15: 3; Jer.16:17; Jer.23:24; Heb.4:13.
    God confused the language at Babel. Gen.11:9.
    God is not the author of confusion. 1 Cor.14:33.

    27. It was impossible for God and Judah together to defeat the enemy. Jud.1:19.
    Nothing is impossible for God. Lk.1:37.

    28. It is wrong to be able to tell good from evil. Gen.2:17.
    Only a mature person is able to tell good from evil. Heb.5:13,14.

    29. God prohibits killing. Ex.20:13; Deut.5:17; Mk.10:19; Lk.18:20; Rom.13:9; Jms.2:11.
    God orders killing. Ex.32:27; Deut.7:2; Deut.13:9,15; Deut.20:17; Josh. 10:40; 2 Ki.19:35; Ezek. 9:4-6.

    30. Sacrifices were to take away sin. Num.15:24-28.
    "Jesus" sacrifice took away sins. Heb.10:12; Heb.9:26-28.
    Sacrifices never take away sin. Heb.10:11.

    31. God is sometimes angry. Deut.6:15; Deut.9:7,8; Deut.29:20; Deut.32:22.
    Anger is a sin. Mt.5:22.

    32. "God" destroys his enemies. Deut.7:9,10.
    "Jesus" said to love your enemies. Mt.5:44,45.

    33. God shows no mercy to some. Ex.4:21; Josh.11:20.
    God is merciful to all. Deut.4:31; Lk.6:36; Jms.5:11.

    34. God decides who will be deaf, dumb, and blind. Ex.4:11.
    God is no respecter of persons. 2 Sam.14:14; 2 Chr.19:7; Acts 10:34; Rom.2:11.

    35. Satan deceives. Rev.12:9.
    God deceives. Ezek.14:9; 2 Thess.2:11.

    36. God cannot lie and hates lying. Prov.12:22; Heb.6:18.
    God condones lying. 1 Ki.22:22,23; 2 Chr.18:21,22.

    37. The Spirit of God is truth. Jn.14:17; Jn.15:26; Jn.16:13; 1 Jn.4:6; 1 Jn.5:6.
    The Spirit of God is a lying or evil spirit. 1 Sam.16:14-16,23; 1 Sam.18:10; 1 Sam.19:9; 1 Ki.22:22,23; 2 Chr.18:21,22.

    38. God dwells in thick darkness. 1 Ki.8:12; 2 Chr.6:1; Ps.18:11.
    God dwells in unapproachable light. 1 Ti.6:16.

    39. The linage was: Joram, Ahaziah, Joash, Amaziah, Asariah, Jotham. 1 Chr.3:11,12.
    The linage was: Joram, Ozias, Joatham, etc. Mt.1:8,9.

    40. The righteous are "persecuted" while the wicked are "blessed". Job 2:3-6; Job 21:7-15; 2 Ti.3:12.
    The righteous are "blessed" while the wicked are "destroyed". Ps.55:23; Ps.92:12-14; Prov.10:2,3,27-32; Prov.12:2,21.
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    Dis : " Lui, Dieu, est Un ! * Dieu est le Soutien universel ! * Il n'engendre pas et Il n'est pas engendré, * et Il n'a pas d'égal. "


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    41. God told David to build a "house" for him. 2 Sam.7:4-6.
    God told David not to build a "house" for him. 1 Chr.22:8; 1 Chr.28:2,3.
    God said the David's son should build a "house" for him. 1 Ki.8:19; 1 Chr.22:9,10; Acts 7:47.
    God said that he does not dwell in places made with hands. Acts 7:48; Acts 17:24.

    42. God's anger does not last forever. Ps.30:5; Jer.3:12; Mic.7:18.
    God's anger does last forever. Jer.17:4; Mt.25:46.

    43. The earth was established forever. Ps.78:69; Ecc.1:4.
    The earth will someday perish. Ps.102:25,26; Mt.24:35; Mk.13:31; Lk.21:33; Heb.1:10,11; 2 Pet.3:10.

    44. Wisdom makes a man happy. Prov.3:13.
    Seek wisdom. Prov.4:7; Prov.19:8.
    God gives wisdom. Jms.1:5.
    Wisdom is foolishness. 1 Cor.1:19,20; 1 Cor.3:18-20.

    45. The godly obtain favor from God. Prov.12:2; Rom.8:28.
    The godly will be persecuted and scourged. 2 Tim.3:12; Heb.12:6.

    46. It is wise to understand your future direction. Prov.14:8.
    Take no thought for tomorrow. God will take care of you. Mt.6:25-34.

    47. Do not answer a fool, otherwise you become foolish, too. Prov.26:4.
    Answer a fool; otherwise, he will think himself wise. Prov.26:5.

    48. God's word is true. Prov.30:5.
    God deceives. Jer.20:7; Ezek.14:9; 2 Thess.2:11,12.

    49. God made the wicked to be destroyed. Prov.16:4.
    God deceives the wicked so they will be destroyed. 2 Thes.2:11,12.
    God wants all to be saved. 1 Tim.2:3,4; 2 Pet.3:9.

    50. The fear of God keeps men from evil. Prov.8:13; Prov.16:6.
    Fear came on those baptized. Acts 2:41-43.
    Cast out all fear because fear is torment. 1 Jn.4:18.

    51. The simple believe everything, but a wise man looks carefully. Prov.14:15.
    Believe as little children; otherwise, you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. Mt.18:3; Lk.18:17.

    52. God alone created heaven and earth. Is.44:24.
    He had help. Jn.1:1-4.

    53. Some sow wheat but reap thorns. Jer.12:13.
    Some will sow but never reap anything. Mic.6:15.
    Some will never sow but will still reap. Mt.25:26; Lk.19:22.

    54. The law was not good. Ezek.20:25.
    The law was good. Rom.7:12; 1 Tim.1:8.

    55. Two dead persons were raised by Jesus. Mt.9:18-25; Jn.11:38-44.
    Dead children were raised before the time of Jesus. 1 Ki. 17:17-23; 2 Ki.4:32-37.
    Jesus was the first to be raised from the dead. Acts 26:23.

    56. The law distinguishes between clean and unclean foods. Lev.10 and 11; Deut.14.
    Paul says that all foods are clean. 1 Tim.4: 1-4.
    A "heavenly voice" told Peter the same thing. Acts 11: 6-9.
    Jesus states that there is no such distinction. Mk.7:14,15.
    Jesus also states the permanence of the law. Mt.5:17-19; Lk.16:17.

    57. The chief priest rends his clothes at Jesus' trial. Mt.26:65; Mk.14:63.
    The chief priest is not to rend his clothes. Lev.21:10.

    58. Do not covet anything. Ex.20:17.
    Seek another's wealth. 1 Cor.10:24.

    59. David was a begotten son. Ps.2:7.
    Jesus was the only begotten son. Jn.1:17,18.

    60. Jesus was to be buried with others. Is. 53:9. (This is often quoted as referring to Jesus.)
    Jesus was buried alone. Mt.27:58-60; Mk.15:45,46; Lk.23:52,53; Jn.19:40-42.

    61. Jesus lists "defraud not" as one of the commandments. Mk.10:19.
    There is no such commandment. Ex.20:3-17.

    62. God shows no injustice or partiality. 2 Chr.19:7; Acts 10:34; Rom.2:11.
    God shows mercy or hardens whom he chooses. Ex. 33:19; Rom.9:15,18.
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    You can feel differences between two things by comparison. We all know that what human does is always is imperfect and lacks accuracy. The consequences are hazardous when man tries to re-do or revive what Allah Almighty had done. The same thing is exactly right for the Bible. Myriad misunderstandings and misinterpretations in the Bible, of course human being is very incapable to handle such a work, writing a book of religion, That is what we get when we had lousy editors and writers who had never seen Jesus in their whole lives. Since human being is known for being in-accurate and incompetence for hard works (like making a huge book), the result is book full of contradictions. Christians can change the meanings and satisfy themselves, but still the verses contradict each other at the first reading in addition to their meanings. New International Version Jeremiah 8:8 "'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?
    To say I am disappointed by this thread is rather an understatement. How would you feel if I copy and pasted a list of the contradictions found in the Quran? Oh wait... Of course if I made such a post it would likely not be posted on open forum but consigned instead to the moderators cutting room floor. Because freedom of speech I see does not cut both ways here. Your list of "supposed contradictions" are not worthy of note and so I will not respond. It beggars belief that you use Jeremiah 8:8 the old favourite example misused by muslims in order to claim the Bible has been changed. It saddens me that you cannot even be bothered to take the time to understand what Jeremiah 8:8 actually refers to, so eager are you to see at first glance it appears to offer you the proof you so desperately seek... For what reason I fail to understand.. And if I live to be a hundred I doubt I will ever understand the muslims constant need to tear down the previous scriptures... May hap you could tell me, then I can one day die happy mystery solved.. I offer an explanation on Jeremiah 8:8 and I hope you will take the time to read it.. As you took the time to copy and paste your "contradictions" or if you read them up yourself .. Even more time.....

    ■ Jeremiah 8:8: Is the Bible corrupted?


    Many Muslims claim that the Bible is corrupted and some refer to the following verse:


    "'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the Lord," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely? (Jeremiah 8:8)


    1. Wise men who are not so wise
    "We are wise” is connected with educated people, the learned elite, who made their own explanation of the written Law of Moses instead of following the written Law of Moses in the book Deuteronomy. The wise people who are not so wise had therefore a false possession of their interpretation of the Law of Moses [1]. Jeremiah is addressing the priests and false prophets. He accused them many times that they were destroying the country with their actions (Jeremiah 2:8, 26; Jeremiah 4:9; Jeremiah 5:31; Jeremiah 8:10).


    2. False interpretation of the Scriptures
    "The lying pen of the scribes" refers to the writers who tried to describe the Law of Moses in international acceptable wisdom. In fact the scribes tried to change the faith in the Most High into a human tradition [2]. “Scribes” is in Hebrew Soferim, it are all those who practiced the art of writing. They are therefore, if not all, of the priests and false prophets of whom Jeremiah speaks. The interpreters of the Scriptures called scribes have, by their false comments and inferences, made the Scriptures, including the Law of Moses into a lie, so that it has ceased to represent the divine will and teaching [3].
    Next verse, Jeremiah 8:9 shows that the wise men will be very ashamed.
    The contrast is between the written and oral Law of Moses. The oral explanation of the Law of Moses was done by scribes and educated and intelligent men, who changed the written Law of Moses according to the book Deuteronomy. Jeremiah attacks the false wisdom [4].


    3. Conclusion
    After a review of the Gospel verse the conclusion can be drawn that Jeremiah 8:8 does not say that the Bible was corrupted, but that false written commentaries were distributed about the Scriptures. The prophet Jeremiah warned not to follow false teachings.

    http://www.ibnzura.com/answer.php?la...ble_corrupted?

    in fact if you read further into Jeremiah you will gain greater understanding of what this text means... But that is only if you wish to know in truth, if it suits you to wilfully misquote and misrepresent bible verses in such ways then of course you are free to do so. I don't know why.. I thought you were a better person than this.

    May God bless you.

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    Do not worry you have the same freedom of speech we have. And for your information we have a forum here under the name (Slanders Refutation), and we are answering all the slanders and mis-conceptions around our religion Islam. Prais be to Allah.



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    How would you feel if I copy and pasted a list of the contradictions found in the Quran? Oh wait... Of course if I made such a post it would likely not be posted on open forum but consigned instead to the moderators cutting room floor. Because freedom of speech I see does not cut both ways here.
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    If we say that I "misunderstood" the Jeremiah 8:8 and there are different interpretations of this verse. But what about other verses, that many apparently contradict each other?
    It is very easy to notice the contradiction of the verses, and can not be covered with excuses like (misunderstanding)



    Lot committed incest with his two daughters. Gen.19:30-38.
    Lot was a righteous man. 2 Pet.2:7,8.


    God promises Abraham the land of Canaan. Gen.17:8.
    Abraham died without gaining the promise. Acts 7:2-5; Heb.11:8,13.

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    in fact if you read further into Jeremiah you will gain greater understanding of what this text means... But that is only if you wish to know in truth, if it suits you to wilfully misquote and misrepresent bible verses in such ways then of course you are free to do so. I don't know why.. I thought you were a better person than this.
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    قل هو الله احد * الله الصمد * لم يلد و لم يولد * و لم يكن له كفوا احد
    Dis : " Lui, Dieu, est Un ! * Dieu est le Soutien universel ! * Il n'engendre pas et Il n'est pas engendré, * et Il n'a pas d'égal. "


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    Though both (James and Rom) are of New Testament, but we have a very clear contradiction:

    Are you justified by faith or work:


    "because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight . . . " (Rom. 3:20
    "because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight . . . " (Rom. 3:20)
    "for we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law," (Rom. 3:28)
    "For what does the Scripture say? ‘And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness'" (Rom. 4:3)
    "Therefore, having been justified by faith . . . " (Rom. 5:1)
    "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness" (Rom. 4:5).


    In James it says,
    "You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone," (James 2:24)
    . . . so also faith without works is dead," (James 2:26).
    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
    قل هو الله احد * الله الصمد * لم يلد و لم يولد * و لم يكن له كفوا احد
    Dis : " Lui, Dieu, est Un ! * Dieu est le Soutien universel ! * Il n'engendre pas et Il n'est pas engendré, * et Il n'a pas d'égal. "


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    As we can see not all the contradictions can be solved through interpretations and explanations.


    Peace be upon you.
    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
    قل هو الله احد * الله الصمد * لم يلد و لم يولد * و لم يكن له كفوا احد
    Dis : " Lui, Dieu, est Un ! * Dieu est le Soutien universel ! * Il n'engendre pas et Il n'est pas engendré, * et Il n'a pas d'égal. "


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