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    If you ask most of those who repeat the word (shares add up the estate) from atheists, Christians and others like them about the meaning of the word, you will find their mouth drop open and say: what!

    They are like a doltish pupil at 1st stage of primary school who objects an equation solved by a nuclear Physicist.. This report is directed to anyone who Allah granted him a slight comprehension ability or some of brain or someone has more than these two.. The one who lacks these my report is not for him:-

    - Allah the Almighty has enacted a very excellent system concerning inheritance that made the communist and atheistic country of Russia obliged to adopt it in Personal Status Law, after its talented jurists found it integral and perfect. ..

    - And if there is something amazing is that I am amazed how the falsifiers make use of this as a justification for their being disbelievers, and in fact it is the reason for conversion to be a believer and this is confirmed by the stories of those who converted to Islam after they were stunned by the greatness of Islamic law. .. and more than one of the wise men witness this while they are still unbelievers.
    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
    قل هو الله احد * الله الصمد * لم يلد و لم يولد * و لم يكن له كفوا احد
    Dis : " Lui, Dieu, est Un ! * Dieu est le Soutien universel ! * Il n'engendre pas et Il n'est pas engendré, * et Il n'a pas d'égal. "


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    - And I consider this example as an introduction of the reply:
    If a teacher said to his students: for the hard-working pupil from you I will give half, the average third and the lazy a quarter and if something more remained give it to the poor. . And then said: according to me justice is the basis and this is my reward in every year for the pupils asking for knowledge.. It happened in that year to have one hardworking and two lazy pupils in his course..
    They came to the special cashier table and they found that their teacher had prepared the amount of money and it was 12 thousand dirhams.. the hardworking pupil took 6 thousand, and each one of the two lazy pupils took 3 thousand and everyone found his own way to go thanking Allah and praying for the teacher. The next year an average pupil had joined the course..
    At the moment of distributing the amount of money they came to the special cashier table to claim the money they found the teacher has put 32 thousand dirhams
    The average pupil said:
    Two lazy pupil = 1/2
    Average pupil = 1/3
    Hardworking pupil =1 / 2
    And the total is = 3 / 4 = 1.3333 !
    Here one of the two stupid pupils said: then the teacher made a mistake! The average pupil said to him: No, you stupid!.. Do you think that the teacher did not know there are conditions in which the total of the shares would add up and be more than the available amount?
    Rather than this he put a general law and stated that justice is the basis..
    The average pupil turned his head to his brother the hard working pupil saying: what we have to do?
    The hard working pupil said: we have a general basis + justice law which protects the basis. So let’s apply it together..
    The average pupil : How?
    The hardworking student: 1/3 + 1/4 + 1/4 + 1/2 ...
    The total of the shares add up exceeds and they acted according to the ( justice basis) that he stated.
    When the common denominator is 12..
    The portion of the first lazy pupil = 4/12 = 3 shares
    The portion of the second lazy pupil like the first lazy one is 3 shares
    The portion of the average pupil = 3/12 = 4 shares
    The portion of the hard working pupil = 2/12 = 6 shares
    The sum = 3+3+4+6=16
    And because our dear teacher left 32 thousand, so each share worth = 16/32 = 2 (two thousand)
    hence the distribution of the money according to his instructions is like the following:
    Each one of the two lazy pupils has 3 shares, so the portion for each one = 6 thousand dirhams.. and both together = 12 thousand
    And for you average pupil fellow there are 4 shares and your portion = 8 thousand
    And for me the hardworking student 6 shares and my portion according to the teacher’s speech = 12
    The sum is 32 thousand… thanks to Allah
    Here the average pupil said to the lazy pupil: are you still insistent that the teacher is wrong?

    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
    قل هو الله احد * الله الصمد * لم يلد و لم يولد * و لم يكن له كفوا احد
    Dis : " Lui, Dieu, est Un ! * Dieu est le Soutien universel ! * Il n'engendre pas et Il n'est pas engendré, * et Il n'a pas d'égal. "


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    And now I will underline the mistakes within atheists, Christians and their followers from the naturally stupid beings after Allah the Almighty wiped their insights out, and they deserve the statement by Allah the Almighty: “Indeed, those who dispute concerning the signs of Allah without [any] authority having come to them - there is not within their breasts except pride, [the extent of] which they cannot reach.” Ghafir 56.


    1- They do not differentiate between the predicative sentence and attributive sentence:

    - The father said to his children: study.. eat.. drink.. and behave on the basis of what is proper to mind and wisdom.. (This is a attributive sentence means specific orders in general, it is not necessary to include all the conditions in detail by writing them..)

    -Let’s suppose the teacher told them to share out the cake among themselves according to the plan number 1 and if your cousin came then according to plan number 2, if your friend came then according to number 3, and if our neighbour came then according to plan number 4 and he put to each plan an fractions.. etc. after that another formation came out that their father did not mention but he gave them the general standard linked with the principle of justice.. (by the way justice: is not equality to have everyone got the same amount of share as many imagine), is it suitable here to say: Was the father right or wrong: this case or this incident happened it needs a solution according to the mathematical standard the father put which is linked with the principal of securing justice for all – and he initially permitted them to do this- ? This is like a nice puzzle that needs to be solved.. There is a great difference between puzzle and mistake!


    - Now suppose the father said to them: if there is a specific condition demands a merge between the plan number 2 and number 5 so apply it with securing justice..
    Is that speech of him a irrational while this case is considered having the same condition of the add up of shares total happened? Here is the conclusive answer
    And depending on what mentioned we compete, if his speech is actually wrong, this is another arguable subject , otherwise Allah the Almighty’s not stating it in specific is more eloquent and correct than denying mistake in their speech saying that what the father stated is wrong as they allege , .. and everyone who practiced some of mathematics understands this and knows it without any help to make him understand

    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
    قل هو الله احد * الله الصمد * لم يلد و لم يولد * و لم يكن له كفوا احد
    Dis : " Lui, Dieu, est Un ! * Dieu est le Soutien universel ! * Il n'engendre pas et Il n'est pas engendré, * et Il n'a pas d'égal. "


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    2- Something is rather wrong when it contradicts with the informative scientific facts, like saying: if half is collected with a quarter the result is third quarter this is an example and so on

    What many do not know (even Muslims themselves regretfully) :

    They think that Quran and Sunnah<<are supposed>> :
    They did not leave anything in religion without providing full detail about it: but they rather mentioned it in clear terms and mentioned it!!!!!...

    And they forgot that if Allah the Almighty did this and ordered His prophet to do this (i.e. clarifying the details of everything) then :
    He would not have distinguished the scientist from the ignorant!!!..
    And not the seeker of knowledge over the lazy and careless !!!..
    And you would not see all these intellectual activity in the nation of Islam:
    Which is sought after in every century, year and time:
    Tens of minds and comprehensions from scholars, experts, theologians and preachers:
    They vie amongst themselves to conclude the most fair laws and the nearest to Allah’s satisfaction..
    There is a reward for the hardworking .. and the right to be hardworking is rewarded twice!!!..
    And according to this:
    Allah the Almighty has kept (not clearing the details of everything at once): He kept this for the ntion of Islam:
    To have its ingenuity always active and sharp :
    In this way the nation stays away from tameness, reliance and dependence in all of its circumstances and conditions.......
    And we in our practical life:
    We can touch and feel the touch of these senses through the eminent wise men, educators and teachers...
    A sword left in its scabbard without using it, will get damaged
    And other minerals like it will become rusty..
    And thus brains without action : will become slow in thinking and ignorance so to speak!!..
    And the brain becomes less concerned about its religion, discussing it and exploring it in depth from time to time and continuously.
    To Allah is [due all] praise in the first [life] and the Hereafter…



    Last edited by هشيم; 26-09-2013 at 05:33 PM.
    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
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    Dis : " Lui, Dieu, est Un ! * Dieu est le Soutien universel ! * Il n'engendre pas et Il n'est pas engendré, * et Il n'a pas d'égal. "


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    And concerning the second point which I wanted to mention ….

    Those who are slaved by their passions and are depraved (as I am acquainted with all of their groups by experience) their objection is :
    Standing on the way and blocking: the objection is only for the sake of objection!!!!..
    It is objection in the same image of the famous story of (Joha) and his son and donkey!!!!..
    When both of Joha and his son rode the donkey, the people said to them: merciless!!..
    And when Joha and his son come down off from the donkey, the people said: two stupid persons left the donkey useless!!..
    And when Joha rode the donkey and his son walked the people said: he is not kind to his son!!..
    And when the son rode the donkey, the people said the son : is impious!!..
    And when Joha and his son carried the donkey on their shoulders: they said he is insane!!..
    So where is the flaw then ??!!!..

    I say:
    Suppose that Allah has mentioned the share of everyone in the family:
    The son, the daughter, the father, the mother, the grandfather, the grandmother, the brother, the sister, the husband and the wife.. etc.
    In a way that the total sum of all of these will be a true one...

    The question:
    Does a rational person think that in all the inheritance cases: all of these categories exist together in the estate?!
    Every deceased dies: does he die and leave behind each one of these:
    The son, the daughter, the father, the mother, the grandfather, the grandmother, the brother, the sister, and the wife.. etc.
    The answer: Of course no

    And while it is irrational to have all the cases of inheritance together mentioned by Allah the Almighty:

    And the deficit (when the estate is fewer than the shares): will be divided among the heirs under the case of (shares total add up and exceed the estate) - all the heirs together repair the deficit - :
    And also it is irrational to mention all the cases of inheriting together in every condition of inheritance:
    The extra (surplus): will be re-divided among the survivors (in a condition if the division of property was the way I said)..
    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
    قل هو الله احد * الله الصمد * لم يلد و لم يولد * و لم يكن له كفوا احد
    Dis : " Lui, Dieu, est Un ! * Dieu est le Soutien universel ! * Il n'engendre pas et Il n'est pas engendré, * et Il n'a pas d'égal. "


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    And the witness:
    And my dear brother (Abw Alqasm) did well when he pointed to some Non-Muslim countries which need to adopt the Islamic law of inheritance.. and if the Islamic system was not perfect in its own and from its basis: they would not have claimed it and tried to resort it and copy it!!...
    And the communists are not the only ones who started doing this!!..
    But before the Catholic Rome did the same thing in asking: from Azhar in Egypt!!..
    And further more:
    Inheritance is not the only issue that dazzled the Non Muslims with its statute!!..
    But everything in Islam is impressive: only if those atheists explored neutrally and have a true desire to find the truth!..
    The Islamic laws concerning economy and trading .. Islamic statute concerning woman and keeping her from unnecessary mixing with man and being alone with men..
    And so on, all these are adopted by some unbelievers now: in the meanwhile they demand Muslims to quit it (I do have evidences, statistics and international news about these)!!!.. Exalted Allah The Almighty..

    It is time the stubborn and unaware about the issue: to stop talking about something he knows nothing about ….
    To respect his mind and ask questions if did not know?...
    And to be useful when he knew?..
    Thanks to Allah…
    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
    قل هو الله احد * الله الصمد * لم يلد و لم يولد * و لم يكن له كفوا احد
    Dis : " Lui, Dieu, est Un ! * Dieu est le Soutien universel ! * Il n'engendre pas et Il n'est pas engendré, * et Il n'a pas d'égal. "


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    We said that Quran did not mention all the cases.. the possibilities are a lot, but the basis of the functions are referred to as mentioned before

    Previously mentioned (if there is a specific condition demands merging the plan number 2 and number 5 so apply it with securing justice..
    Is that speech of him a irrational while this case is considered having the same condition of the add up of shares total happened? Here is the conclusive answer) if the stubborn objector understood only this, that would had been enough instead of all of this wasted discussion..

    -Newton law is (Hibat Allah Abi Barak preceded him, and he may copied the law from him) the amount of a force exerted on a body is equal to the acceleration of the body multiplied by its mass.. mathematically F=M*A.. but in high speeds near the speed of light the classic Newton equitation will give wrong results, does anyone of the nature scientists say Newton’s law is wrong ? The answer absolutely: No, because the language of science says: for every context there is discussion, and for every frame there is its own attribute that suits it.. and in science language as well the root of (-X) is imaginary number has no existence in outside world, but with the agreement of all of the mathematic scientists
    Y(-X)*Y(-X)=Root of (X^2)=X.. this is a real number that can be represented, what is intended here is that the minor units even none of them exists but when they gather in an equation, in a special way, will result into a correct answer in the mathematical abstract mind without any disagreement among its specialists.
    And yet, the case when the total of the shares adds up the estate (add up) is not like this but it is rather from another type far above Newton equitation which the world acclaim Newton because of it! And other else


    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
    قل هو الله احد * الله الصمد * لم يلد و لم يولد * و لم يكن له كفوا احد
    Dis : " Lui, Dieu, est Un ! * Dieu est le Soutien universel ! * Il n'engendre pas et Il n'est pas engendré, * et Il n'a pas d'égal. "


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    What the objector did not know is the Islamic experts’ source of jurisprudence, which defines the judgments in Islamic law is: The Quran, the Sunnah, consensus and deductive reasoning.. The consensus and deductive reasoning originate from Quran and Sunnah..

    A- The Quran and Sunnah have settled the case of (shares total add up) as the necessity of applying Allah’s law which is giving each one his or her own right as we have in prophet’s (Allah’s blessing and peace be upon him) speech: (allot the ordained quotas (statutory portions) to those who are entitled to receive it (to inherit)) narrated from Ibn Abbas in the Two Corrects and the meaning is: give the ordained quotas (statutory portions) to the entitled ones determined by Allah, the heirs; and the ordained quotas (statutory portions) defined by Allah: half, a quarter, eighth, two thirds, third and one-sixth.. and the word (allot-give-pass, ilhaq) here means what the companions agreed on because what is the factor of obligation becomes obligatory.. And this is a legal rule derived from the Holy Quran and Sunnah

    B- Concerning the Islam experts says Ibn Qadama Al Muqdasi the Great imam the expert scholar: “This is the speech of all the companions and who followed them (May Allah be pleased with them).. till he says: we do not know any disagreement between contemporary experts about (add up of the total amount of shares) case . Praise be to Allah)

    C- So this is the consistent and required standards that Allah legislated, to the Mohammedan nation, to be the source of excogitation- of what is not mentioned in specific- guided by the light of the legal texts themselves not to excogitate with tendencies and desires and mere opinions, and the standards (deductive reasoning) as Islam Shekh Ibn Taymya calls, he quoted it from Allah’s speech “It is Allah who has sent down the Book in truth and [also] the balance.” And deductive reasoning is like scales to balance between the section of occurring case and the fixed origins in the revelation texts… unless this case occurred and the companions gathered, what was supposed to be understood from the legal speech was going to be excogitating all the cases of having add up occurring in them because giving everyone’s right what is due to him without oppressing any one is not easy without saying it then it is legally will be decided on according to the origin of the standard as well, and to make it more clear if someone is indebted to two persons and each one demands him two thousand dinars.. and he does not have only one thousand dinars, they both go to the judge and the judge cannot find any of them more a head than the other one in any point and both in need of the money so he decided five hundreds to this one and another five hundreds to that one


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    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
    قل هو الله احد * الله الصمد * لم يلد و لم يولد * و لم يكن له كفوا احد
    Dis : " Lui, Dieu, est Un ! * Dieu est le Soutien universel ! * Il n'engendre pas et Il n'est pas engendré, * et Il n'a pas d'égal. "


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    - In brief what the allegers want is changing the ordained quotas (statutory portions) but Allah the Almighty fixed six ordained quotas mentioned before..The Cases with inheritance are many

    Unavoidably some of them come together then some will gather as a group like joining of half with two thirds as an example and both are determined by Allah.. like having a husband and two sisters left behind a deceased wife .. Allah the Almighty on purpose gives this one half and the tow females two thirds! In other words He purposely wants it this way “Do they distribute the mercy of your Lord”?? And Allah the Exalted says “Unquestionably, His is the creation and the command” “and He shares not His legislation with anyone." And concerning inheritance He said “Your parents or your children - you know not which of them are nearest to you in benefit. [These shares are] an obligation [imposed] by Allah.”!

    Allah should either follow their desires so to be compatible with what their devils suggest to them and change the ordained quotas (statutory portions) –Allah is the Exalted – or to cancel the family relationship net.. there is no adjuster of Allah’s decision and no repelling to His judgment… “But if the Truth had followed their inclinations, the heavens and the earth and whoever is in them would have been ruined. Rather, We have brought them their message, but they, from their message, are turning away.”

    Allah the Almighty demands to make great efforts to form the wisest statement which we know some of it and most of it is obscure to us… Allah said: “But if they had referred it back to the Messenger or to those of authority among them, then the ones who [can] draw correct conclusions from it” .. and the companions referred this issue back to the experts… and the right and correct one remained right and correct, praise be to Allah
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    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
    قل هو الله احد * الله الصمد * لم يلد و لم يولد * و لم يكن له كفوا احد
    Dis : " Lui, Dieu, est Un ! * Dieu est le Soutien universel ! * Il n'engendre pas et Il n'est pas engendré, * et Il n'a pas d'égal. "


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    The add up case does not contradict Quran like you allege, it is your doubts that knocked you down and carried you down into a remote place as it is your custom in all the cases not only (add up).. It is answered with full detail and no extra addition is needed, the wrong is when a real disagreement happens not a suspicious disagreement.. to say that Holy Quran is contradictory to a fixed scientific truth here we defy you and your leaders to say this.. and please make us happy and stop talking nonsense while you are ignorant of the principals and preferences of inheritance.. It is always known wise men agree to the saying that it is shame to argue about something you are not good at.. This is not for your benefit if you want to be graceful but you rather insist to be disgraceful..
    An example: concerning the inheritance and other cases the Holy Quran mentions general rules either in inheritance or in other issues and did not give the sub details of those subjects, the Sunnah clarified this.. As Allah the Almighty assigned some of it to the Islamic experts to make efforts to affirm the power of His order in wide ranges and this is texted in Quran “then the ones who [can] draw correct conclusions from it would have known about it”.

    And here I give an example about ablution because inheritance is greater than your mind

    Allah the Almighty imposed washing forearms to the elbows , face, wipe over head and wash feet to the ankles..
    And if someone has his hand broken and bandage it with splint set.. if he wiped over it, this is going to be –depending on your wrong understanding- against what expressed in Quran.. and he has to remove the splint and wash his hand while it is infected with wounds and injuries! This example is very close to your amiss speech

    The summary: You atheists when we hear your speeches our mouths will be filled with laughter and we realize the extent of the ignorance you are lost in and we say Allah the Almighty told the fact “And We have certainly created for Hell many of the jinn and mankind. They have hearts with which they do not understand, they have eyes with which they do not see, and they have ears with which they do not hear. Those are like livestock; rather, they are more astray. It is they who are the heedless.”
    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
    قل هو الله احد * الله الصمد * لم يلد و لم يولد * و لم يكن له كفوا احد
    Dis : " Lui, Dieu, est Un ! * Dieu est le Soutien universel ! * Il n'engendre pas et Il n'est pas engendré, * et Il n'a pas d'égal. "


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