A question... Why is a non muslims belief important to you?
A question... Why is a non muslims belief important to you?
QuoteWhat do you find difficult with a triune Godhead? Do you measure God by human characteristics? How do you as a muslim see the nature of God?
Allah in Islam is great
Sahih International: [He is] Creator of the heavens and the earth. He has made for you from yourselves, mates, and among the cattle, mates; He multiplies you thereby. There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the Hearing, the Seeing.
but Allah in Christianity like
animals also
http://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/t193429.html
QuoteThe Trinity as the word..TRINITY..is not mentioned anywhere in the Bible. However there are many instances where the nature of God is described in such a way that makes a triune Godhead obvious.
This is proof that Trinity added after Jesus and there is plenty of evidence that the Trinity of his Gentile
QuoteNever has Mary mother of Jesus was part of the Trinity
Father + son + Holy Spirit + Mary = Trinity
False equivalencies
QuoteWe as humans do not need to
understand God
An agnostic just says so or not understand beliefs like you
Yes the Internet contain evidence that the Trinity of his GentileQuoteNow I could I'm sure find something on the Internet that would offer you proof from a scientific perspective, but I thought the idea here was a dialogue of ones own opinions and a sharing of understanding of our beliefs. Besides you can find that information yourself if you so wished to. Is there another agenda that I am not aware of here?
And disciples of Christ did not complete
And many Christians don't believe Trinity
Past and present Christian faiths who do not believe in the Trinity include:
Arianism (4th century)
Some Radical Reformers (16th century), such as Michael Servetus
Jehovah's Witnesses
Mormonism
Unitarianism
Reasons given for rejecting the doctrine of the Trinity include:
1.To be son is to be less than divine and to be divine is to be no one’s son. How could Jesus have the attributes of sonship and divinity altogether?
2.Christians assert that Jesus claimed to be God when they quote him in John 14:9: "He that has seen me has seen the Father". Didn’t Jesus clearly say that people have never seen God, as it says in John 5:37: "And the father himself which Has sent me, has borne witness of me. You have NEITHER HEARD HIS VOICE AT ANY TIME NOR SEEN HIS SHAPE"?
3.Christians say that Jesus was God because he was called Son of God, Son of Man, Messiah, and "savior". Ezekiel was addressed in the Bible as Son of Man. Jesus spoke of "the peace makers" as Sons of God. Any person who followed the Will and Plan of God was called SON OF GOD in the Jewish tradition and in their language (Genesis 6:2,4; Exodus 4:22; Psalm 2:7; Romans 8:14). "Messiah" which in Hebrew means "God’s anointed" and not "Christ", and "Cyrus" the person is called "Messiah" or "the anointed". As for "savior", in II KINGS 13:5, other individuals were given that title too without being gods. So where is the proof in these terms that Jesus was God when the word son is not exclusively used for him alone?
4.Christians claim that Jesus acknowledged that he and God were one in the sense of nature when he says in John 10:30 "I and my father are one". Later on in John 17:21-23, Jesus refers to his followers and himself and God as one in five places. So why did they give the previous "one" a different meaning from the other five "ones?
5.Is God three-in-one and one in three simultaneously or one at a time?
6.If God is one and three simultaneously, then none of the three could be the complete God. Granting that such was the case, then when Jesus was on earth, he wasn’t a complete God, nor was the "father in Heaven" a whole God. Doesn’t that contradict what Jesus always said about His God and our God in heaven, his Lord and our Lord ? Does that also mean that there was no complete god then, between the claimed crucifixion and the claimed resurrection?
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http://www.ebnmaryam.com/vb/t191613.html
تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين
Barnabas the Apostle knew MohamedQuoteThe disciples never knew Mohammed
The Bible contains many emblems cannot refute
Quote"He will keep My word" Mohammed never kept Jesus's word, but brought his own version.
Sahih International: O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.
QuoteHow would Mohammed bring to their remembrance all things Jesus had said?
The Koran to the Prophet Muhammad told all about Jesus
Because Mohammed and Jesus prophets of Allah
تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين
QuoteDialogue with proof..I find this funny, that I have to prove my religion and yet for a muslim is is ok to just quote the Quran, and that is supposed to be proof enough.
Yes, when you are talking about your faith come to demonstrate because we do not believe in Christianity
First post I asked you to games about Islam but you talked about the Trinity and the crucifixion of Jesus and have not installed
This shows that you don't understand anything in Christianity only you repeat that you are told
If you don't want to talk about Christianity and willing to learn about IslamQuoteI am beginning to think I have been invited here under false pretence. I thought it was for mutual dialogue.
Please ask any question.
Because Islam answered all questions
I love Allah but Allah loves me moreQuotehow does your God show his love to you?
Because God loves me with his mercy and pardon and forgiveness. Loves me with his grace. Such as health, mind and religion Islam
God in Islam is closer to people than anything else. However missed whistle me
Say: O my servants! Who have acted extravagantly against themselves, do not despair of the mercy of God; Surely God forgives the faults altogether; surely He is the Forgiving, the Merciful. (39:53)
But whoever repents after his iniquity and reforms (himself), then surely God will return to him (mercifully); surely God is Forgiving, Merciful. (5:39).
Love in Islam has 99 type
Love in Islam is not mere slogans lyrics
But the work
تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين
تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين
Enough that they are Christians because they jump that Trinity fabrication
Reminder
Past and present Christian faiths who do not believe in the Trinity include:
Arianism (4th century)
Some Radical Reformers (16th century), such as Michael Servetus
Jehovah's Witnesses
Mormonism
Unitarianism
تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين
تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين
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تحمَّلتُ وحديَ مـا لا أُطيـقْ من الإغترابِ وهَـمِّ الطريـقْ
اللهم اني اسالك في هذه الساعة ان كانت جوليان في سرور فزدها في سرورها ومن نعيمك عليها . وان كانت جوليان في عذاب فنجها من عذابك وانت الغني الحميد برحمتك يا ارحم الراحمين
[QUOTE=فداء الرسول;560115]Allah in Islam is
Sahih International: [He is] Creator of the heavens and the earth. He has made for you from yourselves, mates, and among the cattle, mates; He multiplies you thereby. There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the Hearing, the Seeing.
but Allah in Christianity like
animals also
This is proof that Trinity added after Jesus and there is plenty of evidence that the Trinity of his Gentile
How is this proof? It does not make sense.
Father + son + Holy Spirit + Mary = Trinity
What has Mary to do with the trinity???
False equivalencies
An agnostic just says so or not understand beliefs like you
I understand I beliefs perfectly well thank you. I don't see why I should have to prove them to someone who has harden their hearts to the truth.
Yes the Internet contain evidence that the Trinity of his Gentile
And disciples of Christ did not complete
And many Christians don't believe Trinity
Past and present Christian faiths who do not believe in the Trinity include:
Arianism (4th century)
Some Radical Reformers (16th century), such as Michael Servetus
Jehovah's Witnesses
Mormonism
Unitarianism
To be a Christian one has to believe in Christ, these you quote cannot be considered radical reformers..at best they are considered cults.
Reasons given for rejecting the doctrine of the Trinity include:
1.To be son is to be less than divine and to be divine is to be no one’s son. How could Jesus have the attributes of sonship and divinity altogether?
2.Christians assert that Jesus claimed to be God when they quote him in John 14:9: "He that has seen me has seen the Father". Didn’t Jesus clearly say that people have never seen God, as it says in John 5:37: "And the father himself which Has sent me, has borne witness of me. You have NEITHER HEARD HIS VOICE AT ANY TIME NOR SEEN HIS SHAPE"?
3.Christians say that Jesus was God because he was called Son of God, Son of Man, Messiah, and "savior". Ezekiel was addressed in the Bible as Son of Man. Jesus spoke of "the peace makers" as Sons of God. Any person who followed the Will and Plan of God was called SON OF GOD in the Jewish tradition and in their language (Genesis 6:2,4; Exodus 4:22; Psalm 2:7; Romans 8:14). "Messiah" which in Hebrew means "God’s anointed" and not "Christ", and "Cyrus" the person is called "Messiah" or "the anointed". As for "savior", in II KINGS 13:5, other individuals were given that title too without being gods. So where is the proof in these terms that Jesus was God when the word son is not exclusively used for him alone?
4.Christians claim that Jesus acknowledged that he and God were one in the sense of nature when he says in John 10:30 "I and my father are one". Later on in John 17:21-23, Jesus refers to his followers and himself and God as one in five places. So why did they give the previous "one" a different meaning from the other five "ones?
5.Is God three-in-one and one in three simultaneously or one at a time?
6.If God is one and three simultaneously, then none of the three could be the complete God. Granting that such was the case, then when Jesus was on earth, he wasn’t a complete God, nor was the "father in Heaven" a whole God. Doesn’t that contradict what Jesus always said about His God and our God in heaven, his Lord and our Lord ? Does that also mean that there was no complete god then, between the claimed crucifixion and the claimed resurrection?
Again you are measuring the divine by the human.
You need to understand that for God anything and everything is possible. It is not for us to question the will of God.
It's good that you believe this, but I do not see how your Allah as a unitary deity is capable of love. The 99 words for love of Allah is beautiful for sure, but for me there is one missing which is most important one..that of Father. Just as a Father loves his children, guides his children, teaches his children then God does the same for us, as his children. Just as a child loves, respects, and follows a fathers teaching then we follow God.Quotehow does your God show his love to you?
I love Allah but Allah loves me more
Because God loves me with his mercy and pardon and forgiveness. Loves me with his grace. Such as health, mind and religion Islam
God in Islam is closer to people than anything else.
[However missed whistle me
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