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    افتراضي أين الفقرة رقم 16 و 17 يا نصارى ؟؟؟

    السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاتة

    أولاً: حيا الله الغخوة والأخوات وبارك الله فيكم وجعلكم حراساً للعقيدة وجنود تحاربون أعداء ديننا العظيم .

    ثانياً : لقد بلغ إثبات تحريف الكتاب المقدس مبلغه حتى وصل الى مواقع النصارى المعتمدة لدى القوم فنجد هذا :



    وعلى هذا فنسأل :

    أين الفقرة رقم ( 16 ) و ( 17 ) يا نصارى

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    أين الفقرة رقم ( 16 ) و ( 17 ) يا نصارى
    مر حوالى اسبوع ولم يرد احد من النصارى
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    الفقره 16 سقطت سهوا من بولس الرسول وهو رايح على الدائرى
    الفقره17سقطت سهوا من بولس الرسول وهو جاى على المحور
    نقره لتكبير أو تصغير الصورة ونقرتين لعرض الصورة في صفحة مستقلة بحجمها الطبيعي

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    السلام على اللذين يتبعون الحق ويدرسون للوصول إلى حقيقة الأمور أينما كانت وأينما وجدت
    ولكى اكمل افادتكم بالشكل الصحيح الرجاء عدم اضافة ردود
    وللتوضيح هذا النص ليس لقديس بولس الرسول لكنه سفر يشوع بن سيراخ
    سفر يشوع بن سيراخ

    الاصحاح 29 من السفر ايات

    16 و17

    الايتين دول غير موجودين فى بعد الترجمات ويقال ان هذا تحريف

    وللشرح

    ندرس الاعداد بمقارنتها مع كنج جيمس وايضا السبعينية والفلجاتا




    اولا نتاكد ان لايوجد فرق بين كنج جيمس في المحتوي فقط الفرق ترقيم


    Sir 29:1 He that is merciful will lend unto his neighbour; and he that strengtheneth his hand keepeth the commandments.

    الذي يصنع رحمة يقرض القريب والسخي اليد يحفظ الوصايا 1

    Sir 29:2 Lend to thy neighbour in time of his need, and pay thou thy neighbour again in due season.

    اقرض القريب في وقت حاجته واقضه ما له عليك في اجله 2

    Sir 29:3 Keep thy word, and deal faithfully with him, and thou shalt always find the thing that is necessary for thee.

    حقق ما نطقت به وكن امينا معه فتنال في كل حين بغيتك 3

    Sir 29:4 Many, when a thing was lent them, reckoned it to be found, and put them to trouble that helped them.

    كثيرون حسبوا القرض لقطة فعنوا الذين امدوهم 4

    Sir 29:5 Till he hath received, he will kiss a man's hand; and for his neighbour's money he will speak submissly: but when he should repay, he will prolong the time, and return words of grief, and complain of the time.

    5قبل ان يقبض يقبل اليد ويخشع بصوته حتى ينال مال القريب

    6فاذا ان الرد ماطل ونطق بكلام مضجر وشكا صرف الدهر

    Sir 29:6 If he prevail, he shall hardly receive the half, and he will count as if he had found it: if not, he hath deprived him of his money, and he hath gotten him an enemy without cause: he payeth him with cursings and railings; and for honour he will pay him disgrace.

    7.ان كان الرد في طاقته لم يكد يرد النصف ويحسب ما رده لقطة

    8.و الا فيسلبه امواله ويتخذه عدوا بلا سبب

    9.يجزيه اللعنة والشتيمة وبدل الاكرام يكافئه الاهانة

    Sir 29:7 Many therefore have refused to lend for other men's ill dealing, fearing to be defrauded.

    10 كثيرون امسكوا لاجل خبث الناس مخافة ان يسلبوا بغير سبب

    Sir 29:8 Yet have thou patience with a man in poor estate, and delay not to shew him mercy.

    مع ذلك كن طويل الاناة على البائس ولا تماطله في الصدقة 11

    Sir 29:9 Help the poor for the commandment's sake, and turn him not away because of his poverty.

    12.لاجل الوصية اعن المسكين وفي عوزه لا تردده فارغا

    Sir 29:10 Lose thy money for thy brother and thy friend, and let it not rust under a stone to be lost.

    اتلف فضتك على اخيك وصديقك ولا تدعها تصدا تحت الحجر وتتلف13

    Sir 29:11 Lay up thy treasure according to the commandments of the most High, and it shall bring thee more profit than gold.

    انفق ذخيرتك بحسب وصايا العلي فتنفعك اكثر من الذهب14

    Sir 29:12 Shut up alms in thy storehouses: and it shall deliver thee from all affliction.

    اغلق على الصدقة في اخاديرك فهي تنقذك من كل شر15

    Sir 29:13 It shall fight for thee against thine enemies better than a mighty shield and strong spear.

    تقاتل عنك عدوك اكثر من ترس الباس ورمح الحماسة 18

    Sir 29:14 An honest man is surety for his neighbour: but he that is impudent will forsake him.

    الرجل الصالح يكفل القريب والذي فقد كل حياء يخذله19

    Sir 29:15 Forget not the friendship of thy surety, for he hath given his life for thee.

    لا تنس نعم الكافل فانه بذل نفسه لاجلك 20

    Sir 29:16 A sinner will overthrow the good estate of his surety:

    الخاطئ يهرب من كافله واللئيم الروح يخذله21

    Sir 29:17 And he that is of an unthankful mind will leave him in danger that delivered him.

    الخاطئ يدمر خيرات الكافل وجاحد الجميل يخذل مخلصه 22

    Sir 29:18 Suretiship hath undone many of good estate, and shaken them as a wave of the sea: mighty men hath it driven from their houses, so that they wandered among strange nations.

    24.كثيرون كانوا في نجح فاهلكتهم الكفالة واقلقتهم كامواج البحر

    25.الجات رجالا مقتدرين الى المهاجرة فتاهوا بين امم غريبة

    Sir 29:19 A wicked man transgressing the commandments of the Lord shall fall into suretiship: and he that undertaketh and followeth other men's business for gain shall fall into suits.

    الخاطئ الذي يتهافت على الكفالة ويصبوا الى المعاملات يقع تحت الاقضية26

    Sir 29:20 Help thy neighbour according to thy power, and beware that thou thyself fall not into the same.

    امدد قريبك بقدر طاقتك واحذر على نفسك ان تسقط27

    Sir 29:21 The chief thing for life is water, and bread, and clothing, and an house to cover shame.

    راس المعيشة الماء والخبز واللباس والبيت الساتر للسوءة28

    Sir 29:22 Better is the life of a poor man in a mean cottage, than delicate fare in another man's house.

    عيش الفقير تحت سقف من الواح خير من الاطعمة الفاخرة في دار الغربة29

    Sir 29:23 Be it little or much, hold thee contented, that thou hear not the reproach of thy house.

    ارض بالقليل والكثير فلا تسمع تعييرا في امر البيت30

    Sir 29:24 For it is a miserable life to go from house to house: for where thou art a stranger, thou darest not open thy mouth.

    بئس حياة الانسان من بيت الى بيت وحيثما ضاف لم يفتح فاه 31

    Sir 29:25 Thou shalt entertain, and feast, and have no thanks: moreover thou shalt hear bitter words:

    تطعم وتسقي جاحدين لجميلك وانت ضيفهم ووراء ذلك تسمع اقوالا مرة 32

    Sir 29:26 Come, thou stranger, and furnish a table, and feed me of that thou hast ready.

    ان قم يا ضيف جهز المائدة وان كان بيدك شيء فاطعمني 33

    Sir 29:27 Give place, thou stranger, to an honourable man; my brother cometh to be lodged, and I have need of mine house.

    انصرف يا ضيف من امام شخص كريم ان اخا لي يتضيفني فانا محتاج الى البيت 34

    Sir 29:28 These things are grievous to a man of understanding; the upbraiding of houseroom, and reproaching of the lender.

    امران يستثقلهما الانسان الفطن الانتهار في امر البيت وتعيير المقرض35




    فهو كما اوضحت انه فقط اختلاف ترقيم وليس هناك اي ضياع لاعداد




    وترجمة كنج جيمس اتبعت السبعينية في ترقيمها وهي كالاتي




    Sir 29:1 Ὁ ποιῶν ἔλεος δανιεῖ τῷ πλησίον, καὶ ὁ ἐπισχύων τῇ χειρὶ αὐτοῦ τηρεῖ ἐντολάς.

    Sir 29:2 δάνεισον τῷ πλησίον ἐν καιρῷ χρείας αὐτοῦ καὶ πάλιν ἀπόδος τῷ πλησίον εἰς τὸν καιρόν·

    Sir 29:3 στερέωσον λόγον καὶ πιστώθητι μετ᾿ αὐτοῦ, καὶ ἐν παντὶ καιρῷ εὑρήσεις τὴν χρείαν σου.

    Sir 29:4 πολλοὶ ὡς εὕρεμα ἐνόμισαν δάνος καὶ παρέσχον κόπον τοῖς βοηθήσασιν αὐτοῖς.

    Sir 29:5 ἕως οὗ λάβῃ, καταφιλήσει χεῖρας αὐτοῦ καὶ ἐπὶ τῶν χρημάτων τοῦ πλησίον ταπεινώσει φωνήν· καὶ ἐν καιρῷ ἀποδόσεως παρελκύσει χρόνον καὶ ἀποδώσει λόγους ἀκηδίας καὶ τὸν καιρὸν αἰτιάσεται.

    Sir 29:6 ἐὰν ἰσχύσῃ, μόλις κομίσεται τὸ ἥμισυ καὶ λογιεῖται αὐτὸ ὡς εὕρεμα· εἰ δὲ μή, ἀπεστέρησεν αὐτὸν τῶν χρημάτων αὐτοῦ, καὶ ἐκτήσατο αὐτὸν ἐχθρὸν δωρεάν· κατάρας καὶ λοιδορίας ἀποδώσει αὐτῷ καὶ ἀντὶ δόξης ἀποδώσει αὐτῷ ἀτιμίαν.

    Sir 29:7 πολλοὶ οὐ χάριν πονηρίας ἀπέστρεψαν, ἀποστερηθῆναι δωρεὰν εὐλαβήθησαν.

    Sir 29:8 Πλὴν ἐπὶ ταπεινῷ μακροθύμησον καὶ ἐπ᾿ ἐλεημοσύνῃ μὴ παρελκύσῃς αὐτόν.

    Sir 29:9 χάριν ἐντολῆς ἀντιλαβοῦ πένητος καὶ κατὰ τὴν ἔνδειαν αὐτοῦ μὴ ἀποστρέψῃς αὐτὸν κενόν.

    Sir 29:10 ἀπόλεσον ἀργύριον δι᾿ ἀδελφὸν καὶ φίλον, καὶ μὴ ἰωθήτω ὑπὸ τὸν λίθον εἰς ἀπώλειαν.

    Sir 29:11 θὲς τὸν θησαυρόν σου κατ᾿ ἐντολὰς ὑψίστου, καὶ λυσιτελήσει σοι μᾶλλον ἢ τὸ χρυσίον.

    Sir 29:12 σύγκλεισον ἐλεημοσύνην ἐν τοῖς ταμιείοις σου, καὶ αὕτη ἐξελεῖταί σε ἐκ πάσης κακώσεως·

    Sir 29:13 ὑπὲρ ἀσπίδα κράτους καὶ ὑπὲρ δόρυ ὁλκῆς κατέναντι ἐχθροῦ πολεμήσει ὑπὲρ σοῦ.

    Sir 29:14 Ἀνὴρ ἀγαθὸς ἐγγυήσεται τὸν πλησίον, καὶ ὁ ἀπολωλεκὼς αἰσχύνην ἐγκαταλείψει αὐτόν.

    Sir 29:15 χάριτας ἐγγύου μὴ ἐπιλάθῃ· ἔδωκεν γὰρ τὴν ψυχὴν αὐτοῦ ὑπὲρ σοῦ.

    Sir 29:16 ἀγαθὰ ἐγγύου ἀνατρέψει ἁμαρτωλός, καὶ ἀχάριστος ἐν διανοίᾳ ἐγκαταλείψει ῥυσάμενον.

    Sir 29:17 ἐγγύη πολλοὺς ἀπώλεσεν κατευθύνοντας καὶ ἐσάλευσεν αὐτοὺς ὡς κῦμα θαλάσσης·

    Sir 29:18 ἄνδρας δυνατοὺς ἀπῴκισεν, καὶ ἐπλανήθησαν ἐν ἔθνεσιν ἀλλοτρίοις.

    Sir 29:19 ἁμαρτωλὸς ἐμπεσὼν εἰς ἐγγύην καὶ διώκων ἐργολαβίας ἐμπεσεῖται εἰς κρίσεις.

    Sir 29:20 ἀντιλαβοῦ τοῦ πλησίον κατὰ δύναμίν σου καὶ πρόσεχε σεαυτῷ μὴ ἐμπέσῃς.

    Sir 29:21 Ἀρχὴ ζωῆς ὕδωρ καὶ ἄρτος καὶ ἱμάτιον καὶ οἶκος καλύπτων ἀσχημοσύνην.

    Sir 29:22 κρείσσων βίος πτωχοῦ ὑπὸ σκέπην δοκῶν ἢ ἐδέσματα λαμπρὰ ἐν ἀλλοτρίοις.

    Sir 29:23 ἐπὶ μικρῷ καὶ μεγάλῳ εὐδοκίαν ἔχε, καὶ ὀνειδισμὸν παροικίας οὐ μὴ ἀκούσῃς.

    Sir 29:24 ζωὴ πονηρὰ ἐξ οἰκίας εἰς οἰκίαν, καὶ οὗ παροικήσεις, οὐκ ἀνοίξεις στόμα·

    Sir 29:25 ξενιεῖς καὶ ποτιεῖς εἰς ἀχάριστα καὶ πρὸς ἐπὶ τούτοις πικρὰ ἀκούσῃ

    Sir 29:26 Πάρελθε, πάροικε, κόσμησον τράπεζαν, καὶ εἴ τι ἐν τῇ χειρί σου, ψώμισόν με·

    Sir 29:27 ἔξελθε, πάροικε, ἀπὸ προσώπου δόξης, ἐπεξένωταί μοι ὁ ἀδελφός, χρεία τῆς οἰκίας.

    Sir 29:28 βαρέα ταῦτα ἀνθρώπῳ ἔχοντι φρόνησιν, ἐπιτίμησις οἰκίας καὶ ὀνειδισμὸς δανειστοῦ.




    وترجمتها



    والنسخه العربي اتبعت ترقيم القديس جيروم ما عدا فرق بسيط

    وهنا نسخة الفلجاتا ايضا للقديس جيروم ترجمها في القرن الرابع




    Sir 29:1 de fenore qui facit misericordiam fenerat proximum et qui praevalet manu mandata servat

    Sir 29:2 fenera proximum tibi in tempore necessitatis illius et iterum redde proximo in tempore suo

    Sir 29:3 confirma verbum et fideliter age cum illo et in omni tempore invenies quod tibi necessarium est

    Sir 29:4 multi quasi inventionem aestimaverunt fenus et praestiterunt molestiam his qui se adiuvaverunt

    Sir 29:5 donec accipiant osculantur manum dantis et in promissionibus humiliant vocem suam

    Sir 29:6 et in tempore redditionis postulabit tempus et loquetur verba acediae et murmurationum et tempus causabitur

    Sir 29:7 si autem potuerit reddere aversatus solide vix reddet dimidium et conputabit illud quasi inventionem

    Sir 29:8 sin autem fraudavit illum pecunia sua et possidebit illum inimicum gratis

    Sir 29:9 et convicia et maledicta reddet illi et pro honore et beneficio reddet illi contumeliam

    Sir 29:10 multi non causa nequitiae non feneraverunt sed fraudari gratis timuerunt

    Sir 29:11 verumtamen super humilem animo fortior esto et pro elemosyna non trahas illum

    Sir 29:12 propter mandatum adsume pauperem et propter inopiam eius ne dimittas illum vacuum

    Sir 29:13 perde pecuniam pro fratre et amico et non abscondas illam sub lapide in perditionem

    Sir 29:14 pone thesaurum tuum in praeceptis Altissimi et proderit tibi magis quam aurum

    Sir 29:15 conclude elemosynam in corde pauperis et haec pro te exorabit ab omni malo

    Sir 29:18 super scutum potentis et super lanceam adversus inimicum tuum pugnabit

    Sir 29:19 vir bonus fidem facit proximo suo et qui perdiderit confusionem derelinquet sibi

    Sir 29:20 gratiam fideiussoris ne obliviscaris dedit enim pro te animam suam

    Sir 29:21 repromissorem fugit peccator et inmundus

    Sir 29:22 bona repromissoris sibi adscribit peccator et ingratus sensu derelinquet liberantem se

    Sir 29:23 vir repromittit de proximo suo et cum perdiderit reverentiam relinquetur ab eo

    Sir 29:24 repromissio nequissima multos perdidit dirigentes et commovit illos quasi fluctus maris

    Sir 29:25 viros potentes gyrans migrare fecit et vagati sunt in gentibus alienis

    Sir 29:26 peccator transgrediens mandata Domini incidet in promissionem nequa et qui conatur multa agere incidet in iudicium

    Sir 29:27 recupera proximum secundum virtutem tuam et adtende tibi ne incidas

    Sir 29:28 initium vitae aqua et panis et vestimentum et domus protegens turpitudinem

    Sir 29:29 melior victus pauperis sub tegimen asserum quam epulae splendidae in peregre sine domicilio

    Sir 29:30 super minimum et magnum placeat tibi et inproperium peregrinationis non audies

    Sir 29:31 vita nequa hospitandi de domo in domum et ubi hospitabitur non fiducialiter aget nec aperiet os

    Sir 29:32 hospitabit et pascet et potabit ingratos et ad haec amara audiet

    Sir 29:33 transi hospes et orna mensam et quae in manu habes ciba ceteros

    Sir 29:34 exi a facie honoris amicorum meorum necessitudine domus meae hospitio mihi factus est frater

    Sir 29:35 gravia haec homini habenti sensum correptio domus et inproperium feneratoris







    ونجد ايضا الاعداد كامله ولكن فقط الترقيم مختلف في الاربع ترجمات




    ولتاكيد ذلك اذكر تراجم انجليزيه اخري كلهم اتفقوا في المضمون بالكامل ولكنهم اختلفوا فقط في الترقيم




    ترجمة بيشوب ( 1568 م )




    Sir 29:1 Who so will shewe mercie, let hym lende vnto his neyghbour: and he that is able, let him kepe the commaundementes.

    Sir 29:2 Lend vnto thy neyghbour in time of his neede, and paye thou thy neyghbour againe in due season.

    Sir 29:3 Kepe thy worde, and deale faythfully with him: and thou shalt alway finde the thing that is necessarie for thee.

    Sir 29:4 There haue ben many, that when a thing was lent them, reckened it to be founde, and made them trauayle and labour that had helped them.

    Sir 29:5 Whyle they receaue any thing, they kisse the handes of such as geue them, and for their neyghbours good they humble their voyce: but when they should paye againe, they kepe it backe, and geue euyl wordes, and make many excuses by reason of the time.

    Sir 29:6 And though he be able, yet geueth he scarse the halfe againe, and reckeneth the other to be founde: And if he withholde not his money, yet hath he an enemie of him, and that vndeserued: He payeth him with cursing and rebuke, and geueth him euyll wordes for his good deede.

    Sir 29:7 There be many one which are not glad for to lende, not because of euyl: but they feare to lose the thing that they lende.

    Sir 29:8 Yet haue thou patience with the simple, and withholde not mercie from him.

    Sir 29:9 Helpe the poore for the commaundementes sake, and let hym not go emptie from thee, because of his necessitie.

    Sir 29:10 Lose thy money for thy brother and neyghbours sake, and burie it not vnder a stone where it rusteth and corrupteth.

    Sir 29:11 Gather thy treasure after the commaundement of the hyghest, and so shal it bring thee more profite then golde.

    Sir 29:12 Lay vp thyne almes in the hande of the poore, and it shall kepe thee from all euyll.

    Sir 29:13 A mans almes is as a purse with him, & shal kepe a mans fauour as the apple of an eye: and afterwarde shall it arise and paye euery man his rewarde vpon his head.

    Sir 29:14 It shall fight for thee against thyne enemies, better then the shielde of a gyaunt or speare of the mightie.

    Sir 29:15 A good honest man is a suertie for his neyghbour, but a wicked person: letteth him come to shame.

    Sir 29:16 Forget not the friendship of thy suertie: for he hath geuen his soule for thee.

    Sir 29:17 The vngodly despiseth the good deede of his suertie.

    Sir 29:18 The wicked will not become suertie, and the vnthankeful and ignoraunt leaueth his suertie in daunger.

    Sir 29:19 Some man promiseth for his neyghbour: & when he hath lost his honestie, he shall forsake him.

    Sir 29:20 Suertishippe hath destroyed many a riche man, and remoued them as the waues in the sea: Mightie people hath it dryuen away, and caused them to wander in straunge countreys.

    Sir 29:21 An vngodly man transgressing the commaundement of the Lorde, shall fal into an euyll suertiship: and though he force him selfe to get out, yet shall he fall into iudgement.

    Sir 29:22 Helpe thy neyghbour out after thy power, and beware that thou thy selfe fall not in such debte.

    Sir 29:23 The chiefe thing that kepeth in thy life, is water, & bread, clothing, and lodging, to couer the shame.

    Sir 29:24 Better is it to haue a poore lyuing in a mans owne house, then delicate fare among the straunge.

    Sir 29:25 Be it litle or much that thou hast, hold thee content withall: and thou shalt not be blamed as a vagabounde.

    Sir 29:26 For a miserable lyfe is it to go from house to house, and where a man is fremde, he dare not open his mouth.

    Sir 29:27 Though one be lodged, & haue meate and drinke, yet shall he be taken as vnworthy, and heare many bytter rough wordes, [namely thus:]

    Sir 29:28 Go thy way thou straunger, and prepare a table for thy selfe, and feede me also of that thou hast.

    Sir 29:29 Geue place thou straunger to an honorable man, my brother commeth into my house, and so telleth him the necessitie of his house.

    Sir 29:30 These thinges are heauy to a man that hath vnderstanding: [namely] the forbidding of the house, and that the lender casteth him in the teeth.




    جنيفا (1587 م )

    Sir 29:1 He that will shewe mercie, lendeth to his neighbour: and he that hath power ouer himselfe, keepeth the commandements.

    Sir 29:2 Lend to thy neighbour in time of his neede, and pay thou thy neighbour againe in due season.

    Sir 29:3 Keepe thy worde, and deale faithfully with him, and thou shalt always finde the thing that is necessarie for thee.

    Sir 29:4 Many when a thing was lent them, reckened it to be found, and grieued them that had helped them.

    Sir 29:5 Till they receiue, they kisse his handes, and for their neighbours good they huble their voyce: but when they should pay againe, they prolong the terme, and giue a careles answere, and make excuses by reason of the time.

    Sir 29:6 And though he be able, yet giueth hee scarce the halfe againe, & reckeneth the other as a thing found: els he deceiueth him of his money, and maketh him an enemie without a cause: he paieth him with cursing and rebuke, and giueth him euil words for his good deede.

    Sir 29:7 There be many which refuse to lend because of this inconuenience, fearing to bee defrauded without cause.

    Sir 29:8 Yet haue thou patience with him that humbleth him selfe, and deferre not mercy from him.

    Sir 29:9 Helpe the poore for the comandements sake, and turne him not away, because of his pouertie.

    Sir 29:10 Lose thy money for thy brothers & neighbours sake, and let it not rust vnder a stone to thy destruction.

    Sir 29:11 Bestowe thy treasure after the commandement of the most High, & it shall bring thee more profite then golde.

    Sir 29:12 Lay vp thine almes in thy secret chambers, and it shall keepe thee from all affliction.

    Sir 29:13 A mans almes is as a purse with him, & shal keepe a mans fauour as the apple of the eye, and afterward shall it arise, and pay euery man his reward vpon his head.

    Sir 29:14 It shall fight for thee against thine enemies, better then the shield of a strong man, or speare of the mightie.

    Sir 29:15 An honest man is surety for his neighbour: but he that is impudent, forsaketh him.

    Sir 29:16 Forget not the friendship of thy suretie: for he hath layed his life for thee.

    Sir 29:17 The wicked despiseth the good deede of his suretie.

    Sir 29:18 The wicked will not become suretie: and he that is of an vnthankfull minde, forsaketh him that deliuered him.

    Sir 29:19 Some man promiseth for his neighbour: and when hee hath lost his honestie, hee will forsake him.

    Sir 29:20 Suretieship hath destroyed many a rich man, and remooued them as the waues of the sea: mightie men hath it driuen away from their houses, and caused them to wander among strange nations.

    Sir 29:21 A wicked man, transgressing the commandements of the Lord, shall fall into suretieship: and hee that medleth much with other mens busines, is intangled in controuersies.

    Sir 29:22 Helpe thy neighbour according to thy power, and beware that thou thy selfe fall not.

    Sir 29:23 The chiefe thing of life is water, & bread, and clothing, and lodging to couer thy shame.

    Sir 29:24 The poore mans life in his owne lodge is better then delicate fare in another mans.

    Sir 29:25 Be it litle or much, holde thee contented, that the house speake not euill of thee.

    Sir 29:26 For it is a miserable life to go from house to house: for where thou art a stranger, thou darest not open thy mouth.

    Sir 29:27 Thou shalt lodge and feede vnthankefull men, & after shalt haue bitter wordes for the same, saying,

    Sir 29:28 Come, thou stranger, and prepare the table, and feede me of that thou hast readie.

    Sir 29:29 Giue place, thou stranger, to an honourable man: my brother commeth to bee lodged, and I haue neede of mine house.

    Sir 29:30 These things are heauie to a man that hath vnderstanding, the vpbraiding of the house, and the reproche of the lender.

    دي ار بي DRB 1899

    Sir 29:1 He that sheweth mercy, lendeth to his neighbour: and he that is stronger in hand, keepeth the commandments.

    Sir 29:2 Lend to thy neighbour in the time of his need, and pay thou thy neighbour again in due time.

    Sir 29:3 Keep thy word, and deal faithfully with him: and thou shalt always find that which is necessary for thee.

    Sir 29:4 Many have looked upon a thing lent as a thing found, and have given trouble to them that helped them.

    Sir 29:5 Till they receive, they kiss the hands of the lender, and in promises they humble their voice:

    Sir 29:6 But when they should repay, they will ask time, and will return tedious and murmuring words, and will complain of the time:

    Sir 29:7 And if he be able to pay, he will stand off, he will scarce pay one half, and will count it as if he had found it:

    Sir 29:8 But if not, he will defraud him of his money, and he shall get him for an enemy without cause.

    Sir 29:9 And he will pay him with reproaches and curses, and instead of honour and good turn will repay him injuries.

    Sir 29:10 Many have refused to lend, not out of wickedness, but they were afraid to be defrauded without cause.

    Sir 29:11 But yet towards the poor be thou more hearty, and delay not to shew him mercy.

    Sir 29:12 Help the poor because of the commandment: and send him not away empty handed because of his poverty.

    Sir 29:13 Lose thy money for thy brother and thy friend: and hide it not under a stone to be lost.

    Sir 29:14 Place thy treasure in the commandments of the most High, and it shall bring thee more profit than gold.

    Sir 29:15 Shut up alms in the heart of the poor, and it shall obtain help for thee against all evil.

    Sir 29:16 Better than the shield of the mighty, and better than the spear:

    Sir 29:17 It shall fight for thee against thy enemy.

    Sir 29:18 A good man is surety for his neighbour: and he that hath lost shame, will leave him to himself.

    Sir 29:19 Forget not the kindness of thy surety: for he hath given his life for thee.

    Sir 29:20 The sinner and the unclean fleeth from his surety.

    Sir 29:21 A sinner attributeth to himself the goods of his surety: and he that is of an unthankful mind will leave him that delivered him.

    Sir 29:22 A man is surety for his neighbour: and when he hath lost all shame, he shall forsake him.

    Sir 29:23 Evil suretyship hath undone many of good estate, and hath tossed them as a wave of the sea.

    Sir 29:24 It hath made powerful men to go from place to place round about, and they have wandered in strange countries.

    Sir 29:25 A sinner that transgresseth the commandment of the Lord, shall fall into an evil suretyship: and he that undertaketh many things, shall fall into judgment.

    Sir 29:26 Recover thy neighbour according to thy power, and take heed to thyself that thou fall not.

    Sir 29:27 The chief thing for man's life is water and bread, and clothing, and a house to cover shame.

    Sir 29:28 Better is the poor man's fare under a roof of boards, than sumptuous cheer abroad in another man's house.

    Sir 29:29 Be contented with little instead of much, and thou shalt not hear the reproach of going abroad.

    Sir 29:30 It is a miserable life to go as a guest from house to house: for where a man is a stranger, he shall not deal confidently, nor open his mouth.

    Sir 29:31 He shall entertain and feed, and give drink to the unthankful, and moreover he shall hear bitter words.

    Sir 29:32 Go, stranger, and furnish the table, and give others to eat what thou hast in thy hand.

    Sir 29:33 Give place to the honourable presence of my friends: for I want my house, my brother being to be lodged with me.

    Sir 29:34 These things are grievous to a man of understanding: the upbraiding of houseroom, and the reproaching of the lender.




    فاعتزر ان اكنت اطلب بسبب كثرة الترجمات ولكن فقط عرضت لاؤكد عدم وجود ضياع لاعداد ولكن فقط اختلاف ترقيم وبخاصه في الانجليزي والسبعينية العدد 5 والعدد 6 الذي يمثل في العربي والفلجاتا عدد 5 و 6 و 7 و 8 و 9 وادي الي عدم وجود اعداد للترقيم في 16 و17




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    عدم وجود الفرتين 16و17
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    لو سمحت فين ال 16 و 17 سؤال نرجو الاجابة عليه؟؟؟

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أين الفقرة رقم 16 و 17 يا نصارى ؟؟؟

أين الفقرة رقم 16 و 17 يا نصارى ؟؟؟