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    Salam Muhammad,

    If you want I will change my gender for you here in this forum....lol
    There are many denominations of Christian Churches in this world.
    But the word CHURCH means that we all belong to the global 'organization' or community of believers in God Jesus/Ummah or in other words the Fellowship of believers in God Jesus. This global Ummah/CHURCH is founded by God Himself. It is not a man-made organization. He accepts to the Church all people who believe in His Son. They can be in KuwaitSaudi Arabia. But there are no local churches/kanisa like masjid and however they belong to the Church of God. He keeps them.
    But there are also local divisions of the Global Church. They are Protestant Church, Messianic church, Evangelical Church (I belong to this Church) Only two local divisions of the Churches are living in evident sins- the Catholic and Orthodox Churches. All other churches could be attended by you. But I do not advice you to attend meetings of the Catholic and Orthodox Churches.
    We worship God Ibn Allah who lived in the body on the earth, who lived always without human body before His birth on earth and who is living now in the Kingdom of Heaven in the same resurrected body. By worshipping God we do not worship His body but His personality, i.e. we worship the Divine Nature of Ibn Allah. It means that we do not express any worship of His body.no way. We worship Him in the Spirit and the Truth.

    Blessings!

    Bahira Omar

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    DEAR GUEST

    A QUESTION PLEASE

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    Bahira Omar
    YOUR FIRST TIME TO PUT YOUR SIGNATURE

    ARE YOU TERMINATING THIS CONVERSATION


    WAITING

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    Brother, how can I terminate conversation with my family members? I came to you. Here you can see explanation of what the Global Church is:

    http://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=KL6YPPNX

    Bahira Omar

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    DEAR GUEST

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    Brother, how can I terminate conversation with my family members?


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    I came to you.
    YOU ARE VERY WELCOME

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    If you want I will change my gender for you here in this forum



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    HOW FAST YOU ARE DEAR SISTER

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    We worship God Ibn Allah who lived in the body on the earth, who lived always without human body before His birth on earth and who is living now in the Kingdom of Heaven in the same resurrected body. By worshipping God we do not worship His body but His personality, i.e. we worship the Divine Nature of Ibn Allah. It means that we do not express any worship of His body.no way. We worship Him in the Spirit and the Truth.
    DEAR SISTER
    NOW WE ARE USING THE LOGIC NOT THE SCRIPTURES

    SO, WHAT ANYONE CAN STAND ABOUT CHRISTIANITY IS THAT YOU WHORSHIP JESUS BECAUSE HE SACRIFICED, SUFFERED INSTEAD OF YOU

    NOW IT IS SO CLEAR THAT THE HUMAN BODY OF JESUS IS THE ONE WHO SUFFERED NOT THE DIVINE NATURE

    THAT'S WHY CHRISTIANS "OTHER THAN YOU" WHORSHIP THE BODY ASA WELL AS THE DIVINE NATURE

    NOW ABOUT YOU, YOU ARE BETWEEN TWO FATAL CHOICES

    THE FIRST: THE DIVINE NATURE HAD NEVER SUFFERED INSTEAD OF YOU -----> SO WHAT MAKES YOU WHORSHIP THAT NATURE

    THE SECOND:ACCORDING TO YOUR POSTS
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    Do not forget that God Ibn Allah lived in the human body and it means He SUFFERED AND FELT "EVEYTHING" like we are suffering. For example, the Bible says that He was hungryHe wept and felt compassion and was mourning.
    SO THE DIVINE NATURE SUFFERED AND FELT EVERYTHING----->SO THE DIVINE NATURE DIED

    DOES THAT MAKE SENSE DEAR SISTER

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    LET ME SAY TO YOU
    IF THAT IS THE ROLE OK NO PROBLEM
    BUT REREAD THAT PARAGRAPH AGAIN
    IF MELCHIZEDEK HAD NO RECORD ABOUT HIS FATHER OR HIS MOTHER WE "MAY" SAY HE HAS NO BEGINNING OF DAYS
    ALTHOUGH IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE

    BUT HOW CAN WE SAY THAT HE HAS NO END OF LIFE
    JUST BECAUSE THERE WAS NO RECORD ABOUT HIS POSTERITY
    SUGGEST THAT HE HAD NO POSTERITY AT ALL, DOES THAT MEAN HE HAD NO END OF LIFE

    IF ANYBODY WAS MARRIED BUT HAD NO CHILDREN, DOES THAT MEAN HE HAS NO END OF LIFE

    TRUST ME, AND DON'T BE ANGRY, THIS CAN'T PERSUADE ANY PERSON USES HIS MIND, WHATEVER HIS RELIGION IS

    YOU STILL HAVE NO REASONABLE EXPLANATION TO THAT POINT





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    Muhammad, I will answer to your questions tomorrow Inshallah!
    But I want to tell you what I said about the Church of God...because recently we talked about it with my Muslim brothers....Look below what I told them about the Christian Church:



    Brothers,
    one of my Muslim brothers said:
    In USA and Europe, I saw prostitutes being .while having cross round their necks... They say that Jesus will mercy them and send them to heaven...
    Exactly like you with your mean behaviour and emails, yet you think you are doing well.
    One question!!.. what happens inside churchs after you finish prayer...
    Here in our district, Christians say that lights go out inside churches for a while to let mixed people please each other..
    You are lax in morals as well as believes...
    You had better find your way before it is too late.
    Let me answer to your question by quoting you words of one song. This answer will remind us again about who we are and what happened with our brothers in America in September too:
    Where Were You When The World Stopped Turning?

    Where were you when the world stopped turning on that September day?
    Were you in the yard with your wife and children
    Or working on some stage in L.A.?
    Did you stand there in shock at the sight of that black smoke
    Risin' against that blue sky?
    Did you shout out in anger, in fear for your neighbor
    Or did you just sit down and cry?

    Did you weep for the children who lost their dear loved ones
    And pray for the ones who don't know?
    Did you rejoice for the people who walked from the rubble
    And sob for the ones left below?
    Did you burst out in pride for the red, white and blue
    And the heroes who died just doin' what they do?
    Did you look up to heaven for some kind of answer
    And look at yourself and what really matters?


    I'm just a singer of simple songs
    I'm not a real political man
    I watch CNN but I'm not sure I can tell
    you the difference in Iraq and Iran
    But I know Jesus and I talk to God
    And I remember this from when I was young
    Faith, hope and love are some good things He gave us
    And the greatest is love.

    Where were you when the world stopped turning on that September day?
    Were you teaching a class full of innocent children
    Or driving down some cold interstate?
    Did you feel guilty 'cause you're a survivor?
    In a crowded room did you feel alone?
    Did you call up your mother and tell her you loved her?
    Did you dust off that Bible at home?

    Did you open your eyes, hope it never happened
    Close your eyes and not go to sleep?
    Did you notice the sunset the first time in ages
    Or speak to some stranger on the street?
    Did you lay down at night and think of tomorrow
    Or go out and buy you a gun?
    Did you turn off that violent old movie you're watchin'
    And turn on "I Love Lucy" reruns?

    Did you go to a church and hold hands with some strangers
    Did you stand in line and give your own blood?
    Did you just stay home and cling tight to your family
    Thank God you had somebody to love?

    And the greatest is love.
    And the greatest is love.

    Where were you when the world stopped turning that September day?
    Brothers,
    yes my brother is right. I am a sinner. I am a killer. I even cannt count my sins.
    But I know only what my God was teaching me since my childhood:
    But I know Jesus and I talk to God
    And I remember this from when I was young
    Faith, hope and love are some good things He gave us
    And the greatest is love.
    When I was a child God revealed me Himself by giving me a chance to read His holy words. God came to me through these words. I re-reread them so many times...and God talked to my heart. He told me that He is LOVE and He gave me FAITH and Hope in Him. These are the best moments in my life when God talked to me.
    No one of men came to me and told me about my sins. Only God did it. No one explained me how bad my sins were. Only God did it. There was no hope in my life but God shed His Light from heaven into my heart and I repented of my sins. He forgave me.
    I came to my schoolmates and I taught them the way of God. I can to my teachers in school and I told them about my God. I came to you to bring you the same Light of God which we all are able observe in the life of God Jesus. Do not look at my life. Look at Him and How perfect He was and is.
    Who am I?
    I am nothing. But He is everything.
    About Him I tell you, forgetting if I would be in hell or not.
    I am asking Him to save you all, that you would avoid the hell fire.
    This is not about me, what I tell you but about Him!
    And I tell Him about you!
    He forgives and gives us hope no matter who were. If we have committed any sins then we should remember that He- Jesus- is the ONE who forgave all our sins.
    He chose to forgive my crimes.
    But I am imperfect. How to be perfect?
    If I will OBEY Him and LIVE as He says, implementing all His words, then in the Kingdom of Heaven I will see that I was forgiven and accepted by God.
    If I will live in the renewed life WALKING with God Jesus only then I am forgiven and cleansed of my sins.
    If I would return to my love from Palestine then would I be in the Kingdom of Heaven? No.
    If we do not abandon our lovers, sins, crimes, abominations which we all have committed then HOW would we get to the Kingdom of Heaven?
    Jesus sis the ONLY Way to God.
    By living with Jesus, we cannt sin. We cannt return to our mud pit to sleep there again and again.
    By living with Jesus, we cannt live without Him. This life is DEATH.
    It means we have only two choices:
    1. Or we live with God
    2. Or we live against God.

    There is no other option!
    God Jesus said:
    He who is not with Me is against Me,
    and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.
    Matthew 12: 30
    Brothers, we can be prodigal sons, dogs or pigs always living and sleeping in our mud pit.
    But when you are in a such state there is no one who would be able to give you a hand of support!
    Who is this who loves you infinitely?
    No one.
    Only God is helping you to rise up when you have fallen down.
    Only God comes to you to wipe away your tears and He promised to wipe them away in His Kingdom too! Only God returns you your direct look lifting up your eyes to Himself.
    Only He who wipes your blood from your face, returns you HOPE and LIFE when you decided to kill yourself.
    Who is He that He loves so the humankind?
    He is the ONE who lived among us.
    He is the ONE who suffered like we are suffering.
    He was hungry like we are hungry.
    He was in blood and no one supported Him.
    He is the One who was insulted and finally killed.
    He was killed instead of you. Thats why there is no need to die for you. Do not kill yourself because He gave you HOPE!
    He NOT only descends from heaven to your world, He comes to YOU in His GLORY and His pierced hands wipe away your tears and He changes your future. There is no need to die.
    He is the ONE who saves you.
    There is NO OTHER who is like He is.
    He said:
    Thus says the LORD:

    I remember you,
    The kindness of your youth,
    The love of your betrothal,
    When you went after Me in the wilderness,
    In a land not sown.
    Israel was holiness to the LORD,
    The firstfruits of His increase.
    All that devour him will offend;
    Disaster will come upon them, says the LORD.

    What injustice have your fathers found in Me,
    That they have gone far from Me,
    Have followed idols,
    And have become idolaters?

    Has a nation changed its gods,
    Which are not gods?
    But My people have changed their Glory
    For what does not profit.

    For My people have committed two evils:
    They have forsaken Me, the fountain of living waters,
    And hewn themselves cisternsbroken cisterns that can hold no water.

    How shall I pardon you for this?
    Your children have forsaken Me
    And sworn by those that are not gods.
    When I had fed them to the full,
    Then they committed adultery
    And assembled themselves by troops in the harlots houses.

    I have seen your adulteries
    And your lustful neighings,
    The lewdness of your harlotry,
    Your abominations on the hills in the fields.
    Woe to you, O Jerusalem!
    Will you still not be made clean?

    Have you not brought this on yourself,
    In that you have forsaken the LORD your God
    When He led you in the way?

    Your own wickedness will correct you,
    And your backslidings will rebuke you.
    Know therefore and see that it is an evil and bitter thing
    That you have forsaken the LORD your God,
    And the fear of Me is not in you,
    Says the Lord GOD of hosts.

    Yet I had planted you a noble vine, a seed of highest quality.
    How then have you turned before Me
    Into the degenerate plant of an alien vine?
    For though you wash yourself with lye, and use much soap,
    Yet your iniquity is marked before Me, says the Lord GOD.

    Yet you say, Because I am innocent,
    Surely His anger shall turn from me.
    Behold, I will plead My case against you,
    Because you say, I have not sinned.
    Why do you gad about so much to change your way?
    Also you shall be ashamed of Egypt as you were ashamed of Assyria.

    You also committed harlotry with the Egyptians, your very fleshly neighbors, and increased your acts of harlotry to provoke Me to anger.

    You are an adulterous wife,
    who takes strangers instead of her husband.
    Men make payment to all harlots,
    but you made your payments to all your lovers,
    and hired them to come to you from all around for your harlotry.
    You are the opposite of other women in your harlotry,
    because no one solicited you to be a harlot.
    In that you gave payment but no payment was given you, therefore you are the opposite.

    Also My food which I gave youthe pastry of fine flour, oil, and honey which I fed youyou set it before them as sweet incense; and so it was, says the Lord GOD.

    But you trusted in your own beauty, played the harlot because of your fame, and poured out your harlotry on everyone passing by who would have it.

    There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

    They say, If a man divorces his wife,
    And she goes from him
    And becomes another mans,
    May he return to her again?
    Would not that land be greatly polluted?
    But you have played the harlot with many lovers;
    Yet return to Me,
    says the LORD.

    And I will establish My covenant with you.
    Then you shall know that I am the LORD,
    that you may remember and be ashamed,
    and never open your mouth anymore because of your shame,
    when I provide you an atonement for all you have done, says the Lord GOD.

    Will you not from this time cry to Me,
    My Father, You are the guide of my youth?

    Return, backsliding Israel, says the LORD;
    I will not cause My anger to fall on you.
    For I am merciful,
    says the LORD;
    I will not remain angry forever.
    Only acknowledge your iniquity,
    That you have transgressed against the LORD your God,
    And have scattered your charms
    To alien deities under every green tree,
    And you have not obeyed My voice,
    says the LORD.

    Surely, as a wife treacherously departs from her husband,
    So have you dealt treacherously with Me,
    O house of Israel, says the LORD.

    Return, O backsliding children,
    says the LORD;
    for I am married to you.
    I will take you, one from a city and two from a family, and I will bring you to Zion.
    And I will give you shepherds according to My heart, who will feed you with knowledge and understanding.

    When I passed by you again and looked upon you, indeed your time was the time of love; so I spread My wing over you and covered your nakedness. Yes, I swore an oath to you and entered into a covenant with you, and you became Mine, says the Lord GOD.
    Then I washed you in water; yes, I thoroughly washed off your blood, and I anointed you with oil.

    Return,
    you backsliding children,
    And I will heal your backslidings.

    Jeremiah 3: 2-3, 5. Ezekiel 23:16, 23

    Brothers, God said these words you all Christians, Jews and you Muslims.
    RETURN backsliding children, wash your hands from the blood of your you sins. God is married you. You like His wife who is making Him great pain.
    He is LONG-SUFFERING!
    He SUFFERS LONG!
    Why?
    Because He NEEDS you!
    There is no greater LOVE!
    God made an ATONEMENT for your sins!
    And I will establish My covenant with you.
    Then you shall know that I am the LORD,
    that you may remember and be ashamed,
    and never open your mouth anymore because of your shame,
    when I provide you an atonement for all you have done,
    says the Lord GOD.

    This Atonement is the DEATH of His Son -Ibn Allah- on the cross instead of you. He took all your sins to make you FREE of them and CLEANSED of your sins and blood once and forever.
    Thats why your name will be
    HOLY SONS of God!

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    Salam Muhammad,
    DEAR SISTER
    NOW WE ARE USING THE LOGIC NOT THE SCRIPTURES

    SO, WHAT ANYONE CAN STAND ABOUT CHRISTIANITY IS THAT YOU WHORSHIP JESUS BECAUSE HE SACRIFICED, SUFFERED INSTEAD OF YOU

    NOW IT IS SO CLEAR THAT THE HUMAN BODY OF JESUS IS THE ONE WHO SUFFERED NOT THE DIVINE NATURE- He was bearing the sin of the world. Jesus was bearing your sin and mine as well. He was bearing millions of sins of millions of people. Not one of thousands of my sins. But all thousands of my sins, thousands of your sins and uncountable numbers of sins of all who decided to believe in Him. God suffered physically from insults and beatings. But He also suffered spiritually. He who knew no sins, became sin. He defeated death on the cross. His Father treated Him as He would live my sinful life. He was killed and no one protected Him. The righteous man willingly suffered on the cross, knowing that millions of people whom He saved, will enter into His Kingdom.

    THAT'S WHY CHRISTIANS "OTHER THAN YOU" WHORSHIP THE BODY AS WELL AS THE DIVINE NATURE- We all should worship God in the Spirit and the Truth. It means we should be reasonable in our worship. We should not kiss any crosses or touch places when may be His body was buried. It means we should worship God Jesus on the bases of the Holy Scriptures. We should not bow down or kiss pictures of His mother or icons. Any one who does it , violate one of the HOLY commandments/commands of God given to Moses which reads that we should not bow down before anything or anyone except God. This Holy Commandment forbids the making and worshipping of graven images (see Exodus 20:4). Thus we have no other choice than to worship God in the Spirit and the Truth i.e. in accordance to the Holy words of God and not sinning.

    NOW ABOUT YOU, YOU ARE BETWEEN TWO FATAL CHOICES

    THE FIRST: THE DIVINE NATURE HAD NEVER SUFFERED INSTEAD OF YOU -----> SO WHAT MAKES YOU WHORSHIP THAT NATURE- God or His Divine nature suffered on the cross because He-the Divine nature- accepted all our sins.

    THE SECOND:ACCORDING TO YOUR POSTS



    Do not forget that God Ibn Allah lived in the human body and it means He SUFFERED AND FELT "EVEYTHING" like we are suffering. For example, the Bible says that He was hungryHe wept and felt compassion and was mourning.

    SO THE DIVINE NATURE SUFFERED AND FELT EVERYTHING----->SO THE DIVINE NATURE DIED

    DOES THAT MAKE SENSE DEAR SISTER- We are created in the Image of God. Look what I said to my Muslim brother Muhammad Madian today:
    Muhammad Madian said:
    Please stop playing smart , because you are far from being smart; water and glass is not at all right example for god ( the almighty who is far from our perception by our limited senses) and human body (made of flesh ,blood ,and bones), water can be put in a glass but god the almighty can not be put into a human body this is impossible it is a very clear fact for any moderately inteligent logic but if you still don`t understand , may be the next example can make it clear for your feeble twisted mind , can you imprison or capture light into a box ? you open the box in a brightly lighted room and you see the inside of the box enlighted by the light then you close the box thinking that you are keeping the light inside ? ?????by thinking that god the almighty can be present virtually inside a human body you are assuming that HE is made of the same matter that we see and feel in our materialistic earthly world . this is not true Allah our GOD the Almighty is not made of this substances .he created this substance but this does mean that HE is made of it.You want to diminute the Almighty to make him perceptible by our senses this is far from true.
    The Holy Scripture said that God is the SPIRIT. It is His nature. It is His essence. He doe not have body.the same body like we people have. But at the same time God said that He is the LIGHT. Thats why you gave very good example about light. Jesus said that He is this LIGHT. Can LIGHT be kept in the body? Injil said YES. Isa Ibn Allah dwelt in the human body. But how is it possible? Knowing that God is Spirit, lets look at Bahira. Unfortunately not all of you saw my face. However some of you did. So, Bahira has body like Ibn Allah had in the body. But Bahira should be called Bahiras. Because I am not ONE being. I am THREE (soul, body and spirit). My spirit and soul dwell in my body. Can you Muhammad see my spirit or soul? Can you see any light? No. Why? May be Muhammad you are blind or you are just body? You want to say no. Because you KNOW FOR SURE that soon your body will die and you will be judged by God. He is going to judge YOUR SOUL!
    Thus, Muhammad according to the Taurat, you were created in the Image of God. And YOU dwell in your body. The same God dwelt in the Body on earth. The name of this God is Ibn Allah. Do you want to see His nature- LIGHT?! Oh, Muhammad, wait for a while because He who is the LIGHT is the Consuming Fire too and He is going to devour you if you will not get cleansed of your sins and will not believe in His Divine nature. It is the time for you, to STUDY Injil..

    Now Muhammad I address to you and not to Muhammad Madian:
    God is immortal. His nature or essence cannt die. Only His body was killed on the cross. But He suffered instead of us on the cross in His BODY. He suffered from enormous spiritual pain caused by our sins and pain of breaking His b
    ody.



    LET ME SAY TO YOU
    IF THAT IS THE ROLE OK NO PROBLEM
    BUT REREAD THAT PARAGRAPH AGAIN
    IF MELCHIZEDEK HAD NO RECORD ABOUT HIS FATHER OR HIS MOTHER WE "MAY" SAY HE HAS NO BEGINNING OF DAYS
    ALTHOUGH IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE

    BUT HOW CAN WE SAY THAT HE HAS NO END OF LIFE
    JUST BECAUSE THERE WAS NO RECORD ABOUT HIS POSTERITY
    SUGGEST THAT HE HAD NO POSTERITY AT ALL, DOES THAT MEAN HE HAD NO END OF LIFE

    IF ANYBODY WAS MARRIED BUT HAD NO CHILDREN, DOES THAT MEAN HE HAS NO END OF LIFE

    TRUST ME, AND DON'T BE ANGRY, THIS CAN'T PERSUADE ANY PERSON USES HIS MIND, WHATEVER HIS RELIGION IS

    YOU STILL HAVE NO REASONABLE EXPLANATION TO THAT POINT

    - Melchizedek, whose name means king of righteousness, was a king of Salem and priest of the Most High God (Genesis 14:18-20; Psalm 110:4; Hebrews 5:6-11; 6:20-7:28). In Genesis you can read about Melchizedek's sudden appearance and disappearance.
    Melchizedek and our father Ibrahim/Abraham first met after Abraham's defeat of Chedorlaomer and his three allies. Melchizedek presented bread and wine to Abraham and his weary men, demonstrating friendship. He bestowed a blessing on Abraham in the name of El Elyon (God Most High) and praised God for giving Abraham a victory in battle (Genesis 14:18-20).

    Abraham presented Melchizedek with a tithe (a tenth) of all the items he had gathered. Thats why we all also give 10% of our income to God. Ibrahim indicated that he recognized Melchizedek as a fellow-worshiper of the one true God as well as a priest who ranked higher spiritually than himself. Melchizedek's existence shows that there were people among pagan nations other than Abraham and his family who served the one true God (this priest was one of them). But may be they were small in number thats why we think that God dwelt only with Ibrahim and His group of people called later as Israelites. So, Muhammad, there is no need to consider Melchizedek more than we did. Because he was a normal man and there were no other records about him which we have considered.

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    DEAR SISTER, OR "LADY" ---> SHOULD I SAY MOTHER
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    Look below what I told them about the Christian Church

    Jeremiah 3: 2-3, 5. Ezekiel 23:16, 23

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    CUOLD'T YOU FIND ANY TEXTS OTHER THAN THESE TO TELL ABOUT THE CHURCH AND TO MAKE A PRESENTATION ABOUT THE BIBLE

    PLEASE ACCEPT THAT ADVISE FROM ME
    YOU GET THE READERS EXHAUSTED DURING READING SUCH A POST
    WHEN THE READER REACHES THE END ABSOLUTELY HE FORGETS THE BEGINNING
    SO TRUST ME LONG POSTS NEVER SERVE YOUR GOAL BUT THEY COUNTERACT IT

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    The righteous man willingly suffered on the cross

    Only His body was killed on the cross
    THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I SAID
    THE HUMAN NATURE IS THE ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR SUFFERING
    THEN YOU TELL ME YOU DON'T WHORSHIP IT
    IS THAT FAIR
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    Unfortunately not all of you saw my face. However some of you did.
    HOW GREAT YOUR SELF CONFEDENCE IS
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    Because I am not ONE being. I am THREE (soul, body and spirit). My spirit and soul dwell in my body. Can you Muhammad see my
    FOR YOUR KNOWLEDGE THE SOUL IS THE SPIRIT
    THAT MAKES YOU ONLY TWO NOT THREE
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    Abraham presented Melchizedek with a tithe (a tenth) of all the items he had gathered. Thats why we all also give 10% of our income to God.
    SO YOU TREAT GOD ALMIGHTY LIKE IBRAHIM TREATED MELCHIZEDEK
    WHAT DOES THAT MEAN
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    So, Muhammad, there is no need to consider Melchizedek more than we did. Because he was a normal man
    I KNOW THAT VERY WELL
    BUT YOUR BIBLE SAYS THE OPPOSITE
    REMEMBER
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    HEBREWS(7:3)HAVING NEITHER BEGINNING OF DAYS NOR END OF LIFE
    NO OTHER EXPLANATION
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    BESIDES THE CHANGE FROM A STATE TO ANOTHER IS VERY CLEAR
    FROM JUST A WORD ------> TO AHUMAN BEING
    FROM ASPIRITUAL STATE ------> TO A PHYSICAL STATE
    CAN'Y YOU SEE IT

    SO ALWAYS REMEMBER
    ACCORDING TO MALACHI (2:6) FOR I AM THE LORD I DO NOT CHANGE

    JESUS CHANGED ------>CAN'T BE GOD
    YOU HAVE NEVER ANSWERED THIS QUESTION YET

    WAITING
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    Salam brother,
    Yes you can call me mother because as far as I remember you are younger than me.

    Soul and spirit: Human beings were intended to have a relationship with God thats why God created us with both material and immaterial parts. He created us in His Image. We are Like He is THREE and ONE i.e. tri-united.
    Lets consider Taurat and Hebrew language of the Taurat to understand what is soul and spirit. Then lets look at Quran too:
    The material is obviously that which is tangible: the physical body, bones, organs, etc., and exists as long as the person is alive. The immaterial aspects are those which are intangible: soul, spirit, intellect, will, conscience, etc. These exist beyond the physical lifespan of the individual.
    So, in Genesis 2:7 states that man was created as a living soul: And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul/being.
    The "breath of life" is special to this passage. It expresses the spiritual and principal element in man, which is not formed, but breathed by the Creator into the physical form of man. And the man became a living soul. Note: God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life. In Hebrew it is called נשמת חיים nishmath chaiyim, the breath of Life. Gods inspiration gave both spirit and the man became soul.
    So, in Taurat/the Holy Scripture we see that there are used two different words:
    The word for "soul" in the Old Testament is nephesh.
    The word for "spirit" in the Old Testament is either ruach or neshamah.
    In Islam: Ruh has several different usages in the Qur'an with a wide range of meanings. Quran says:

    15:29 "When I have fashioned him [Adam] (in due proportion) and breathed into him a Ruh from Me, fall ye down in obedience unto him."

    So, we see now that we all are souls and spirits and bodies united together and acting in unity like God.
    But what is the meaning of spirit in every man? In the Holy Scripture, only believers in God Jesus are said to be spiritually alive (1 Corinthians 2:11; Hebrews 4:12; James 2:26), while unbelievers are spiritually dead (Ephesians 2:1-5; Colossians 2:13). The spirit is like connection line/internet provider which gives us the ability to have an intimate relationship with God i.e. to connect with Him for communication. We communicate with God if we talk to Him in our prayers. If we talk to Indian cows then there is something wrong with our communication line and cow NEVER answers! So, we need to fix communication line with God. We need to be spiritually ALIVE. It happens when we repent of our sins, confess them to God in salat and believe in Ibn Allah.
    So, whenever the word spirit is used in the Holy Scripture, it refers to the immaterial part of humanity that connects with God, who Himself is spirit (John 4:24).
    About the Trinity:
    Trinityor in other words TRI-UNITY is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune Godthree coexistent, co-eternal Persons who make up God. How is it possible? Yes, it is possible because God is NOT a human being. He is the Supreme Being. Even Arab nation is one but you Muhammad is an Arab and your son will be an Arab and your father is also son of an Arab man. But the Arab nation is ONE. Because you all are united by common features and origin. There is no such word trinity in the Bible but there is the concept represented by the word Trinityin Scripture. The following is what Gods Word says about the Trinity:
    1) There is one God.
    2) The Trinity consists of three Persons . In Genesis 1:1, the Hebrew plural noun Elohim is used. In Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for us is used. The word Elohim and the pronoun us are plural forms, definitely referring in the Hebrew language to more than two. The Hebrew word for God, Elohim, definitely allows for the Trinity.
    Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus baptism. During the baptism of Jesus the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son.
    Note that each member of the Trinity is God. (The Father is God. The Son is God. The Holy Spirit is God. There is subordination within the Trinity. Scripture shows that the Son is subordinate to the Father.
    Note also that the Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works: the creation and maintenance of the universe. Yes, Muhammad, Jesus is Kalimat-Ullah and He created the universe and people according to the Holy Scripture! The Father does all these things through the Son.
    The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not parts of God; each of them is God! Look what Jesus said: (John 10:30)
    I (Jesus) and the Father are one.

    We do believe that God is ONE. He is tri-united and acting in UNITY. But why? Because God REVEALED us that on the pages of His Holy Scripture! The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not parts of God; each of them is God!
    Look I am ONE Bahira- and at the same time I am 3 (body, soul, spirit). When my body will die I will be judged. Who am I? Who will be judged? So, I am living in the body the same way as God Jesus lived in the body. He was incarnated into human body but He was and is the SPIRIT. God is the Spirit (it is His nature/essence) and NOT human being.
    We are created in Gods image. So, God Son, Father and Ruh Al Qudus are THREE and UNITED. They are acting in unity and their ESSENCE or nature is the same- GOD. So, thats why we believe in ONE God. The same way as Arab father is an Arab, his son is an Arab and wife is an Arab. But the Arab nation is ONE!!! Water could also be in different forms (steam, ice, snow) but its nature is WATER.
    Do you remember that Isa is also Kalimat-Ullah? He is the Word of God and He is God (the Scripture says). But even my words are the same as my mind. My words are product or byproduct of my mind. By my words I could be justified and condemned in the court. Why? Because my words are ME. The same way God Jesus according to Quran and the Bible was called Kalimat-ullah or the Word of God. It means He is the EXACT representation of God Father. He is Father the same way like my words are me even if they would be written or recorded with a tape recorder. Properties are the same because I am ACTING in unity with my body parts and even with words..the same way God is Acting in UNITY and this UNITY was called by Him as Oneness/Tawhid. He said: God is ONE.
    About the Holy Scripture:
    Who wrote the GOSPELS? Sura 42:51-52 states clearly that Allah may not speak to men except by inspiration. In the context of the Scriptures, the word inspiration simply means God-breathed. In 2 Timothy 3:16 we read,
    All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
    This verse tells us that God inspired all Scripture and that it is profitable to us.
    The Holy Bible says that all words in the Bible are written by people inspired by the God. And He has not spoken in only one, but in a variety of ways:
    1. Creation, nature.
    2. Actions, in amazing miracles and the different ways God has intervened directly in human affairs.
    3. Prophets, by the words given to them.
    4. Jesus, the perfect Word of God/Kalimat-Ullah, showed us who God is. In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. (Hebrews 1:1-2)
    The 4 Gospels are the ahaadith a-sahiiha (the correct traditions) on the life of Jesus. In the law courts at least two witnesses were needed to prove a truth. We have the three Gospels on the life of Jesus (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) which testify to Jesus life and sayings. The are accounts of eyes witnesses of the life of God Jesus.
    We have today in our possession 5,300 known Greek manuscripts of the New Testament, another 10,000 Latin Vulgates, and 9,300 other early versions, giving us more than 24,000 manuscript copies of portions of the New Testament in existence today and kept in the museums!
    The first human author to write down the biblical records was Moses. He was commanded by God to take on this task, for Exodus 34:27 records Gods words to Moses, Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.And what language did he use? He wrote in his native language, called Hebrew! It was the language of Israel and our fathers.

    Please ponder Muhammad:

    "If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will give life to your mortal bodies also through his Spirit which dwells in you." Romans 8:11

    Thats why soon even our bodies will be resurrected by the same power of the God/the Holy Spirit/ Ibn Allah. Why? To live eternally in the New World called the Kingdom of Heaven created by God Jesus for the SMALL REMNANT!

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    DAER SISTER

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    Yes you can call me mother because as far as I remember you are younger than me.
    BELIEVE ME I WAS JUST KIDDING SO DON'T NBE ANGRY
    IF YOU NOTICE, I ALWAYS TRY TO BEGIN MY REPLYS WITH SOMETHING FUNNY

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    Soul and spirit
    I GOT THE POINT
    LET ME SUMMERIZE IT
    THE SOUL: THE ELEMENT OF LIFE
    THE SPIRIT: THE CONNECTION WITH GOD

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    The immaterial aspects are those which are intangible: SOUL, SPIRIT, INTELLECT, WILL, CONSCIENCE, etc. These exist beyond the physical lifespan of the individual.
    SO WHY DID YOU CHOOSE ONLY SOUL AND SPIRIT TO BE WITH THE BODY TO PROVE YOU ARE THREE
    YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THE OTHER CHARACTERS YOU MENTIONED ABOVE, THIS WILL LEAD YOU TO THAT YOU ARE MORE THAN THREE

    THE RIGHT CLASSIFICATION IS THAT: THE MAN CONSISTS OF "TWO" COMPONENTS: SOUL AND BODY
    SPIRIT IS AS WELL AS WILL, CONSCIENCE AND INTELLECT ARE CHARACTERS OF THE MAN NOT COMPONENTS FOR THE MAN CAN LIVE WITHOUT SPIRIT, WILL, INTELLECT OR CONSCINCE BUT BNEVER WITHOUT SOUL OR BODY

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    The righteous man willingly suffered on the cross

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Only His body was killed on the cross





    THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I SAID
    THE HUMAN NATURE IS THE ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR SUFFERING
    THEN YOU TELL ME YOU DON'T WHORSHIP IT
    IS THAT FAIRAbraham presented Melchizedek with a tithe (a tenth) of all the items he had gathered. Thats why we all also give 10% of our income to God.





    SO YOU TREAT GOD ALMIGHTY LIKE IBRAHIM TREATED MELCHIZEDEK
    WHAT DOES THAT MEAN





    So, Muhammad, there is no need to consider Melchizedek more than we did. Because he was a normal man





    I KNOW THAT VERY WELL
    BUT YOUR BIBLE SAYS THE OPPOSITE
    REMEMBER





    HEBREWS(7:3)HAVING NEITHER BEGINNING OF DAYS NOR END OF LIFE





    NO OTHER EXPLANATION





    BESIDES THE CHANGE FROM A STATE TO ANOTHER IS VERY CLEAR
    FROM JUST A WORD ------> TO AHUMAN BEING
    FROM ASPIRITUAL STATE ------> TO A PHYSICAL STATE
    CAN'Y YOU SEE IT

    SO ALWAYS REMEMBER


    ACCORDING TO MALACHI (2:6) FOR I AM THE LORD I DO NOT CHANGE

    JESUS CHANGED ------>CAN'T BE GOD





    YOU HAVE NEVER ANSWERED THIS QUESTION YET
    YOU NEVER ANSWERED THESE QUESTIONS
    DOES THAT MEAN YOU HAVE NO REASONABLE ANSWERS

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    About the Trinity
    About the Holy Scripture
    WE CAN DISCUSS THESE SUBJECTS AFTER FINISHING THE OTHER POINTS

    WAITING

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    SO WHY DID YOU CHOOSE ONLY SOUL AND SPIRIT TO BE WITH THE BODY TO PROVE YOU ARE THREE
    YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THE OTHER CHARACTERS YOU MENTIONED ABOVE, THIS WILL LEAD YOU TO THAT YOU ARE MORE THAN THREE- Why did I give you this example because God created us to be THREE in ONE. We are united. But some of us are spiritually dead and they need to be resurrected. God is able to give you this birth. Jesus said that we will NEVER enter into the Kingdom of Heaven if we will not be BORN of God/BORN FROM the above/ BORN AGAIN. It means through FAITH in Him and repentance He is giving the BIRTH to our spirit and we will have connection with Him. In this moment His Spirit enters our hearts and He literally dwells in us. We are His Temple. However you are right that there are many other examples to see that it is possible to be ONE and three at the same time. If you want I will remind you about another explanation.

    THE RIGHT CLASSIFICATION IS THAT: THE MAN CONSISTS OF "TWO" COMPONENTS: SOUL AND BODY
    SPIRIT IS AS WELL AS WILL, CONSCIENCE AND INTELLECT ARE CHARACTERS OF THE MAN NOT COMPONENTS FOR THE MAN CAN LIVE WITHOUT SPIRIT, WILL, INTELLECT OR CONSCINCE BUT NEVER WITHOUT SOUL OR BODY- Egyptian, you are not a fool! Praise the Lord!

    YOU NEVER ANSWERED THESE QUESTIONS
    DOES THAT MEAN YOU HAVE NO REASONABLE ANSWERS- Muhammad you answered to these questions by quoting my and your world here:
    So, Muhammad, there is no need to consider Melchizedek more than we did. Because he was a normal man
    I KNOW THAT VERY WELL
    BUT YOUR BIBLE SAYS THE OPPOSITE
    REMEMBER
    But let me remind you my answer again: So, Muhammad, there is no need to consider Melchizedek more than we did. Because he was a normal man and there were no other records about him except those which we have considered.


    But let me tell you about origin of Arabs and Palestinians:
    My Christian sister Elle asked me the other day:
    I wonder if Hamaz understands the difference between the Jews of Israel and the Arab Jews of Palastine, outside of political differences?

    Am I missing the mark to understand that the Bible teaches that Palastine once called Philistine, was Canaan the Promise Land, which is Israel the land God promised to the Jews? Or do I have this all wrong?...

    Brothers, first let me remind you about our patriarch- Ibrahim/Abraham. He was born in the city of Ur of the Chaldeans (present day Iraq). He traveled 500 miles to Haran (now southeast Turkey) with his family and stayed there until his father's death. God told Abram to leave his native land and his fathers house for a land that God would show him, promising to make of him a great nation, bless him, make his name great, bless those who blessed him, and curse those who cursed him. (Genesis 12:13) So, when God called Abraham, he moved 400 miles south to the land of Canaan and lived there most of the rest of his days. (Genesis 12:46) Abraham settled between Kadesh and Shur in the land of the Philistines.
    God appeared to Abram to tell him that God would give the land to his heirs, and Abram built an altar to God (Genesis 12:7). It was the promises of God given to Abraham. But do not forget also that originally name of Ibrahim was Abram, or "exalted father". But God changed his name to Abraham/Ibrahim as a symbol of the covenant promise to multiply his descendants into a great nation that God would call His OWN.
    Brothers, NOTE: that this land where Abraham lived with his family was promised to him by God as everlasting possession! It means that his sons should posses it. Who are his sons? One of the sons of Abraham was Ishmael (born by Egyptian handmaid Hagar). Later he became later father of the Arab nation and another son was called Isaac.
    Sarah was jealous woman and she declared that Ishmael would not share in Isaac's inheritance. Abraham was greatly distressed by his wife's words and sought the advice of his God. The Lord told Abraham not to be distressed but to do as his wife recommended i.e. to be separated with Hagar. And Hagar lived with her son Ishmael separately from Jews. And God said to Abraham, Do not let it be displeasing in your sight because of the lad or because of your bondwoman. Whatever Sarah has said to you, listen to her voice; for in Isaac your seed shall be called. Yet I will also make a nation of the son of the bondwoman, because he is your seed.
    Thus Arabs, here is your origin! God made a nation from Hagar and her son Ishmael. Moreover God called this nation a GREAT NATION. The same way God blessed Isaac and made a GREAT NATION from him too.
    Note brothers, that the land Canaan existed already Abraham lived there! Moreover he settled in Canaan between Kadesh and Shur in the land of the Philistines!
    After roaming the wilderness for some time, Ishmael and his mother Hagar settled in the Desert of Paran, where he became an expert in archery. Ishmael had twelve sons who became twelve tribal chiefs throughout the regions from Havilah to Shur (from Assyria to the border of Egypt). His children (as it was said by God should become 12 kings) are listed as follows:
    1. Nebaioth
    2. Kedar, father of the Qedarites, (A northern Arab tribe that controlled the region between the Persian Gulf and the Sinai Peninsula). According to tradition, ancestor of Muhammad and the Quraysh tribe.
    3. Adbeel, established a tribe in northwest Arabia.
    4. Mibsam
    5. Mishma
    6. Dumah, associated with Adummatu described as "a fortress of Arabia" in Saudi Arabia.
    7. Massa, father of a nomadic tribe that inhabited the Arabian desert toward Babylonia.
    8. Hadad
    9. Tema
    10. Jetur
    11. Naphish
    12. Kedemah
    13. Mahalath or Bashemath.
    What happens with Ishmael and his Jewish brother Isaac? He met with Isaac at the burial of Abraham. Ishmael died at the age of 137.
    Who did live in the land of Philistines? The Philistines were a people, apparently of Aegean or Cypriot origins, who occupied the southern coast of Canaan at the beginning of the Iron Age (c. 1175 BCE). According to the Holy Scripture, they ruled the five city-states of Gaza, Askelon, Ashdod, Ekron and Gath, from the Wadi Gaza in the south to the Yarqon River in the north, but with no fixed border to the east. The Holy Scripture paints them as Israel's most dangerous enemy prior to the unification of Israel. Note also brothers, that Philistine culture was almost fully integrated with that of Canaan and the Canaanites. The Philistine culture deities they worshipped were Baal, Astarte and Dagon, whose names or variations thereof appear in the Canaanite pantheon as well.
    But were the Philistines Arabs?
    No. Arabs are Jews because their father was Abraham/Ishmael.
    But the Philistines were mixed with Arabs (descendants of Ishmael later). Jews were forbidden by God to marry wives of other nations. Thats why Jews kept their identity. But Arabs lived separated from God of Israel. Thats why they were mixed with the Philistines and get affected by the new-founded teaching called Islam. Living without God you can be easily deceived by false prophets and false revelations of angels.
    What is this land Canaan to be inherited by Jews/Israelites?
    Canaan (meaning the area covering roughly modern Israel, the Palestinian territories, and southern Lebanon) and the western parts of Jordan. In the Late Bronze Age was a collection of city-states under the authority of the Egyptians. The southern highlands of the region were later named Judea after the kingdom of Judah, while the coastal region came to be known as Palestina, from the name of the Philistines. That name was extended to a larger area in the 2nd century. So, the Land of Canaan became the Promised Land and was occupied by Israelites/descendants of Abraham according to the words of God and His commands.
    May be it will be interesting for you to read more about the following list of battles recorded in the Bible between Israel and the Philistines:
    The Battle of Shephelah
    Israel defeated at the Battle of Aphek, Philistines capture the Ark of the Covenant (1 Samuel 4:1-10)
    Philistines defeated at the Battle of Eben-Ezer (1 Samuel 7:3-14)
    misery Skirmish at Michmash, Philistines routed by Jonathan and his men (1 Samuel 14)
    Near the Valley of Elah, David defeats Goliath in single combat (1 Samuel 17)
    Look again what God of Israel said giving Israel the land of Canaan as their everlasting and cherished possession:
    "The whole land of Canaan, where you are now an alien, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God." Genesis 17:8
    "So I have come down to rescue them from the hand of the Egyptians and to bring them up out of that land into a good and spacious land, a land flowing with milk and honey the home of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites And I have promised to bring you up out of your in Egypt into the land of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites a land flowing with milk and honey." Exodus 3:8, 17
    So, brothers, the Land of Canaan as a geographical name, and Israel the spiritual name of the land: This is the Promised Land which faces the entrance of the spiritual world. Because God Himself who is the Spirit dwelt among His people in Israel. The existence of this HOLY God lies beyond the physical world known to us through our senses but we are able to KNOW Him by reading His HOLY WORDS captured in the pages of his Holy Scripture which we study. This Land Israel has a unique status with regard to the prophecies of God and His promises to RETURN to His Land and PUT HIS FEET there on Zion.
    Summary: During the Byzantine period, almost the entire region of the Promised Land occupied by Israelites (Syria Palestine, Samaria, and the Galilee) was named Palaestina. The use of the name "Palestine" in English became more common after the European renaissance. But there is no matter what was the name of the Promised Land Israel or Palestine we know that this LAND was given by God to descendants of Abraham ISRAELITES. However, you Arabs are also descendants of our father Abraham. And you can reign with your brothers Jews there in peace and love. Just remember the God of Israel who is going to come back to Israel and put His feet there. God explains how He is going to defeat His enemies and reign in His Israel/Palestine/The Promised Land where He is going to return SOON during the coming war of the Muslim states against Gods people called Israel:



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    Zechariah 14 (New King James Version)

    Zechariah 14
    The Day of the LORD
    1 Behold, the day of the LORD is coming,
    And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
    2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
    The city shall be taken,
    The houses rifled,
    And the women ravished.
    Half of the city shall go into captivity,
    But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
    3 Then the LORD will go forth
    And fight against those nations,
    As He fights in the day of battle.
    4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
    Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
    And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
    From east to west,
    Making a very large valley;
    Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
    And half of it toward the south.
    5 Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,
    For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
    Yes, you shall flee
    As you fled from the earthquake
    In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.

    Thus the LORD my God will come,
    And all the saints with You.[a]
    6 It shall come to pass in that day
    That there will be no light;
    The lights will diminish.
    7 It shall be one day
    Which is known to the LORD
    Neither day nor night.
    But at evening time it shall happen
    That it will be light.
    8 And in that day it shall be
    That living waters shall flow from Jerusalem,
    Half of them toward the eastern sea
    And half of them toward the western sea;
    In both summer and winter it shall occur.
    9 And the LORD shall be King over all the earth.
    In that day it shall be

    The LORD is one,[b]
    And His name one.

    10 All the land shall be turned into a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem. Jerusalem[c] shall be raised up and inhabited in her place from Benjamins Gate to the place of the First Gate and the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the kings winepresses.
    11 The people shall dwell in it;
    And no longer shall there be utter destruction,
    But Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

    12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem:

    Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet,
    Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets,
    And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.
    13 It shall come to pass in that day
    That a great panic from the LORD will be among them.
    Everyone will seize the hand of his neighbor,
    And raise his hand against his neighbors hand;
    14 Judah also will fight at Jerusalem.
    And the wealth of all the surrounding nations
    Shall be gathered together:
    Gold, silver, and apparel in great abundance.
    15 Such also shall be the plague
    On the horse and the mule,
    On the camel and the donkey,
    And on all the cattle that will be in those camps.
    So shall this plague be.
    The Nations Worship the King

    16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the LORD strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
    20 In that day HOLINESS TO THE LORD shall be engraved on the bells of the horses. The pots in the LORDs house shall be like the bowls before the altar. 21 Yes, every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holiness to the LORD of hosts.[d] Everyone who sacrifices shall come and take them and cook in them. In that day there shall no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

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TO EVERY CHRISTIAN:WHY JESUS BUT NOT...-10

TO EVERY CHRISTIAN:WHY JESUS BUT NOT...-10